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 Thu Nov 11, 2004 1:29 am Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat dies at 75 1929-2004 |
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| Quote: | PARIS, France (CNN) -- Palestinian Authority President Yasser Arafat, 75, the leader who passionately sought a homeland for his people but was seen by many Israelis as a ruthless terrorist and a roadblock to peace, died early Thursday in Paris.
"The last two days were very painful, very difficult days," said chief Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erakat, who confirmed Arafat's death Thursday morning. "And now, after these painful days of President Arafat, he is dead."
Arafat had been sick with an unknown illness that had been variously described as the flu, a stomach virus or gallstones. He flew to Paris October 29 seeking medical treatment and was hospitalized with what Palestinian officials said was a blood disorder.
He had been on a respirator since slipping into a coma November 3.
A hospital spokesman said he died at 3:30 a.m. Thursday (9:30 p.m. Wednesday ET).
Arafat's body will be taken from France to Cairo, where the Egyptian government will host a state funeral for him, Erakat said.
He will be buried outside the Palestinian Authority headquarters compound in the West Bank city of Ramallah.
Arafat's family had wanted him buried in Jerusalem, but the Israeli government forbade that.
"Jerusalem is the city where Jewish kings are buried, and not Arab terrorists," Israeli Justice Minister Yosef Lapid said last week.
Erakat vowed that the grave in Ramallah would be temporary.
"One day, we will have our own independent state with east Jerusalem as its capital," he said.
Erakat called it "heartbreaking" that Arafat died before achieving his goal of an independent Palestinian state, "and the Israeli occupation of our land has not finished yet." But he said Arafat managed to preserve Palestinian national identity during decades without statehood.
U.S. Assistant Secretary of State William Burns will officially represent the United States at Arafat's funeral, a senior State Department official told CNN.
Other U.S. officials may attend as private citizens, but not as government representatives, the source said.
For five decades, Arafat -- adorned with his trademark checkered kaffiyeh -- was the most prominent face of Palestinian opposition to Israel and the push for a Palestinian state, first as the head of the Palestine Liberation Organization, which carried out attacks against Israeli targets, and later as the leader of the quasi-governmental Palestinian Authority after parts of the West Bank and Gaza were returned to Palestinian control.
His death leaves no clear immediate successor in the often fractious world of Palestinian politics.
Under the Palestinian Authority's basic law, the speaker of the Palestinian parliament, Rawhi Fattuh, will replace Arafat as Palestinian Authority president on an interim basis, and elections are to be held within 60 days.
During Arafat's illness, Prime Minister Ahmed Qorei has been in charge of the Palestinian Authority, while former Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas has led the Palestine Liberation Organization's executive committee.
The president holds office for five years and can stand for re-election once.
Arafat was first elected head of the PLO in 1969, and by 1974, Arab leaders recognized the group as "the sole legitimate representative" of the Palestinian people.
In 1994, Arafat was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, along with Israeli leaders Yitzhak Rabin and Shimon Peres, for their work on the Oslo accords, seen at the time as a breakthrough toward an independent Palestinian state and a permanent peace with Israel. Yet a decade later, Arafat died without seeing his dream of a Palestinian homeland come true.
At a summit at Camp David, Maryland, in 2000, Arafat decided to turn down a U.S.-brokered deal offering Palestinians control of most of the occupied Palestinian territory. Three months later, intense fighting broke out between Palestinians and the Israeli army.
Expressing his condolences in a statement, former U.S. President Bill Clinton said: "I regret that in 2000 he missed the opportunity to bring that nation into being and pray for the day when the dreams of the Palestinian people for a state and a better life will be realized." (Reaction)
After taking office in 2001, President Bush refused to meet with Arafat and insisted that reform and new leadership within the Palestinian Authority were prerequisites for the creation of an independent state.
In a statement, Bush called Arafat's death "a significant moment in Palestinian history."
"We express our condolences to the Palestinian people," he said. "We hope that the future will bring peace and the fulfillment of their aspirations for an independent, democratic Palestine that is at peace with its neighbors."
Israel -- in retaliation for increased terrorist attacks on Israeli civilian targets -- severely restricted Arafat's movements, confining him to his West Bank compound in Ramallah in December 2001.
Continuing violence, along with corruption and economic problems, raised questions at home and abroad about Arafat's ability to lead the Palestinian Authority.
In 2003, under pressure from the United States and members of his own Cabinet, Arafat appointed Abbas to the new position of prime minister, a move designed to decentralize power. But Abbas resigned less than six months later, saying he didn't have enough support to do the job.
