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Arellia
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PostFri Nov 12, 2004 6:54 pm    

I agree with Lt.ComdrWorf n' RM--the true diehard terrorists would not leave. They'd be pleased to be killed at the hands of us "evil" Americans. And hey. You want to see what these "innocent" people in Fallujiah DO?! Check these out... (GRAPHIC photos, do NOT visit if you can't take gore. No blood, but it's not pretty.)

http://www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/pictures033104.html

Those are what I call insane people. The U.S. forces are not the enemy here. This city needed to be taken, however we could take it.


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PostFri Nov 12, 2004 6:57 pm    

Exalya wrote:
I agree with Lt.ComdrWorf n' RM--the true diehard terrorists would not leave. They'd be pleased to be killed at the hands of us "evil" Americans. And hey. You want to see what these "innocent" people in Fallujiah DO?! Check these out... (GRAPHIC photos, do NOT visit if you can't take gore. No blood, but it's not pretty.)

http://www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/pictures033104.html

Those are what I call insane people. The U.S. forces are not the enemy here. This city needed to be taken, however we could take it.


You only need one word to describe them: Evil. You can add in "as hell," if you want, as a suffix, or "absolutely" as a prefix. I don't give a damn, but these folks are EVIL, and we MUST stop them, and that means going into Fallujah, so STOP saying or insinuating that we shouldn't be there--we HAVE to be.



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PostFri Nov 12, 2004 9:16 pm    

Republican_Man wrote:
so STOP saying or insinuating that we shouldn't be there--we HAVE to be.

The Oracle wrote:
No, you've already made the choice. Now you have to understand it.

But you aren't accomplishing anything worthwhile. Sure, you may nab some terrorists, but ultimately all you do is increase the net amount of chaos in Iraq. Feeding the fire, hmm . . .


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PostFri Nov 12, 2004 9:17 pm    

Hitchhiker wrote:
Republican_Man wrote:
so STOP saying or insinuating that we shouldn't be there--we HAVE to be.

The Oracle wrote:
No, you've already made the choice. Now you have to understand it.

But you aren't accomplishing anything worthwhile. Sure, you may nab some terrorists, but ultimately all you do is increase the net amount of chaos in Iraq. Feeding the fire, hmm . . .


No, we are lessening the fire. And there is and has been an ABSOLUTE NECESSITY to level Fallujah!



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PostSat Nov 13, 2004 1:54 am    

Republican_Man wrote:
Hitchhiker wrote:
Republican_Man wrote:
so STOP saying or insinuating that we shouldn't be there--we HAVE to be.

The Oracle wrote:
No, you've already made the choice. Now you have to understand it.

But you aren't accomplishing anything worthwhile. Sure, you may nab some terrorists, but ultimately all you do is increase the net amount of chaos in Iraq. Feeding the fire, hmm . . .


No, we are lessening the fire. And there is and has been an ABSOLUTE NECESSITY to level Fallujah!


No kidding. They've done enough of this damage, this sick game of torturing our captured people and hanging our soldiers from bridges. They want to make chaos? Then yay for them. Michael Savage... (Not a direct quote, this is from memory, but in essence-)

"They're finally taking Fullujiah, but we could be doing this with NO losses on our side. There shouldn't be a building standing."

The people in Fullujiah don't seem to be impressed with our polite negotiating, or low-level force. We tried that. Tried it for months. NOW, we need to DO something about it, 'cause they sure as heck aren't responding to anything short of violence.



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PostSat Nov 13, 2004 6:25 am    

If they're so horrible people, why did you "liberate" them in the first place? And speaking of liberating, leveling cities is not my idea of liberation.

Just for a moment, imagine yourself as an Iraqi. Your homeland has been invaded by a foreign superpower. They come to your hometown, with tanks and soldiers, and starts killing people, whom are terrorists, true, but does the Iraqi people even know they are? From their eyes, it may very well look as if you're just killing random people.
No wonder they get violent.

Additionally, these pictures are very few. That is hardly the entire population of Fallujah. Do you want to see what Americans do?

Check out the footages from Abu-Ghraib.

No, those pictures prove nothing, except that there are some bad, or evil people, as you would put it, in Fallujah. But guess what? There are bad/evil people everywhere.


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PostSat Nov 13, 2004 2:37 pm    

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If they're so horrible people, why did you "liberate" them in the first place? And speaking of liberating, leveling cities is not my idea of liberation.

Just for a moment, imagine yourself as an Iraqi. Your homeland has been invaded by a foreign superpower. They come to your hometown, with tanks and soldiers, and starts killing people, whom are terrorists, true, but does the Iraqi people even know they are? From their eyes, it may very well look as if you're just killing random people.
No wonder they get violent.

