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Puck
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| Quote: | Bush to Visit Canadian Prime Minister
Tuesday, November 30, 2004
WASHINGTON � President Bush's (search) trip North of the border will be akin to a polite dance where he'll try to avoid missteps that could create more anti-Americanism in Canada. For his part, Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin (search) will want to avoid looking as if he's bending to U.S. will on trade and security issues.
After years of bickering, Bush is hoping to patch up relations with Ottawa when he arrives Tuesday on the first state visit to Canada by a U.S. president in nearly 10 years. Relations between the two nations got off to a rocky start when Bush chose Mexico (search) instead of Canada as the first country he'd visit. Trade disputes � a key topic of discussion � and the war in Iraq further soured the friendship.
Martin, Canada's former finance minister and a wealthy shipping magnate, however, has repeatedly expressed a desire to rebuild U.S.-Canada relations, which cooled under his predecessor, Jean Chretien. The dialogue became even more strained when Chretien decided against sending troops to Iraq � a decision supported by more than 80 percent of Canadians.
"Under Chretien, relations were terrible," John Hulsman, research fellow in foreign policy at Heritage Foundation, said of the former prime minister whose aide called Bush a "moron" in November 2002. "It got so bad that in the Parliament one time they forgot to turn the mikes off and someone was calling Bush a bastard."
That comment by legislator Carolyn Parrish didn't hurt her political career any, Hulsman said.
Bush will not make a customary speech at the House of Commons in Ottawa where the sometimes raucous Parliament has been known to heckle speakers. Bush's unpopularity is expected to be protested by demonstrators upset about trade issues and Iraq.
Martin, who replaced Chretien in 2003, has always been seen as more pro-American.
"If you're the finance minister, whether you like it or not, you're next to the economic dynamo of the world, so you're going to engage that power whether you like them or not," Hulsman said. "I think you're going to see a much more businesslike relationship from Martin just because of what he's been doing for most of his adult life � and very successfully."
The two-day visit is focused on creating goodwill, but thorny economic issues will arise at the meeting between the leaders whose nations have the world's largest trading partnership. The United States and Canada do more than $1 billion in business a day; 85 percent of Canada's exports go to the United States.
Bush and Martin also are expected to talk about security on the U.S.-Canada border, Canada's involvement in the U.S. continental missile defense program, the war on terrorism, efforts to expand democracy to other corners of the world and the situation in Iraq.
Canada stood with France and Germany in deciding not to send troops to Iraq, but pledged $300 million for reconstruction and is helping train Iraqi police officers in Jordan. Martin is expected to offer to send Canadian observers to help oversee January elections in Iraq.
On trade issues, the two nations are fighting over a tariff the United States has placed on imports of pine, spruce and other easy-to-saw softwood lumber logged in Canada. On average, the United States adds an extra 27 cents to every $1 worth of softwood lumber imported from four Canadian provinces.
U.S. officials accuse Canada of subsidizing the lumber business, saying it does not charge companies large enough to log on public lands. Canada is challenging the tariff through international trade organizations. The World Trade Organization has sided with Canada in a series of preliminary rulings, but the dispute is far from over.
Also, Canadian ranchers are upset about the U.S. ban on live Canadian cattle that was imposed after a lone case of mad cow disease was discovered in Alberta in May 2003. The United States is Canada's biggest beef customer, and the American ban has cost the Canadian cattle industry billions of dollars.
The United States and Canada are working jointly on environmental issues as well as health and safety standards and regulations that won't slow down trade and economic exchange, according to a senior administration official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.
On Wednesday, Bush will travel to Halifax, Nova Scotia, to give a speech, thanking Halifax and other maritime provinces that received tens of thousands of Americans stranded after the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. More than 200 jetliners heading for the United States were diverted to Canada after the terrorist attacks in New York and Washington. About 7,000 people on 44 planes went to Halifax.
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Defiant
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| Tue Nov 30, 2004 1:03 pm |
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And its utterly amazing how few americans actually know the name of the canadian prime minister. I didnt until this post. Ill admit it.
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Alucard
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| Tue Nov 30, 2004 5:49 pm |
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I wanted to go to the speech in Halifax, but I live an hour and a half away and i can't skip school, my friend is going, he's going to try and throw a pretzel at him, you all know about the pretzel incident right?