In July, Arafat announced a program designed to unify security forces and tackle corruption after his frustrated second prime minister, Qorei, also tried to resign.
Arafat is survived by his wife, Suha Tawil, whom he married in 1991, and their daughter, Zahwa, who was born in 1995.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/11/10/arafat.obit/index.html
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| Thu Nov 11, 2004 7:26 am |
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If there were fights when he was alive, I can't imagin how it will be now when he's dead...
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| Thu Nov 11, 2004 11:35 am |
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| Thu Nov 11, 2004 1:33 pm |
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R.I.P Yasser Arafat, you will always be remembered by some as the Freedom Fighter and Champion of Palestine that you died fighting as. May we reflect on your death and look back on your leadership skills as we realise that you were a good leader in comparrison to who will come next.
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| Thu Nov 11, 2004 2:18 pm |
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Don't know much about the politics over there, I should do some digging so that I can talk about this subject 
Anyway, sad that he died, but come on, we knew it for over a week..
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| Thu Nov 11, 2004 6:52 pm |
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^Yes, and although I hope he RIPs, I am happy to say "Good riddinse." (I don't give a damn how that's spelt.)
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| Thu Nov 11, 2004 9:00 pm |
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Arafat never missed a chance to miss an oppurtunity. Hopefully we can get someone who will put the Palestinian people ahead of his powerhungry political ambitions and who can controll the terrorists.
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| Thu Nov 11, 2004 10:54 pm |
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | Arafat never missed a chance to miss an oppurtunity. Hopefully we can get someone who will put the Palestinian people ahead of his powerhungry political ambitions and who can controll the terrorists. |
EXACTLY. You know, a few years back when Clinton met with Barack (former Israeli PM, spelt something like that) and Arafat, Barack put EVERYTHING on the table, really. But did Arafat take it? NO. His only goal was the destruction of Israel. That was it.
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| Thu Nov 11, 2004 11:38 pm |
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Arafat was one of those guys who never liked Israel. Even if the Israellis says they will pull out all troops and hand over all settlements Arafat probably would have still said no way.
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| Fri Nov 12, 2004 2:58 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | You know, a few years back when Clinton met with Barack (former Israeli PM, spelt something like that) and Arafat, Barack put EVERYTHING on the table, really. But did Arafat take it? NO. His only goal was the destruction of Israel. That was it. |
Yeah that was stupid of him, I mean not to take that offer. But you can't really blame him. Of course he hated israel after everything they had done to him and his people...
| Republican_Man wrote: | | ^Yes, and although I hope he RIPs, I am happy to say "Good riddinse." (I don't give a damn how that's spelt.) |
(tihihihi! Yu don't care, and that's why you wrote that) 
But why do you say "Good riddance"?
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| Fri Nov 12, 2004 3:14 pm |
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When, oh when, are countries going to unite? As I've said a million times before on this forum, if you were to fly above the world, you wouldn't be able to tell where one country begins and another ends-you wouldn't see any borders, not literally. Why can't the world see it the same way?
There's enough food and drink for everyone. There is enough space for everyone. The world may seem overcrowded but that's only because we tend to think of it in city terms, by that I mean that people like me look at crowded city blocks and think the whole world is like that. There's room for everyone.
EVERY country should unite to combat real threats such as pollution and global warming. But whilst we have terrorist leaders (like Saddam, now no longer in control of Iraq), there will never be peace.
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| Fri Nov 12, 2004 5:58 pm |
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| Starfleet Dentist wrote: | When, oh when, are countries going to unite? As I've said a million times before on this forum, if you were to fly above the world, you wouldn't be able to tell where one country begins and another ends-you wouldn't see any borders, not literally. Why can't the world see it the same way?
There's enough food and drink for everyone. There is enough space for everyone. The world may seem overcrowded but that's only because we tend to think of it in city terms, by that I mean that people like me look at crowded city blocks and think the whole world is like that. There's room for everyone.
EVERY country should unite to combat real threats such as pollution and global warming. But whilst we have terrorist leaders (like Saddam, now no longer in control of Iraq), there will never be peace. |
Agreed.
And superwoman, to answer your question, Arafat was an EVIL TERRORIST. And you know what? He even gave Saddam SUPPORT when he invaded Kuwait! He gave him is best wishes, etc! Come on! Plus, his actions have NOT been good. So he got the Nobel Peace Prize. That's just bull. Yes, it's the truth, but why hasn't someone, like, say, the Pope--for that matter ANY Pope--gotten it?
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| Fri Nov 12, 2004 6:06 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Starfleet Dentist wrote: | When, oh when, are countries going to unite? As I've said a million times before on this forum, if you were to fly above the world, you wouldn't be able to tell where one country begins and another ends-you wouldn't see any borders, not literally. Why can't the world see it the same way?