No, they DO know that. And they DO know of all the warnings we've given them for too long.

Additionally, these pictures are very few. That is hardly the entire population of Fallujah. Do you want to see what Americans do?

Check out the footages from Abu-Ghraib.

Those were a FEW. Those terrorists were more than that. The Fallujah stuff was MUCH worse than Abu-Ghraib!

No, those pictures prove nothing, except that there are some bad, or evil people, as you would put it, in Fallujah. But guess what? There are bad/evil people everywhere.


In order to make Iraq a free and peaceful place, they must be gone.



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PostSat Nov 13, 2004 3:41 pm    

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Those were a FEW. Those terrorists were more than that. The Fallujah stuff was MUCH worse than Abu-Ghraib!

Abu-Ghraib was a prison. Fallujah is a city. Of course there are more bad people in Fallujah. And bad people under pressure do horrid things. And out of the entire population of Fallujah, these are also just a few, as far as I can tell.

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In order to make Iraq a free and peaceful place, they must be gone.

And leveling Fallujah accomplishes this, I suppose. I guess the other people, who don't have anything to do with this will just have to die, too.


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PostSat Nov 13, 2004 3:48 pm    

Captain Dappet wrote:
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Those were a FEW. Those terrorists were more than that. The Fallujah stuff was MUCH worse than Abu-Ghraib!

Abu-Ghraib was a prison. Fallujah is a city. Of course there are more bad people in Fallujah. And bad people under pressure do horrid things. And out of the entire population of Fallujah, these are also just a few, as far as I can tell.

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In order to make Iraq a free and peaceful place, they must be gone.

And leveling Fallujah accomplishes this, I suppose. I guess the other people, who don't have anything to do with this will just have to die, too.


If they don't head our warnings, then on ACCIDENT, yes. You just don't seem to understand the nature of the enemy and the situation in Iraq. You just don't. And don't tell me you do, 'cause you don't.



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PostSat Nov 13, 2004 8:12 pm    

Normally I'm not opinionated on things, but I think I'm totally going with my dad and CappyD on this.

Heed america's warnings? And they were what? Since quite a lot of the power is down then they can't use tv, radio etc, and also most Iraqi's won't have these things anyway, after all, it's not the Western World where almost everyone has a tv. Loudspeakers can be used, but there's the problem that the terrorists hear as well.

And here you say all the hardcore terrorists will stay. True, but what are they? A lot of them are foriegn fighters that have been brainwashed from when they were young and have traveled to Iraq to fight the "infidels". But are they the brains behind the attacks and terrorist groups? No, they are the footsolidiers. The leaders just escape, and then start up again somewhere else with new suicide people. They don't care about the young people's lives, they care either about the cause, although they themselves wouldn't kill themselves for it, or for themselves and their personal gains.

If you had lots of problems, such as power cuts, shortage of water when the temprature is 50 degrees celcius etc then you wouldn't be too happy when you had been promised freedom. Sure, they're free, but what to do? There is huge unemployment. If the America's go and take on a city with maybe about 1% of it's population being terrorists and flatten it like a number of you were saying, then is that going to make you happy? And don't both saying that most of them were terrorists in Fallujah. There is over 300 000 normally there (as I've said a number of times) and about 300 - 800 terrorists were killed, and you say that most of them will have stayed there, so there couldn't be much over 1000 or so. So 299 000 innocent people's homes are flattened. They really are going to love America that way.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the terrorists are right, but it really is the wrong way about winning the hearts and minds war, flattening cities.


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PostSat Nov 13, 2004 8:14 pm    

You just don't understand the threat of terrorism in Iraq and how to deal with it. You just don't. What US troops are doing now is NECESSARY.
You need to check out the news (preferably FOX) and find out WITH FOOTAGE what the terrorists did in Fallujah--even to their own people in these "Slaughter Houses." I mean, come on!



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PostSat Nov 13, 2004 8:29 pm    

I know it is a large threat, but you don't seem to understand that if you go around leveling cities like you said then it will breed far more than it creates. As it is, I'm glad that the coaltition forces have decided not to take your advice, but it still will cause a lot of problems. I have seen what the terrorists have done. I looked at the pictures (and at the very biased site that it came from) and I've seen others. I said on the end of my post that I didn't condon the terorrists, they are totally evil, but what will probably happen from this is more terrorists caused by the problems it will make. Hundreds of thousands of people are homeless at the moment, and a lot of them will have lost them in the fightening, so where will they live?

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