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PostWed Nov 03, 2004 1:21 pm    My Thoughts on the Election

Yes, Kerry had a chance. I was thinking that odds were 3:1 for Bush to win. But that doesnt matter. He still had a chance.

Before the votes were even counted, I heard analysts saying that the economy wouldnt prefer a Bush or Kerry victory necessarily, but the only thing that would kill it, is a long period of uncertainity. That is what everyone hoped to avoid.

No, I dont like that Bush was elected (NOT re-elected). I think we are gonna be screwed for the next 4 years. But I definetly think Kerry did the right thing. He decided to let it go.

We need a president, either one. We need to stop being a nation divided, and start to heal. We need to re-unite the nation, under whomever. At this time, we need to accept Bush is president for the next 4 years, and let it go. Let it go.


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PostWed Nov 03, 2004 1:47 pm    

Exactly. You.. describe this really nice, I totally agree with you (although I don't live in the States )
[accept it] [accept it] (I'm trying!!)


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PostWed Nov 03, 2004 1:54 pm    

Agreed, Now that this election is over all we can do is try to heal up the rift that has formed between our country.

Not like it will happen anytime soon though. Too many Radicals on both sides.


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PostWed Nov 03, 2004 1:59 pm    

Well, we shall see if the president will make it happen.

But im just trying to remain positive now. Just wait til RM reads this, lol.


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PostWed Nov 03, 2004 2:02 pm    

^ Yeah, than it'll be a nice discussion!!
I hope for you guys that the next 4 years will be in your advantage, that 'the rift' will be somewhat closed... We'll see how Bush makes it happen....


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PostWed Nov 03, 2004 2:04 pm    

I believe the rift will grow, to be honest.

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PostWed Nov 03, 2004 2:06 pm    

Kyre wrote:
I believe the rift will grow, to be honest.


It has to grow worse before it gets better...?
Well, it is a possibility. I see it here in my country as well, we're also having problems.. And I also think it has to grow worse first. The problem isn't gone by tomorrow, it will take several more years. 10? 20? 50? More?


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PostWed Nov 03, 2004 2:21 pm    

I'm also hoping for unity. And perhaps we'll have it. But I'm not so certain Bush is just going to sit back and please everyone this term...with a large majority in both houses, and no need to run for public office again, if he's smart, he'll get some things done that he's yet to finish. That would likely enrage some on the opposite side. It may be a great divider, regardless of whether what he'll do might be right or wrong. I was glad that Kerry conceded, as well. Not just because that means Bush won--he went out with some measure of dignity, which is something the elections are due to regain.

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PostWed Nov 03, 2004 6:16 pm    

Exalya wrote:
I'm also hoping for unity. And perhaps we'll have it. But I'm not so certain Bush is just going to sit back and please everyone this term...with a large majority in both houses, and no need to run for public office again, if he's smart, he'll get some things done that he's yet to finish. That would likely enrage some on the opposite side. It may be a great divider, regardless of whether what he'll do might be right or wrong. I was glad that Kerry conceded, as well. Not just because that means Bush won--he went out with some measure of dignity, which is something the elections are due to regain.


Agreed. Yay for Bush! Yay for the Republicans! Yay for America!



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PostWed Nov 03, 2004 6:56 pm    

Republican_Man wrote:
Exalya wrote:
I'm also hoping for unity. And perhaps we'll have it. But I'm not so certain Bush is just going to sit back and please everyone this term...with a large majority in both houses, and no need to run for public office again, if he's smart, he'll get some things done that he's yet to finish. That would likely enrage some on the opposite side. It may be a great divider, regardless of whether what he'll do might be right or wrong. I was glad that Kerry conceded, as well. Not just because that means Bush won--he went out with some measure of dignity, which is something the elections are due to regain.


Agreed. Yay for Bush! Yay for the Republicans! Yay for America!


What about the world?


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PostWed Nov 03, 2004 7:01 pm    

As I've said before on this forum, I am apolitical. For me, that means that I take an interest in politics but don't claim allegiance to any party or political philosophy.

I prefer to make up my own mind about issues, based on available evidence.

Defiant is right, people do need to be united. You know, we're not different, not really. Everyone in the world wants the same basic things:

Warmth
Security
Employment/regular wage
Food
Education
Heating

And much more...

Whether you're a Democrat or Republican, whether you're conservative or liberal, whether you're a capitalist or socialist, you just want to get on with your life, work hard, receive a wage and do good by your family and friends.