There's enough food and drink for everyone. There is enough space for everyone. The world may seem overcrowded but that's only because we tend to think of it in city terms, by that I mean that people like me look at crowded city blocks and think the whole world is like that. There's room for everyone.
EVERY country should unite to combat real threats such as pollution and global warming. But whilst we have terrorist leaders (like Saddam, now no longer in control of Iraq), there will never be peace. |
Agreed.
And superwoman, to answer your question, Arafat was an EVIL TERRORIST. And you know what? He even gave Saddam SUPPORT when he invaded Kuwait! He gave him is best wishes, etc! Come on! Plus, his actions have NOT been good. So he got the Nobel Peace Prize. That's just bull. Yes, it's the truth, but why hasn't someone, like, say, the Pope--for that matter ANY Pope--gotten it? |
WTF? Spitting on a man's grave when he's dead!!!. Tomorrow is Eid for *beep* sake and you *beeps* don't know how to at least give one day of respect to a man who died fighting for a cause. Even if you might not have agreed with his methods or liked the man personally that still does not justify, this disgraceful mockery of a man who's funeral was today. You all make me feel sick, I know you will show some respect when that *beep* of a War Criminal Ariel Sharon dies, the one who was responsible for the Massacre of Innocent Arab Women and Children in Lebanon and Palestine, the Man who allowed his Soldiers to rape innocent Women and Girls. You all make me sick, I say it again.
Peace be upon you, Yasser Arafat.
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| Fri Nov 12, 2004 6:07 pm |
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| Pah-Wraith wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Starfleet Dentist wrote: | When, oh when, are countries going to unite? As I've said a million times before on this forum, if you were to fly above the world, you wouldn't be able to tell where one country begins and another ends-you wouldn't see any borders, not literally. Why can't the world see it the same way?
There's enough food and drink for everyone. There is enough space for everyone. The world may seem overcrowded but that's only because we tend to think of it in city terms, by that I mean that people like me look at crowded city blocks and think the whole world is like that. There's room for everyone.
EVERY country should unite to combat real threats such as pollution and global warming. But whilst we have terrorist leaders (like Saddam, now no longer in control of Iraq), there will never be peace. |
Agreed.
And superwoman, to answer your question, Arafat was an EVIL TERRORIST. And you know what? He even gave Saddam SUPPORT when he invaded Kuwait! He gave him is best wishes, etc! Come on! Plus, his actions have NOT been good. So he got the Nobel Peace Prize. That's just bull. Yes, it's the truth, but why hasn't someone, like, say, the Pope--for that matter ANY Pope--gotten it? |
WTF? Spitting on a man's grave when he's dead!!!. Tomorrow is Eid for *beep* sake and you *beeps* don't know how to at least give one day of respect to a man who died fighting for a cause. Even if you might not have agreed with his methods or liked the man personally that still does not justify, this disgraceful mockery of a man who's funeral was today. You all make me feel sick, I know you will show some respect when that *beep* of a War Criminal Ariel Sharon dies, the one who was responsible for the Massacre of Innocent Arab Women and Children in Lebanon and Palestine, the Man who allowed his Soldiers to rape innocent Women and Girls. You all make me sick, I say it again.
Peace be upon you, Yasser Arafat. |
I'm sorry, I shouldn't have attacked him this soon. But since there was a debate about it, I just had to. I did not mean to offend you on your day of mourning, but I am the opposit of you. I think Sharon is a great man, and that Arafat only wanted the destruction of Israel. But for some time, I'll leave it at that.
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| Fri Nov 12, 2004 8:02 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | And superwoman, to answer your question, Arafat was an EVIL TERRORIST. And you know what? He even gave Saddam SUPPORT when he invaded Kuwait! He gave him is best wishes, etc! |
Who trained Bin Laden? *innocent cough*
But really. You have to think of the good things he did... He united the palistinian people...
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| superwoman wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | And superwoman, to answer your question, Arafat was an EVIL TERRORIST. And you know what? He even gave Saddam SUPPORT when he invaded Kuwait! He gave him is best wishes, etc! |
Who trained Bin Laden? *innocent cough*
But really. You have to think of the good things he did... He united the palistinian people... |
...*blinks* I'm sorry another Human being is dead, but the media is treating him like a saint, which he is not. He stole from the Pallestenian people, and as RM already said, supported Saddam...I can't believe how the media is glorifying the man...