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Hitchhiker
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| Tue Nov 30, 2004 6:24 pm |
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| mad_d0ggie wrote: | | you all know about the pretzel incident right? |
I don't . . .
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Republican_Man
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| Tue Nov 30, 2004 6:56 pm |
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| Defiant wrote: | | And its utterly amazing how few americans actually know the name of the canadian prime minister. I didnt until this post. Ill admit it. |
Same here.
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Tue Nov 30, 2004 7:45 pm |
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| Hitchhiker wrote: | | mad_d0ggie wrote: | | you all know about the pretzel incident right? |
I don't . . . |
Bush accidentally choked on a pretzel while watching a sports game, 
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Republican_Man
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| Tue Nov 30, 2004 7:51 pm |
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| IntrepidIsMe wrote: | | Hitchhiker wrote: | | mad_d0ggie wrote: | | you all know about the pretzel incident right? |
I don't . . . |
Bush accidentally choked on a pretzel while watching a sports game, |
No, it wasn't a sports game, right? I think I saw footage of it happening at a dinner...
Either way, it's nothing to make fun of.
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Tue Nov 30, 2004 8:16 pm |
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Well, it may have been at dinner.... Anyways, he choked on it, but is still alive (clearly). How embarassing, 
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Valathous
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| Tue Nov 30, 2004 8:16 pm |
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The two things I hoped Martin would talk to Bush about are named in this article! The tariff on our softwood lumber when we are supposed to have free trade, and the beef ban because of one mad cow (which I heard was originally from the US until the Alberta farmer bought it.... that's just a rumour though, so don't quote me on it). Either way, there hasnt been a case of mad cow since, and it was only the one.
I find it weird though, you wont buy our beef but ours is quite good, considering all beef has to be grade 'A' or it is deemed "Unfit for human consumption" in Canada by our health department. Apparently you can buy grade 'C' in America? (Will an American give me the definate answer on that one?) I know the grocery store I work at will only sell 'AA' meat.
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Alucard
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| Tue Nov 30, 2004 9:07 pm |
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On the Mad Cow thing, he was just being overtly cautious. But the tradewar confuses me.
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Republican_Man
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| Tue Nov 30, 2004 10:34 pm |
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On the mad cow, where do you think the mad cows in the US came from? CANADA.
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Valathous
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| Tue Nov 30, 2004 10:41 pm |
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Uh no. You see. Yes we had the one cow.... But that one cow was one we bought from AMERICA.
One case in 2002 and you guys think it's a god damn epidemic.
Now please prove to me that all mad cow cases in the US came from "CANADA." There has only be 1 case in CANADA! how many cases have you had in AMERICA?
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Puck
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| Tue Nov 30, 2004 10:42 pm |
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Sooooo. That was a long time ago. I see no reason why we should still ban Canadian beef. Their government tests it vigorously as well as ours. I think we should open it back up. To my knowledge there have not been any other cases of this.
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Btw, I could see a temporary ban at the time of this incident to make sure it was not wide spread, but I think plenty of time has proven it is not.
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Republican_Man
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| Tue Nov 30, 2004 10:43 pm |
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| Valathous wrote: | Uh no. You see. Yes we had the one cow.... But that one cow was one we bought from AMERICA.
One case in 2002 and you guys think it's a god damn epidemic.
Now please prove to me that all mad cow cases in the US came from "CANADA." There has only be 1 case in CANADA! how many cases have you had in AMERICA? |
Not true. I know for a FACT that it came from Canada, and was NOT native to the US.
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Valathous
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| Tue Nov 30, 2004 10:44 pm |
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Please prove it. From what I've heard, the Canadian farmer bought it from the US. Find me something that states otherwise.
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Republican_Man
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| Tue Nov 30, 2004 11:01 pm |
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A Timeline: You are somewhat right, and I am right.
| The Associated Press wrote: | Timeline for Mad Cow Disease
Friday, November 19, 2004
WASHINGTON � Major events related to mad cow disease, or bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE):
--May 20, 2003: Scientists announce discovery of lone case of mad cow disease in Canada. U.S. health officials ban imports of cattle, beef, beef-based products and animal feed from Canada.
