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PostThu Oct 28, 2004 3:20 pm    

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Tsss.

It's her opinion, she's entitled to it. Don't go around saying she's "evil" just because of her opinion.


And the video is really bad, it's full of lies.


No, she IS evil if she finds THIS funny! That's my opinion.


I my recollection, an opinion begins with 'I think' or 'Imo'.... Not 'Is', because than it is a fact that i'm evil.
I think you really don't accept my opinion. (see! that's MY OPINION, it begins with 'I think')


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PostThu Oct 28, 2004 3:22 pm    

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I can't help it! I really can't...There have been MANY debates that I don't wish to debate further, but I HAVE to,

Belanna1985 wrote:
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Tsss.

It's her opinion, she's entitled to it. Don't go around saying she's "evil" just because of her opinion.


And the video is really bad, it's full of lies.


No, she IS evil if she finds THIS funny! That's my opinion.


I my recollection, an opinion begins with 'I think' or 'Imo'.... Not 'Is', because than it is a fact that i'm evil.
I think you really don't accept my opinion. (see! that's MY OPINION, it begins with 'I think')


NO. Opinions do NOT have to begin with "I think"

Also, I changed it. After thinking about it, it doesn't mean that YOU are evil, it's just SOMETHING evil, that you think it's FUNNY. But if you think it's funny, you are 22% evil. Most people are (EDIT) 2 or 3% evil. I am 2% evil.



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PostThu Oct 28, 2004 3:25 pm    

If we locked every topic because you can't control, you wouldn't learn self-control. Think of this as a learning experience

So now we are quantatively measuring people's evil percentages? Interesting . . .


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PostThu Oct 28, 2004 3:26 pm    

i realy think that it isn't evil...
well maby i am but U ARE WORES


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PostThu Oct 28, 2004 3:27 pm    

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If we locked every topic because you can't control, you wouldn't learn self-control. Think of this as a learning experience

So now we are quantatively measuring people's evil percentages? Interesting . . .


Yes. We are. Just to prove a point, I think...
This is MORE than just a "test in self control." This is something about people saying that something evil is FINE or FUNNY!
It is EVIL damn it! It is EVIL!



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PostThu Oct 28, 2004 3:29 pm    

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NO. Opinions do NOT have to begin with "I think"

Also, I changed it. After thinking about it, it doesn't mean that YOU are evil, it's just SOMETHING evil, that you think it's FUNNY. But if you think it's funny, you are 22% evil. Most people are (EDIT) 2 or 3% evil. I am 2% evil.



Whatever. I'm not going any further trying to convince you, or debating with you. If you think I'm evil, than have fun with it! I really don't care, and I'm just glad I'm not a republican. And that I live in the Netherlands, were my opinion IS respected. Thank you. And have a nice life.


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PostThu Oct 28, 2004 3:29 pm    

Evil is fine, and it is funny. If I looked at the world's history, most of the evil people are funny.

For an episode of "The Greatest Canadian" on CBC, they subtitled a short Hitler (someone whom you consider to be "evil") speech with the following subtitles:

"I am a raving lunatic with a dodgy mustache intent on taking over the world."

And I found that funny.

Everything has the potential for humour, even if it is meant to be serious, because often it is the serious that is exposed as humour in its dryest form.


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PostThu Oct 28, 2004 3:32 pm    

Belanna1985 wrote:
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NO. Opinions do NOT have to begin with "I think"

Also, I changed it. After thinking about it, it doesn't mean that YOU are evil, it's just SOMETHING evil, that you think it's FUNNY. But if you think it's funny, you are 22% evil. Most people are (EDIT) 2 or 3% evil. I am 2% evil.



Whatever. I'm not going any further trying to convince you, or debating with you. If you think I'm evil, than have fun with it! I really don't care, and I'm just glad I'm not a republican. And that I live in the Netherlands, were my opinion IS respected. Thank you. And have a nice life.


I am SO sorry. SO SORRY! It's just, I find this EVIL. Pure and simple EVIL. And you find that funny. So I naturally find that factor evil. And because of that, you are a certain percent evil.
I respect your opinion, however I GREATLY disagree with it and I HATE it. You can have low morals, I don't care. Well, I do, but hey, it's your life. Have low morals if you want.

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Evil is fine, and it is funny. If I looked at the world's history, most of the evil people are funny.

For an episode of "The Greatest Canadian" on CBC, they subtitled a short Hitler (someone whom you consider to be "evil") speech with the following subtitles:

"I am a raving lunatic with a dodgy mustache intent on taking over the world."

And I found that funny.

Everything has the potential for humour, even if it is meant to be serious, because often it is the serious that is exposed as humour in its dryest form.


Yes, I agree with that. Somethings can be humorous, but this music video is not.



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PostThu Oct 28, 2004 3:34 pm    

Please, everyone, get back on topic.


