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sabertooth1217 UPN Boycotter
Joined: 21 Jun 2003 Posts: 11484 Location: Texas
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Tue Nov 16, 2004 5:58 pm Episode: "Enterprise - The Forge" |
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Production: 083
Season: 4 Episode: 7
Original Air Date: 11.19.2004
Upcoming Air Date: 11.19.2004
Earth's embassy on Vulcan is bombed, and the ensuing investigation puts Archer and T'Pol on the trail of a Vulcan religious faction hiding in a treacherous desert.
Synopsis
Quote: | The Earth embassy on Vulcan is bombed, killing 31 humans and 12 Vulcans. Enterprise is called to the planet to help investigate, but the Vulcan High Command already suspects a dissident religious faction known as "Syrrannites." T'Pol learns from her husband Koss that her mother T'Les has been forced into hiding to avoid arrest � because she is a Syrrannite. Koss also brings her a mysterious heirloom containing a map. Believing this is a message from T'Les, T'Pol and Archer set out to follow that map across a treacherous desert, without the High Command's knowledge. |
Cast:
Scott Bakula as Jonathan Archer
John Billingsley as Dr. Phlox
Jolene Blalock as T'Pol
Dominic Keating as Malcolm Reed
Anthony Montgomery as Travis Mayweather
Linda Park as Hoshi Sato
Connor Trinneer as Charles "Trip" Tucker III
Guest Cast:
Robert Foxworth as V'Las
Vaughn Armstrong as Admiral Forrest
Gary Graham as Soval
Michael Reilly Burke as Koss
Michael Nouri as Arev
Larc Spies as Stel
Creative Staff:
Director: Michael Grossman
Written By: Judith Reeves-Stevens & Garfield Reeves-Stevens
http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/ENT/episode/6775.html
*I'll be sure to write a review on this one, sorry I didn't get time to make one last friday!
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Curtis Fleet Admiral
Joined: 29 Sep 2001 Posts: 14903 Location: Wisconsin
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Sat Nov 20, 2004 1:53 pm |
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This episode was awesome. I really liked the effect of the sand fire on Vulcan in the desert. If I were to rate this on chakotay99's scale...I'd say it was a 8.5
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sabertooth1217 UPN Boycotter
Joined: 21 Jun 2003 Posts: 11484 Location: Texas
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Sat Nov 20, 2004 2:47 pm |
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*I was in and out of the room during this episode so some of this review may be a little *different* than what went on during the plot line.
The Forge was a good episode. I really liked the plot line but there was one thing I really didn�t like about it. So far in Season four of Enterprise there has been a two part episode (Storm From) and a 3 part episode Saga and one episode that didn�t require more than one hour to tell the story. I think that ENT�s crew (Not Archer but the behind the scene crew) is over using the two part episodes. There really should be about 3 or 4 episodes in between two part eps.
Having Archer and T�Pol go down to Vulcan, out of com range and transporter was awesome. It showed what Archer�s character is towards his First Officer (Simple said, It shows that he cared for T�Pol). Having them meet the other Vulcan was a little strange (and how Archer Knew where to go after the Vulcan died).
Very little Hoshi or Travis this episode again, I really wish they would use those characters more than what they do. They have some of the best backgrounds which are just going down the drain to waste.\
7.9
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Morphy Forum Ogre
Joined: 15 Jun 2001 Posts: 3858
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Sun Nov 21, 2004 6:45 pm |
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This episode is a great start to a potentially great story arch. Going into what could be a philosophical revolution that will change Vulcan society is an awesome idea. Ent goes beyond the previous series by exploring and explaining "peripheral" Star Trek races.
"Infinite diversity in infinite possibilities"
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Five - seveN Rear Admiral
Joined: 13 Jun 2004 Posts: 3567 Location: Shadow Moon
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Mon Nov 22, 2004 10:15 am |
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"Infinite diversity in infinite combination'' is what I've seen,
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jimgolian booboo
Joined: 20 Jun 2001 Posts: 85 Location: Kansas
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Mon Nov 22, 2004 10:46 am |
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This was a good episode...I wonder when the Romulans some in?
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Curtis Fleet Admiral
Joined: 29 Sep 2001 Posts: 14903 Location: Wisconsin
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Mon Nov 22, 2004 3:01 pm |
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Morphy wrote: | This episode is a great start to a potentially great story arch. Going into what could be a philosophical revolution that will change Vulcan society is an awesome idea. Ent goes beyond the previous series by exploring and explaining "peripheral" Star Trek races.
"Infinite diversity in infinite possibilities" |
I agree. This arch proves to be the best thing that has happened for Enterprise, as was the Brent Spiner arch. I still don't know why they have to keep putting them in three parts though .