I'm not naive, I know we have problems. I know ideological differences have kept us seperated for centures. I know there are no magical solutions to the problems we face. But it is time to unite. By all means, a government should be held to account by it's opposition but I would like to see more co-operation between different parties, whether it be in America, here in England, France or anywhere else.

Like I said, we're all the same. Fly above the Earth in a spaceship (if you could) and you can't tell where one country starts and another begins. You can't see any borders. Maybe the world will see it like that one day. Or maybe I'm just being unrealistic, I don't know.


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PostWed Nov 03, 2004 8:04 pm    

Republican_Man wrote:
Yay for America!


you mean yay for you...


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PostWed Nov 03, 2004 8:07 pm    

I beleive if you look he already said yay for Republican's, perhaps he is truly happy for America.

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PostWed Nov 03, 2004 8:52 pm    

Kyre wrote:
Republican_Man wrote:
Exalya wrote:
I'm also hoping for unity. And perhaps we'll have it. But I'm not so certain Bush is just going to sit back and please everyone this term...with a large majority in both houses, and no need to run for public office again, if he's smart, he'll get some things done that he's yet to finish. That would likely enrage some on the opposite side. It may be a great divider, regardless of whether what he'll do might be right or wrong. I was glad that Kerry conceded, as well. Not just because that means Bush won--he went out with some measure of dignity, which is something the elections are due to regain.


Agreed. Yay for Bush! Yay for the Republicans! Yay for America!


What about the world?


Sorry, and the World.

JanewayIsHott wrote:
I beleive if you look he already said yay for Republican's, perhaps he is truly happy for America.


EXACTLY. Come on Jeff, you REALLY think that I don't give a damn about America, and it's all about me, my candidate, and my party? NO WAY.



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PostWed Nov 03, 2004 9:00 pm    

But you have to admit how your candidate, your party certainly helps things. The republicans are happy, because they got their way. Now the nation turns to the democratic half of the country to see if they will accept this, or go crazy. And also to Bush to see how he will try to make democrats feel accepted and united.

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PostWed Nov 03, 2004 10:52 pm    

I disagree and agree with you Mark, The Nation does need to become unified but I will never ever in my entire life side with George W. Bush. I may be considered a self righteous son of a bitch for say thing, but I am stubborn and I have my reasons. I may not be the best person to debate politics in any way, hell Republican Man has given Valid Reasons to everything that I have posted in World News to date. The Nation does need to be unified but it will not give my respect until 2008. I do not trust the country any more, America is foolish to vote for him and because of that we will have more to pay.

I will be able to vote in 2008 (Will be 20), and I will pay attention even more then I did this year (Though my vote will never matter because I am a Texas Democrat).

Bush won fare and square, but at least I have the power to say that I didn�t support him after we start to feel his �damage�.

Just wait till �08


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PostThu Nov 04, 2004 10:29 am    

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Sorry, and the World.

*ahumm* Please... In the Dutch news where they told about Bush being elected, it was mentioned that America is probably the only country in the world where Bush could/would be elected. It's true. He practically ignores the UN, par example. Also, he doesn't seem to know the word "environment". This is bad for the rest of the world. And for America too, eventually.


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PostThu Nov 04, 2004 2:17 pm    

Five - seveN wrote:
Repubiclan_Man wrote:
Sorry, and the World.

*ahumm* Please... In the Dutch news where they told about Bush being elected, it was mentioned that America is probably the only country in the world where Bush could/would be elected. It's true. He practically ignores the UN, par example. Also, he doesn't seem to know the word "environment". This is bad for the rest of the world. And for America too, eventually.


Too bad not everybody sees that.


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PostThu Nov 04, 2004 5:26 pm    

Five - seveN wrote:
Repubiclan_Man wrote:
Sorry, and the World.

*ahumm* Please... In the Dutch news where they told about Bush being elected, it was mentioned that America is probably the only country in the world where Bush could/would be elected. It's true. He practically ignores the UN, par example. Also, he doesn't seem to know the word "environment". This is bad for the rest of the world. And for America too, eventually.


I have to agree on a certain point. He would not be likely to be elected in other countries. Why? Other countries lean socialist/liberal, are pro-U.N. and one-world-system. Not all, but a good deal of the European ones. The U.N. leaders are not reliable, and whatta' y'know! They don't have any POWER to enforce their little ideals. Not to mention, Americans have a lower tax burden than most any other country, including Canada, Sweden, etc. It makes us quite different. How is he doing bad things for the environment? He keeps funding to the programs, the air has actually, by study, gotten cleaner since he's been in office, and...hm. Well, I live in the middle of a California rainforest. There are trees on every side of my county, and redwoods everywhere you turn. And...we're cutting down trees relentlessly? Heh. Not here, for sure. And let's not forget the funding to hydrogen fuel-cells.

