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Puck
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 Sat Nov 06, 2004 5:28 pm Sask. judge gives blessing to same-sex marriage |
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Sask. judge gives blessing to same-sex marriage
CTV.ca News Staff
Updated: Sat. Nov. 6 2004 8:53 AM ET
Gay couples in Saskatchewan can now get married. A judge ruled Friday that existing marriage laws discriminate against same-sex couples.
"The common-law definition of marriage for civil purposes is declared to be 'the lawful union of two persons to the exclusion of all others,' " Justice Donna Wilson wrote in her five-page ruling.
The ruling was all but a foregone conclusion, since the same determination had already been made in five other provinces and one territory. It was also not contested by the province or the federal government.
Courts in Ontario, British Columbia, Quebec, Manitoba, Nova Scotia and the Yukon have all called the current marriage definition discriminatory.
More challenges are pending. Two couples are challenging the law in Newfoundland and Labrador.
The law was challenged in Saskatchewan by five gay couples, who went to court seeking the right to wed. It was spearheaded by Nicole White and Julie Richards of Saskatoon, who said they felt the province was skirting around the issue.
At the federal level, the government has put four questions on same-sex marriage to the Supreme Court of Canada, which is looking at a draft federal law that could make gay weddings legal across the country.
Despite increasing support at the judicial level, same-sex marriage remains a controversial issue for many Canadians. However, Canada has been more open to the concept than the United States.
American voters, who cast their ballots for their next president on Tuesday, also made their views known on the issue of same-sex marriage.
In 11 states, proposed amendments to allow such marriages were defeated. The measures in Arkansas, Georgia, Kentucky, Michigan, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma and Utah would ban civil unions as well.
With files from The Canadian Press
� Copyright 2004 Bell Globemedia Inc.
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Birdy
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Well, I think that's great news for Canada! 
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Five - seveN
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| Sun Nov 07, 2004 9:17 am |
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Yay!
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Nov 07, 2004 1:30 pm |
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Canada's legalized it. Like France, they've been secularised.
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Captain Dappet
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| Sun Nov 07, 2004 1:54 pm |
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Has it ever occurred to you, that since the rest of the world is legalizing it, and you're not, you might be wrong?
Just a thought.
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Hitchhiker
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| Sun Nov 07, 2004 2:01 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Canada's legalized it. Like France, they've been secularised. |
Ah, the "Dark Side" isn't that bad, RM  You get free donuts. Now all we need is some hockey and we're in business.
But you can have Robert Milton. And Celine Dion.
And Nunavut, the Northwest Territories, PEI, Newfoundland, and Alberta still haven't changed their definitions of marriage. I can't wait until Nunavut gets around to it, since their population is smaller than my town's population. 
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Founder
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| Sun Nov 07, 2004 2:05 pm |
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| Captain Dappet wrote: | Has it ever occurred to you, that since the rest of the world is legalizing it, and you're not, you might be wrong?
Just a thought. |
No. What America does is right. What everyone else does is wrong. The faster you accept it the better life will be....for us. 
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sabertooth1217
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| Sun Nov 07, 2004 2:09 pm |
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| Founder wrote: | | Captain Dappet wrote: | Has it ever occurred to you, that since the rest of the world is legalizing it, and you're not, you might be wrong?
Just a thought. |
No. What America does is right. What everyone else does is wrong. The faster you accept it the better life will be....for us. |
I disagee, I used to be against it but people should have the ability to marry who ever they wish to, It's part of Freedom of Speach.
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Founder
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| Sun Nov 07, 2004 2:11 pm |
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| chakotay99 wrote: | | Founder wrote: | | Captain Dappet wrote: | Has it ever occurred to you, that since the rest of the world is legalizing it, and you're not, you might be wrong?
Just a thought. |
No. What America does is right. What everyone else does is wrong. The faster you accept it the better life will be....for us. |
I disagee, I used to be against it but people should have the ability to marry who ever they wish to, It's part of Freedom of Speach. |
Dude I was joking.....
I agree that they should be allowed to marry.
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sabertooth1217
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| Sun Nov 07, 2004 2:14 pm |
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| Founder wrote: |
Dude I was joking.....
I agree that they should be allowed to marry. |
Bah, It's hard to tell at times in World News....
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Founder
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| Sun Nov 07, 2004 2:15 pm |
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 Its ok C99. I would be shocked if anyone actually said that in here and was serious.
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Hitchhiker
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I'm not going to debate this, since the point is moot and there isn't anything new to discuss. And Canada is not right, the U.S. is not wrong, we're just different.
I will point out, however, that technically it is discriminatory in Canada, because of this article in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms:
| Quote: | Section 15: Equality Rights
Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability. |
The Supreme Court ruled that "sex" may be defined as gender, or sexual orientation. That's part of the reason that most of these challenges have been winning. Past precedent is a valuable thing.
