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Arellia
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 Tue Oct 26, 2004 2:13 pm Who's Smarter? |
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| Quote: | Who's Really Smarter?
Despite all the talk questioning Bush's ability to pronounce words and claims that Kerry is a fussy intellectual, some pseudo-scientists are saying the Massachusetts senator's IQ may actually be lower than the president's.
Steve Sailer, a columnist for Vdare.com, has a few interesting things to point out in his column about the brainwaves of the presidential candidates.
"There's been a lot of talk about how Senator Kerry has a lot higher IQ than Bush � the thing is, though, there's very little hard evidence out there," Sailer told FOX News on Tuesday.
At the age of 22, both men took the IQ-type tests required of candidate military officers � Bush took one to get into the Air National Guard and Kerry took one in his efforts to become a Navy officer. Sailer said that Kerry scored in the 50th percentile � about average for all who applied with him but "well above average intelligence" of others.
On his Air Force Qualifying Test, the president "scored a little bit better, better than about 2/3 of the applicants," Sailer said.
While the two tests aren't perfectly comparable, Sailer says they provide no evidence that Kerry is smarter and that, if anything, Bush is smarter than Kerry.
Bush got a 1206 on his SATs, the college entrance exams, and maintained a C+ average at Yale University. His graduate management aptitude test score and grades at Harvard Business School are not known, however.
Kerry's grades and academic test scores remain wholly unavailable, but he did not graduate from Yale with honors.
Bush actually has higher IQ � in the mid 120s, Sailer said, while Kerry's is about an even 120.
"The question is, first of all, is Bush really as dumb as Democrats like to say? The answer is no, he's a clever man. Is Kerry quite as smart as people think he is? Probably not," Sailer told FOX News.
But the president can do some things to get rid of the blundering idiot image, Sailer said.
"I think what we've seen is that, it would probably do the president some good for somebody to sit down and say 'Mr. President, you have degrees from the two most popular colleges in the United States' and you can fly a fighter jet but 'you can really buckle down and sweat the details a little bit more than you're doing,'" Sailer said.
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- http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,136644,00.html
I couldn't resist. I find it hilarious, and wonderful. 
... *whispers* 2,000th post. *cackles*
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Hitchhiker
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| Tue Oct 26, 2004 3:10 pm |
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Oh c'mon. IQ tests are terrible. They are standardized tests that don't represent your ability at all. I'm an intelligent person, but would I score high on an IQ test? My classmates say so, but the truth is that I'd probably only score about average, because I'm not good at the skills required by an IQ test . . . truth be told however, I've never taken a proper IQ test (and shunned the supposedly correct Internet ones).
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Jeremy
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| Tue Oct 26, 2004 3:21 pm |
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Who cares who is smarter? Sure, you don't want a dumb president, but it's not going to make a huge problem if they can still do the things. Personally I don't mind Bush's word muddling, it makes him more real.
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Superman
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| Tue Oct 26, 2004 3:43 pm |
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I had my IQ tested. I have an IQ of 200.
On the topic though, I'll say one thing for U.S. Presidential elections. They're never boring. I think they are just an extension of showbusiness. Over here, in Britain, election campaigns can be boring.
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Republican_Man
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| Tue Oct 26, 2004 3:52 pm |
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| Jeremy wrote: | | Who cares who is smarter? Sure, you don't want a dumb president, but it's not going to make a huge problem if they can still do the things. Personally I don't mind Bush's word muddling, it makes him more real. |
I agree. It doesn't matter, even though Bush is clearly smarter than Kerry 
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TrekkieMage
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| Tue Oct 26, 2004 4:40 pm |
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Intelligence seems to be a personal opinion. Mostly because there are different kinds of intelligence. There's book smart, street smart, and general intelligence. Both have their strong points and weak points.
Bush comes off as more personable.
Kerry comes off as more book smart.
Personally, I think Kerry is probably smarter. But that's just me.
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Arellia
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| Tue Oct 26, 2004 6:49 pm |
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I just posted it because I thought it was amusing. A great deal of people use the argument that Bush isn't smart. Which is, in itself, annoying. I wasn't being serious. *shrugs* Ah, well.
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TrekkieMage
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| Tue Oct 26, 2004 7:04 pm |
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| Exalya wrote: | | I just posted it because I thought it was amusing. A great deal of people use the argument that Bush isn't smart. Which is, in itself, annoying. I wasn't being serious. *shrugs* Ah, well. |
Give it 7 days, then people will stop being so literal about the elections 
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Birdy
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| Wed Oct 27, 2004 10:56 am |
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I don't think you can just go by the fact of who has a higher IQ, I think there are more things involved. Like your ability to see cause & consequence in things, if you can imagine yourself in someone, and of course leadership and your ability to make discisions. Of course is your IQ important, and it all connects with one another.. but just a number doensn't say how smart you are.
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Arellia
The Quiet One
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| Wed Oct 27, 2004 11:50 am |
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To be clear, I put no faith in an IQ test, myself. Just saying he's not an idiot. Been getting hit in debates lately a lot with people simply dead-ending the conversation by saying he's entirely stupid. (Not usually here, but elsewhere) Trying to demonstrate a point.
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