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PostThu Oct 28, 2004 3:41 pm    

IntrepidIsMe wrote:
Please, everyone, get back on topic.


Yes. You know where I stand, and so I am going to try to stay away from this topic.
However, while I was preparing to do some work outside, I was thinking about this situation and realize that I am wrong to call people like 1985 evil. I realized that what she belives in is evil, but that does not make HER evil. The fact that she thinks that ONE evil thing is funny doesn't make her evil, it's just an evil thing about her. However, I stand by the Eminem is evil. But I am sorry, and will be PMming certain people apologies.



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PostThu Oct 28, 2004 3:49 pm    

Well, you all also know where I stand, so.. I'm also not posting on this topic anymore.

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PostThu Oct 28, 2004 4:07 pm    


this is too funny man!!!




thay can't even respect eachothers opinion



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PostThu Oct 28, 2004 4:20 pm    

We find Eminem retarded. His sngs make us sick. He adds new meaning to teh term "white trash."


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PostThu Oct 28, 2004 4:46 pm    

Look, this video isn't bad because it is aimed at Bush, it is the actuall content of the video that is quite disturbing. If Kerry won and this exact same video was made except replacing everything about Bush with Kerry I would still be disgusted. This video is close to nazi propaganda and you cannot deny that. Who did Hitler get his power from speaking to-the oppressed and hopeless German's of the time, and mostly the kids living a hard life...telling them they were the future. Who is eminem speaking to in this video-the rap audience, which sadly in many cases turns out to be poor inner city kids living a hard life. What was Hitler preaching-a message that he would make things better, follow him and be a part of something great! What is eminem saying-he has never mislead you, listen to him and let him be your voice...be part of a revolution. Eminem's video is filled with black, gothic figures, and undoubtably with violent thoughts at least. And we know how Hitler was.... This is sick, and disturbing, no matter who it could be aimed at. How far have we gone where we don't even recognize a bad thing? Ok, maybe RM wouldn't feel the same if the shoe was on the other foot...but then again maybe he would, we don't know because we are not him. And to all of you who see this as "funny" or "active freedom of speech" and seeing RM as trying to "censor peoples thoughts"...friggin wake up! It scares me to think that there are people out there who see this as just a rosey good 'ol funny video. Think about what you are seeing! If I were to do anything like this video/song at school I would most likely be arrested for "conspiracy for assasination" or something like that. This is just purely disgusting and in my opinion evil. Open your eyes and have a fair perspective.

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PostThu Oct 28, 2004 4:54 pm    

There is also something I saw at the beginning of the video briefly that I want to look into more closely. It is the symbol of a cult called the "Illuminati". I found what I beleive to be that very symbol towards the beginning, and am going back to double check it. The illuminati are a Catholic hate group that persecute, terrorize, and torture Catholics. Although the cult has dwindled into almost inexistance, it still has few followers. This is another part of the video I find disturbing.

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PostThu Oct 28, 2004 5:06 pm    

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Look, this video isn't bad because it is aimed at Bush, it is the actuall content of the video that is quite disturbing. If Kerry won and this exact same video was made except replacing everything about Bush with Kerry I would still be disgusted. This video is close to nazi propaganda and you cannot deny that. Who did Hitler get his power from speaking to-the oppressed and hopeless German's of the time, and mostly the kids living a hard life...telling them they were the future. Who is eminem speaking to in this video-the rap audience, which sadly in many cases turns out to be poor inner city kids living a hard life. What was Hitler preaching-a message that he would make things better, follow him and be a part of something great! What is eminem saying-he has never mislead you, listen to him and let him be your voice...be part of a revolution. Eminem's video is filled with black, gothic figures, and undoubtably with violent thoughts at least. And we know how Hitler was.... This is sick, and disturbing, no matter who it could be aimed at. How far have we gone where we don't even recognize a bad thing? Ok, maybe RM wouldn't feel the same if the shoe was on the other foot...but then again maybe he would, we don't know because we are not him. And to all of you who see this as "funny" or "active freedom of speech" and seeing RM as trying to "censor peoples thoughts"...friggin wake up! It scares me to think that there are people out there who see this as just a rosey good 'ol funny video. Think about what you are seeing! If I were to do anything like this video/song at school I would most likely be arrested for "conspiracy for assasination" or something like that. This is just purely disgusting and in my opinion evil. Open your eyes and have a fair perspective.


Well thank you.

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There is also something I saw at the beginning of the video briefly that I want to look into more closely. It is the symbol of a cult called the "Illuminati". I found what I beleive to be that very symbol towards the beginning, and am going back to double check it. The illuminati are a Catholic hate group that persecute, terrorize, and torture Catholics. Although the cult has dwindled into almost inexistance, it still has few followers. This is another part of the video I find disturbing.


Please, do tell.