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Founder
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| Sun Nov 07, 2004 2:18 pm |
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Same here HH. They should be allowed to be married because its equal rights for ALL.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Nov 07, 2004 2:24 pm |
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You know where I stand, and it keeps going in circles, so I won't reply to these beyond saying, "This is great!" or "This is bad!" etc. I don't agree that same-sex couples have to have the right to mary each other for multiple reasons, and I've stated them before.
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Jeff Miller
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| Sun Nov 07, 2004 4:38 pm |
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| Captain Dappet wrote: | Has it ever occurred to you, that since the rest of the world is legalizing it, and you're not, you might be wrong?
Just a thought. |
I agree with you %100 nice avatar by the way
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TrekkieMage
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| Sun Nov 07, 2004 6:02 pm |
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| Captain Dappet wrote: | Has it ever occurred to you, that since the rest of the world is legalizing it, and you're not, you might be wrong?
Just a thought. |
That's a very good point. And there is nothing wrong with secularism.
In America, we are supposed to have seperation of church and state.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Nov 07, 2004 10:42 pm |
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| TrekkieMage wrote: | | Captain Dappet wrote: | Has it ever occurred to you, that since the rest of the world is legalizing it, and you're not, you might be wrong?
Just a thought. |
That's a very good point. And there is nothing wrong with secularism.
In America, we are supposed to have seperation of church and state. |
Separation of Church and State is MORE than secularism. Secularism is the almost absolute absence of religion in a society. I say no to that. We must have morals. Without religion, we cannot.
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Valathous
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| Sun Nov 07, 2004 10:49 pm |
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Wow. That was not the best thing you've ever said.
I don't believe in religion. Does that mean I have no morals RM? Btw, Canada is not secular in that case. We have religion. We allow any religion people want to be practiced. You name a religion and I bet you there is a Canadian that practices it.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Nov 07, 2004 10:51 pm |
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| Valathous wrote: | Wow. That was not the brightest thing ever said.
I don't believe in religion. Does that mean I have no morals RM? Btw, Canada is not secular in that case. We have religion. We allow any religion people want to be practiced. You name a religion and I bet you there is a Canadian that practices it. |
Alright, it is not the absense of religion, but almost the absense. In many senses, Candada, like France, is a secularized nation. However, since you are surrounded by some who believe in religion, that brings morals upon you.
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Valathous
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| Sun Nov 07, 2004 10:54 pm |
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RM. No. Just no.
My morals do not come from people who believe in religion. My morals come from my own head. I am rather insulted by the fact that you say the only reason I have morals is because of people believe in religion and those wash over onto me. My morals come from myself and what I have observed... the laws and what I know is right an wrong by my own conscience! They did not come from some person preaching God to me.
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Arellia
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RM...ah, he's right, you know. He can have morals without being religious, or being *affected* by it. In certain ways. God gave us a discerning spirit/conscience, to make our own choices, and to know morals simply by being one of His children. (Sorry, Dan, religious statement, but I'm speaking specifically to RM. Whether you believe in God or not, it is how I've been taught, and how I must argue...)
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Republican_Man
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A truly secularized nation is ammoral. Canada is not truly secularized, but is secularized. That is my firm belief, is that secularism is harmful. With religion absent from society, there can be no morals.
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Valathous
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| Sun Nov 07, 2004 11:20 pm |
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RM. You are wrong. I dont care how much you believe in that, you are wrong. Religion is actually the leading cause in war. How is that moral? It is not. How is using a compass for directions rather than a bible ammoral? How is just knowing something without having a religious person tell you, ammoral? Religion does not bring morals, it is a faith that one can choose to believe in. It does not mean that with it's absense, I would go around doing whatever I wanted, killing, stealing, raping. I dont do these because I know, for myself that it is wrong. I know through my very own mind and my very own conscience that it is wrong. I will not do or say certain things near certain people, just because I know it is wrong. How is it that I am ammoral, just because I do not believe in an all mighty being.
RM, you are wrong, just sit down.
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Arellia
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| Sun Nov 07, 2004 11:21 pm |
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I was not speaking nationally. I was speaking based on single people. I don't like the idea of total secularism either, at all. Government needs some restraint. People, though, have morals whether agnostic, atheist, or Christian.
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Republican_Man
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| Mon Nov 08, 2004 12:15 am |
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| Valathous wrote: | RM. You are wrong. I dont care how much you believe in that, you are wrong. Religion is actually the leading cause in war. How is that moral? It is not. How is using a compass for directions rather than a bible ammoral? How is just knowing something without having a religious person tell you, ammoral? Religion does not bring morals, it is a faith that one can choose to believe in. It does not mean that with it's absense, I would go around doing whatever I wanted, killing, stealing, raping. I dont do these because I know, for myself that it is wrong. I know through my very own mind and my very own conscience that it is wrong. I will not do or say certain things near certain people, just because I know it is wrong. How is it that I am ammoral, just because I do not believe in an all mighty being.
RM, you are wrong, just sit down. |
You do not understand. Let us leave it at that.
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