As for the war and its global implications...I like the way Bush put it this morning. "Democracy and freedom are long-term solutions to troubled countries. Some people might think that some countries weren't meant to be free, or can't be free. I'm sorry, but I don't think like that."


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PostThu Nov 04, 2004 5:30 pm    

Belanna1985 wrote:
Five - seveN wrote:
Repubiclan_Man wrote:
Sorry, and the World.

*ahumm* Please... In the Dutch news where they told about Bush being elected, it was mentioned that America is probably the only country in the world where Bush could/would be elected. It's true. He practically ignores the UN, par example. Also, he doesn't seem to know the word "environment". This is bad for the rest of the world. And for America too, eventually.


Too bad not everybody sees that.


I know. I wish America would open their eyes and see what was happening outside of out little bubble.

And I have to agree with Chakotay99. I know this is going to make me sound horrible and pig headed. But I don't feel safe. The last two days were the first time in 4 years I felt remotely patriotic. I don't feel good about what's happening. I really do want America to unite. But I don't think I will be able to bite my tounge and jump in until 2008.

I am honestly frightened of what is going to happen here in the USA over the next 4 years...


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PostThu Nov 04, 2004 5:34 pm    

Tsss, so when someone wins a democratic election, the majority of the population has "their eyes closed." Wow.


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PostThu Nov 04, 2004 5:37 pm    

TrekkieMage wrote:


I know. I wish America would open their eyes and see what was happening outside of out little bubble.

And I have to agree with Chakotay99. I know this is going to make me sound horrible and pig headed. But I don't feel safe. The last two days were the first time in 4 years I felt remotely patriotic. I don't feel good about what's happening. I really do want America to unite. But I don't think I will be able to bite my tounge and jump in until 2008.

I am honestly frightened of what is going to happen here in the USA over the next 4 years...


And...you're not safe because there hasn't been another terrorist attack here in three years? Hmn.

America is not going to die and fall into some deep, dark abyss in the next four years. The SYSTEM in America prohibits dictatorship. The minority can block horrendous legislature if they want. And, you know what? Tony Blair and Jacque Chirac have more power of their own people than the president could ever wish to have. That simple. Did we die during the Reagan years? Is everything so bad right now? No. No, it's not. Bush is not a radical conservative. Even the democrats over here aren't radically liberal. We're a centrist nation, even if we make it seem like we're not. Individually, there are extremes. As a whole, it's rare.


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PostThu Nov 04, 2004 6:22 pm    

IntrepidIsMe: I'm not saying that America as a whole isn't paying close attention, I was refering to the fact that America seems to be strongly disliked overseas. And I'm not sure how many people are aware of that. That is what I was refering to.

Exlalya: I'm not saying America is doomed in a big pit of darkness for the rest of it's existance. I'm just saying that I am worried about what is going to happen. Yes things get better, yes we haven't done the worst we could do. But that doesn't mean I'm not afraid of what is going to happen in the next four years.


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PostThu Nov 04, 2004 7:58 pm    

I was watching BBC's Question Time tonight. For those that don't live in the UK, that is a political debate programme.

For the umpteenth time, a member of the audience compared George W. Bush to Hitler. Thankfully, one of the panel members described that comment as "moronic".

I don't agree with all of Bush's policies but as an apolitical person, I give credit where it is due. It is also interesting to hear some people compare Tony Blair to Hitler.

You know, I'm not Tony Blair's biggest fan. I agree with his stance on the "war on terror". But I disagree with most of his policies. Personally speaking, I believe that I am financially worse off under a Labour government.

However, whilst I am not a big fan of Blair, I can't stand it when people compare him and Bush to a murderous dictator who committed genocide and wanted no less than world domination. I think it is most unfair, whatever your political orientation, to compare Bush and Blair to Hitler. I'm sorry but that is wrong.

Bush and Blair say what is on their mind. They often help out other countries, even when those countries don't want help. They have their faults. But they are NOTHING like Hitler.


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PostThu Nov 04, 2004 10:05 pm    

TrekkieMage wrote:
IntrepidIsMe: I'm not saying that America as a whole isn't paying close attention, I was refering to the fact that America seems to be strongly disliked overseas. And I'm not sure how many people are aware of that. That is what I was refering to.


Meh. I'd say just coming on the internet everyday and reading some of the things I read is enough of a reminder of how much some of the world dislikes the US. Of course I don't see any of that here at STV, but it's there none the less. It's on the news a lot, too. There's always some middle eastern country burning a US flag or two.



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