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Founder Dominion Leader
Joined: 21 Jun 2004 Posts: 12755 Location: Gamma Quadrant
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Mon Nov 22, 2004 4:22 pm |
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I was disgusted with the little I saw. Not one Vulcan acts like a Vulcan on that show.
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Defiant Fleet Admiral
Joined: 04 Jul 2001 Posts: 15946 Location: Oregon City, OR
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Tue Nov 23, 2004 12:29 pm |
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One of the best vulcan episodes yet, truly good.
Although a shame we wont see Vaughn Armstrong as Admiral Forrest anymore. He was cool.
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Curtis Fleet Admiral
Joined: 29 Sep 2001 Posts: 14903 Location: Wisconsin
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Tue Nov 23, 2004 2:40 pm |
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Yeah *misses Forrest already*. He was such a great guy
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Defiant Fleet Admiral
Joined: 04 Jul 2001 Posts: 15946 Location: Oregon City, OR
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Tue Nov 23, 2004 4:17 pm |
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He was cool. A familiar face back at home, so now theyll have to pick someone else to follow the vulcan ambassador around a bunch. Come to think of it, they have to replace Saval too! He got fired.
Uhh...rating? An 8.
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John Connor Admiral of the Terran Empire
Joined: 07 Sep 2002 Posts: 15657 Location: I.S.S Emperor
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Tue Nov 23, 2004 6:40 pm |
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I liked this eposide and kinda sucked that Admiral Forest died after saving the vulcan ambasstor. I really cant think of his name at the moment.
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Curtis Fleet Admiral
Joined: 29 Sep 2001 Posts: 14903 Location: Wisconsin
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Tue Nov 23, 2004 8:37 pm |
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Defiant wrote: | He was cool. A familiar face back at home, so now theyll have to pick someone else to follow the vulcan ambassador around a bunch. Come to think of it, they have to replace Saval too! He got fired.
Uhh...rating? An 8. |
Indeed, Archer should be admiral and T'Pol ambassador lol. A thought to consume
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Curtis Fleet Admiral
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Thu Nov 25, 2004 8:07 am |
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This was such a great episode in my view, other than the bad things like Admiral Forrest's death and such, that I can't wait until Friday for the other part of it .
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Morphy Forum Ogre
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Thu Nov 25, 2004 5:52 pm |
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Five - seveN wrote: | "Infinite diversity in infinite combination'' is what I've seen, |
BAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
I'm embarrassed to say I have no clue how I quoted that wrong. Must have been late at night.
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Morphy Forum Ogre
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Thu Nov 25, 2004 5:55 pm |
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The admiral's death may not be in vain. It seems that the ambassador may be poised to be the main opposition to the High Command.
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Morphy Forum Ogre
Joined: 15 Jun 2001 Posts: 3858
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Thu Nov 25, 2004 6:02 pm |
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HAha
After watching one of the scenes again, there's this funny dialouge:
<T'Pol helps Archer off the ground>
Archer: "He said something in Vulcan... 'Bucow'(spelling?)."
T'Pol: "Remember. Remember what?"
Archer: "I think he punched me."
HAHAHA... Mind meld = punch in face. HAHAH
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Curtis Fleet Admiral
Joined: 29 Sep 2001 Posts: 14903 Location: Wisconsin
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Thu Nov 25, 2004 6:18 pm |
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Haha That is funny
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memyselfandI Commodore
Joined: 25 Nov 2004 Posts: 1948 Location: Michigan
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Fri Nov 26, 2004 12:18 am |
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I looooooooooved this episode. Of course that's not saying much, considering I loved pretty much every Enterprise episode except Hatchery, but this season just keeps getting better and better!!! Hopefully this can explain some of the problems that the "Anti-Enterprise" people had with the way the Vulcans were portrayed in the earlier seasons.
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Founder Dominion Leader
Joined: 21 Jun 2004 Posts: 12755 Location: Gamma Quadrant
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Fri Nov 26, 2004 12:29 am |
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memyselfandI wrote: | Hopefully this can explain some of the problems that the "Anti-Enterprise" people had with the way the Vulcans were portrayed in the earlier seasons. |
Nope. It just hurt it more. See my post below....
Founder wrote: | I was disgusted with the little I saw. Not one Vulcan acts like a Vulcan on that show. |
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memyselfandI Commodore
Joined: 25 Nov 2004 Posts: 1948 Location: Michigan
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Fri Nov 26, 2004 12:40 am |
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That's the purpose of this arc though, is to fix that. It's going to be rough at first, but the resolution should explain the problems. By the end of the arc. The whole thing about "mind melds are forbidden" will be fixed. Because of the lack of stress from the conflict, the Vulcans will be less emotional. You also must remember, this 100 years before TOS, they're not going to act exactly the same. A species attitude, changes over that period of time. What this arc will do, is explain how the Vulcans got changed from the ones we saw in the first seasons of ENT, to the ones we saw in TOS, TNG, VOY, and DS9.
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