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PostThu Oct 28, 2004 8:33 pm    

Why is it everyone keeps saying Republicans would not complain if it was about Kerry? People keep talking about rights and Freedom of Speech. Here is another popular right. You all have the right to shut the hell up. Don't ever speak for me or my party. We would not condone it and you know it. You're just trying to piss us off. How sad.....

RM old buddy? Who cares about this video? Don't even get bent out of shape over it. Eminem is a moron. Its scary that Kerry supporters in here are like "Its so political! Eminem knows alot about politics!" Blah blah blah blah blah. Eminem knows politics like RM is Democrat.

I can't believe you don't find this funny RM. Democrats are using Hollywood to get votes. They're getting desperate. Im laughing at their athetic attempts to get votes. Michael Moore is marching in Florida because of the missing absentee ballots. March all you want fat boy. You can do as many recounts as you want but you people better not pull another Gore. Im laughing as they are jumping from one foot to another begging and paying people off for votes. Can't earn them eh? Oh well.....cheer up RM and laugh.


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PostThu Oct 28, 2004 8:53 pm    

Founder wrote:
They're...their...they


This is why politics is messed up.


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PostThu Oct 28, 2004 8:56 pm    

JanewayIsHott wrote:
There is also something I saw at the beginning of the video briefly that I want to look into more closely. It is the symbol of a cult called the "Illuminati". I found what I beleive to be that very symbol towards the beginning, and am going back to double check it. The illuminati are a Catholic hate group that persecute, terrorize, and torture Catholics. Although the cult has dwindled into almost inexistance, it still has few followers. This is another part of the video I find disturbing.


The symbol in the video is likely referencing the group who supposedly run the world. They choose who becomes president, who goes to war with who, blah blah blah. That's what the conspiracy theorists claim anyway.


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PostThu Oct 28, 2004 9:00 pm    

Thanks for that little bit of info. Worth my time researching but not worrying about.

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This is why politics is messed up.


^Agreed.


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JanewayIsHott wrote:
Thanks for that little bit of info. Worth my time researching but not worrying about.

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This is why politics is messed up.


^Agreed.


Oh Lord....

You all are a different political party. When I say they i mean Kerry supporters. Obviously different than Bush supporters eh? Im trying to establish a difference so you know who im talking about.


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^In case you were curious RM (or anyone else) the pyramid with the eye (in the middle..duh...) is a symbol of the illuminati.


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PostThu Oct 28, 2004 9:09 pm    

And anyway, Eminem clearly does know a thing or two about politics, otherwise his video wouldn't be causing such a fracas.

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PostThu Oct 28, 2004 9:23 pm    

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Why is it everyone keeps saying Republicans would not complain if it was about Kerry? People keep talking about rights and Freedom of Speech. Here is another popular right. You all have the right to shut the hell up. Don't ever speak for me or my party. We would not condone it and you know it. You're just trying to piss us off. How sad.....

RM old buddy? Who cares about this video? Don't even get bent out of shape over it. Eminem is a moron. Its scary that Kerry supporters in here are like "Its so political! Eminem knows alot about politics!" Blah blah blah blah blah. Eminem knows politics like RM is Democrat.

I can't believe you don't find this funny RM. Democrats are using Hollywood to get votes. They're getting desperate. Im laughing at their athetic attempts to get votes. Michael Moore is marching in Florida because of the missing absentee ballots. March all you want fat boy. You can do as many recounts as you want but you people better not pull another Gore. Im laughing as they are jumping from one foot to another begging and paying people off for votes. Can't earn them eh? Oh well.....cheer up RM and laugh.


I'll give you that it's funny that the anti-Bush people have to go to such lengths, but that film...FAR FROM FUNNY.

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There is also something I saw at the beginning of the video briefly that I want to look into more closely. It is the symbol of a cult called the "Illuminati". I found what I beleive to be that very symbol towards the beginning, and am going back to double check it. The illuminati are a Catholic hate group that persecute, terrorize, and torture Catholics. Although the cult has dwindled into almost inexistance, it still has few followers. This is another part of the video I find disturbing.


The symbol in the video is likely referencing the group who supposedly run the world. They choose who becomes president, who goes to war with who, blah blah blah. That's what the conspiracy theorists claim anyway.


Yeah, and I'm a Democrat who supports Kerry.

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^In case you were curious RM (or anyone else) the pyramid with the eye (in the middle..duh...) is a symbol of the illuminati.


Ah. Thank you.



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PostFri Oct 29, 2004 7:36 am    

JanewayIsHott wrote:


^In case you were curious RM (or anyone else) the pyramid with the eye (in the middle..duh...) is a symbol of the illuminati.

That's a symbol of what we in Holland call 'vrijmetselaars'. I don't know what it is in English; I'll look it up and post it later. However, the Illuminati are originally a group of scientists persuaded and tortured by the Catolic church! Galileo Galilei for example was an Illuminati. They are... no... were just great people. I'll post more about it later.


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