--Aug. 9: The United States announces it will resume imports of some Canadian boneless meat products and game animals by month's end.
--Sept. 11: Truckloads of Canadian beef cross U.S. border for first time since May.
--September: Cattle prices soar to highest levels in at least a decade, a result of drought, growing demand and Canada's case of mad cow disease.
--Dec. 23: Agriculture Secretary Ann Veneman announces first suspected appearance of mad cow disease in the United States. Japan and South Korea halt U.S. beef imports. Some 50 countries eventually follow, including Australia, Mexico and other Asian countries. Canada follows with a limited ban.
--Jan. 6, 2004: DNA tests confirm that cow diagnosed with first U.S. case of mad cow was born in Canada, U.S. officials say.
--Feb. 4: International panel convened by Veneman calls for more restrictions on cattle feed, saying there are probably undiscovered mad cow cases. The next day, Veneman says there still is no cause for alarm.
--Feb. 14: FDA panel recommends U.S. government step up testing for mad cow disease to evaluate any risk to American consumers.
--Feb. 19: Agriculture Department economist says U.S. beef bans imposed by more than 50 nations will push U.S. retail prices down 10 percent to 15 percent in the second half of the year.
March 3: USDA inspector general says government has begun a criminal investigation into whether records may have been falsified in the U.S. case of mad cow disease. Mexico partially lifts its ban on U.S. beef imports.
--March 15: Officials say USDA will expand its testing for mad cow disease to more than 221,000 animals over the next year to 18 months, 10 times the number tested in 2003.
--March 26: United States formally notifies trading partners that U.S. beef is safe to eat.
--June 1: USDA begins expanded national testing for mad cow disease.
--June 25: Agriculture officials say two animals in the United States tested inconclusive in a preliminary screening test for mad cow disease.
--June 30: Officials say follow-up tests showed no sign of mad cow disease in the animals.
--July 9: Government tells cosmetics makers they can no longer use brain and spinal cord tissue from older cattle in lipstick, hair sprays and other products.
--Oct. 23: U.S. and Japanese negotiators agree to ease a 10-month-old ban on U.S. beef exports to Japan. Agreement would allow resumption of Japanese beef exports to the United States.
--Oct. 26: Pending a final round of inspections, Taiwan agrees to resume U.S. beef imports.
--Nov. 18: Agriculture officials say they may have found a second case of mad cow disease in the United States. |
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,139078,00.html
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Valathous
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| Tue Nov 30, 2004 11:06 pm |
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Alright.
That still didn't prove on whether or not the Canadian cow came from the US and bought by Canada or born in Canada.
Only one of your cases was said to come from Canada though. Not all of them.
I appreciate you looking it up though.
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Republican_Man
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| Tue Nov 30, 2004 11:07 pm |
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| Valathous wrote: | Alright.
That still didn't prove on whether or not the Canadian cow came from the US and bought by Canada or born in Canada.
Only one of your cases was said to come from Canada though. Not all of them.
I appreciate you looking it up though. |
I didn't know about the 2nd one, but the first is what I was talking about.
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Puck
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| Tue Nov 30, 2004 11:18 pm |
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| Quote: | | -Nov. 18: Agriculture officials say they may have found a second case of mad cow disease in the United States. |
That was not mad-cow luckily. Although they had suspected it, it was later shown that it indeed was not a new case.
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Republican_Man
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| Tue Nov 30, 2004 11:19 pm |
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | Quote: | | -Nov. 18: Agriculture officials say they may have found a second case of mad cow disease in the United States. |
That was not mad-cow luckily. Although they had suspected it, it was later shown that it indeed was not a new case. |
Yeah, no wonder. Good. That was outdated, so yeah.
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Jeremy
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| Fri Dec 03, 2004 4:29 pm |
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People still don't like to get british beef because of the cases we had years and years ago. The precautions that we have now are way to oversafe and the farms suffer for it, yet people generally don't want to have it (in other countries anyway).
I think it was about the summertime that Bush tried to start a tradewar with britian. We stopped it though. I remember it was something to do with steel.
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