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| Fri Nov 12, 2004 8:12 pm |
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| Exalya wrote: | | superwoman wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | And superwoman, to answer your question, Arafat was an EVIL TERRORIST. And you know what? He even gave Saddam SUPPORT when he invaded Kuwait! He gave him is best wishes, etc! |
Who trained Bin Laden? *innocent cough*
But really. You have to think of the good things he did... He united the palistinian people... |
...*blinks* I'm sorry another Human being is dead, but the media is treating him like a saint, which he is not. He stole from the Pallestenian people, and as RM already said, supported Saddam...I can't believe how the media is glorifying the man... |
That's just what the Libs do. I would think you would know that by now.
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Exalya wrote: | | superwoman wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | And superwoman, to answer your question, Arafat was an EVIL TERRORIST. And you know what? He even gave Saddam SUPPORT when he invaded Kuwait! He gave him is best wishes, etc! |
Who trained Bin Laden? *innocent cough*
But really. You have to think of the good things he did... He united the palistinian people... |
...*blinks* I'm sorry another Human being is dead, but the media is treating him like a saint, which he is not. He stole from the Pallestenian people, and as RM already said, supported Saddam...I can't believe how the media is glorifying the man... |
That's just what the Libs do. I would think you would know that by now. |
True. Next we'll see protests for Saddam's freedom... (I'm exageratting, but you never know with the way things are...)
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| Fri Nov 12, 2004 9:31 pm |
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| Exalya wrote: | | superwoman wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | And superwoman, to answer your question, Arafat was an EVIL TERRORIST. And you know what? He even gave Saddam SUPPORT when he invaded Kuwait! He gave him is best wishes, etc! |
Who trained Bin Laden? *innocent cough*
But really. You have to think of the good things he did... He united the palistinian people... |
...*blinks* I'm sorry another Human being is dead, but the media is treating him like a saint, which he is not. He stole from the Pallestenian people, and as RM already said, supported Saddam...I can't believe how the media is glorifying the man... |
NAAAHAA! Do not! I don't think he was a saint! But I don't think he was all evil either... you seem to do thou, and I don't understand that. That's why I asked.
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| Fri Nov 12, 2004 10:05 pm |
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| superwoman wrote: | | Exalya wrote: | | superwoman wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | And superwoman, to answer your question, Arafat was an EVIL TERRORIST. And you know what? He even gave Saddam SUPPORT when he invaded Kuwait! He gave him is best wishes, etc! |
Who trained Bin Laden? *innocent cough*
But really. You have to think of the good things he did... He united the palistinian people... |
...*blinks* I'm sorry another Human being is dead, but the media is treating him like a saint, which he is not. He stole from the Pallestenian people, and as RM already said, supported Saddam...I can't believe how the media is glorifying the man... |
NAAAHAA! Do not! I don't think he was a saint! But I don't think he was all evil either... you seem to do thou, and I don't understand that. That's why I asked. |
He was a terrorist enabler, a terrorist himself, and supporter of terrorism. He supported Saddam Hussein's invasion of Kuwait, and wanted only to destroy Israel. I just had to get that out, but I can't speak more. I told Pah I wouldn't until after, but I just had to respond this once.
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| Fri Nov 12, 2004 10:48 pm |
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Arafat was a Terrorist Leader back in the 70s and 80s.
He was reposible for the death of Israeli atheletes in Munich.
He does not agree with any Israeli peace plan since his only plan was too drive the Israeli out to the sea with suicide bombings.
He just united the palestinian people to do bad things.
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| Sat Nov 13, 2004 1:47 pm |
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Yup he sure did some bad things... but I still think he's ok. And I dont understand why he would unite the palestinian people only to do bad things... I mean gathering a shatters people, that's something good in my oppinion.
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| Sat Nov 13, 2004 1:59 pm |
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Are The Palestinians the ones who strap bombs to kids and send them off to busy markets to blow the hell out of everyone?
Because that's a pretty *beep* way to protest.
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Im conflicted on this issue. I won't side with either leader from Palestine and Israel. Israel treats the Palestinians like they are sub human. Their commetns are so dumb too.
"The Palestinians bomb us! They are terrorist! Wht did we do to deserve this!?"
Oh I don't know...maybe subjugate the Palestinians!
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| Sat Nov 13, 2004 2:41 pm |
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| Founder wrote: | Im conflicted on this issue. I won't side with either leader from Palestine and Israel. Israel treats the Palestinians like they are sub human. Their commetns are so dumb too.
"The Palestinians bomb us! They are terrorist! Wht did we do to deserve this!?"
Oh I don't know...maybe subjugate the Palestinians! |
I agree in that one... *points* (great way to put it)
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