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Kylon
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PostSun Nov 07, 2004 1:58 am    Problems with the U.S

Is the United States over extending itself, and are we allowing too much power in the hands of too few people??

Because if you think about it, we won't have to worry about terrorist blowing up America from the outside, America will implode.

If we abuse and overuse our military, eventually they'll get exhausted, while costing hundreds of billions of dollars. We will become progressively more vunerable, rather than safe.

If we eliminate terrorist we become safer, but the worse our reaction time the easier it is for terrorist to attack.

At the same time, because we are focusing on terrorism so much, we aren't as aware that more and more power is going to the hands of fewer and fewer people. Which in a historical context is the prelude to dictatorship.

Outsourcing is causing more and more of our middle class and high paying jobs to go overseas where the jobs are done cheaper, or as I like to say, where they can get slave labor.

This creates a large number of low paying jobs at home, while also creating jobs where executives can get around 45 million dollars a year(actual statistics). I'll have to find that source, right now it's 12:50 AM in the morning. That makes jobs for the extremely poor, and the extremely wealthy.

Regardless of who is in office(Yes I was, and am a Kerry supporter), these are valid problems(unless your filthy rich), that effect all of us, and that we should be worried about.

However, if you are already extremely poor and/or uneducated, then you might as well not care, because your going to be poor either way, and if your extremely rich, then your going to be one of the people oppressing the poor and the middle class, in which case, you may be glad at the way things are going.

But as for the rest of us, this is terrible, and should be treated as such.



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PostSun Nov 07, 2004 3:52 am    

Interesting point, certainly gives us something to think about.

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Arellia
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PostSun Nov 07, 2004 10:39 am    Re: Problems with the U.S

Kylon wrote:
Is the United States over extending itself, and are we allowing too much power in the hands of too few people??

Because if you think about it, we won't have to worry about terrorist blowing up America from the outside, America will implode.

If we abuse and overuse our military, eventually they'll get exhausted, while costing hundreds of billions of dollars. We will become progressively more vunerable, rather than safe.

...let's take this little by little. First, hundreds of billions of dollars over the course of years is not that much. It SOUNDS like a lot, but it's not. With a $2.3 trillion (Give or take) budget, we haven't even raised the portion of money to the military by a single percentage. Medicare and Social Security comprise the majority of our budget.

If we eliminate terrorist we become safer, but the worse our reaction time the easier it is for terrorist to attack.

Hece, we have better security for the homeland.

At the same time, because we are focusing on terrorism so much, we aren't as aware that more and more power is going to the hands of fewer and fewer people. Which in a historical context is the prelude to dictatorship.

Power is not in the hands of a few people. 535 in the House, 100 in the Senate. Those are the people who hold the power. If the House, Senate, and/or President can't come to agreements, nothing happens. Dictatorship is incredibly difficult to come upon here. Governors would as soon create total soveirgnty for the states rather than just go along with a dictatorship. Not to mention the legislature in the states themselves--a check on the governors. And with such short terms? Heh. Good luck.

Outsourcing is causing more and more of our middle class and high paying jobs to go overseas where the jobs are done cheaper, or as I like to say, where they can get slave labor.

Outsourcing = Bad. I give you that one. Needs to be stopped.

This creates a large number of low paying jobs at home, while also creating jobs where executives can get around 45 million dollars a year(actual statistics). I'll have to find that source, right now it's 12:50 AM in the morning. That makes jobs for the extremely poor, and the extremely wealthy.

Regardless of who is in office(Yes I was, and am a Kerry supporter), these are valid problems(unless your filthy rich), that effect all of us, and that we should be worried about.

However, if you are already extremely poor and/or uneducated, then you might as well not care, because your going to be poor either way, and if your extremely rich, then your going to be one of the people oppressing the poor and the middle class, in which case, you may be glad at the way things are going.

As for money, I asure you, I am not anywhere close to rich, but I do like the direction we're heading in. There is a gap between rich and poor, yes. However, you make it sound as if there's two choices--executive, or low-paying nothingness. Being middle-class is not a bad thing, and a lot of people are. Being "poor" can come from a number of factors. Most of them education related, in my opinion. Which does need reform. However, if people would stop and really think about their education, it's not that impossible. Because I'm a minor, and learned a thing or two about the system, I can go to college entirely free. For 4 years, in my case. I say there should be more of that. But oh, no, nobody likes younger people in colleges... *sigh*

But as for the rest of us, this is terrible, and should be treated as such.


We need to be careful, yes. The country should be evaluated frequently to make sure things are okay, yes. We need to improve--again, yes. It's not going down the drain. BOTH parties want to help people, they just disagree on how to do it. Neither Democrats or Republicans would take well to a dictatorship.



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PostSun Nov 07, 2004 1:11 pm    

Lol, I think the same can be said for any of the developed countries. We're all in a bind, because every form of government we've so far achieved is unstable. Communism doesn't work economically, democracy is vulnerable to internal corruption and external force (terrorism), and autocracies are usually overthrown when the people have had enough . . .

I agree that constant reevaluation is needed, that is usually one of the best ways to ensure that the system is not changing too much, too fast.

But Canada, Britain, France, Germany, et cetera--they're all in basically the same boat as the U.S. Every country has a deficit, every country has a surplus (although in Canada, we get two: 1.9 and 9.1 billion ), and every country has a fragile and complicated economy--because we made it that way. It's not really "problems with the U.S." but "problems with the world."

Or maybe that's just my disestablistmentarianist ranting there . . .

I do think that the U.S. has spent a lot of money in Iraq, but pulling out now would not benefit the Iraqi people, and if you make the mess . . .

I don't think the U.S. will suddenly collapse internally, not at this point. Democracy is economically more stable than the other forms of government, because of course we listen to the supply and demand needs of the people. If the U.S. was to collapse, it would be from an attack by an outside force. However, I doubt this will happen any time soon as well.

Terrorists crashed planes into the World Trade Towers. Not to trivialize the incident, but America did recover. If another terrorist attack of the same scale were to happen, now that America has had time to prepare, I'm pretty sure that although it would harm the country, the U.S. would survive.

And some people may not like it, but the truth is that if the U.S. were to collapse, the global community would be in a poorer state than it is now. It's not because the U.S. is a shining beacon of goodness across the land, merely because the U.S. has insinuated itself as one of the cornerstones of the global economy.

Unlike if another country were to disappear, say . . . Canada


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