| Who won the LAST Presidential Debate? |
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| Kerry |
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45% |
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| Tie/Draw |
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10% |
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Arellia
The Quiet One
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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Location: Dallas, TX
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 Sat Oct 16, 2004 1:42 pm |
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| Quote: | Look! Look! There he goes again!
I didn't mean it that literally, and, if you did say it a few times, I wouldn't really care. Wat matters is why you say it. I use the word myself, too, as you have probably noticed from that post... |
He never has. (On the forums, anyway) I'll vouch for that.  And sure, you didn't mean it literally, even I caught that. Simply the principal. *shrugs*
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Defiant
Fleet Admiral
Joined: 04 Jul 2001
Posts: 15946
Location: Oregon City, OR
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| Sat Oct 16, 2004 3:21 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | 1. I hardly EVER have attacked a person, and if I do I apologize in virtually ALL cases (maybe one or two that hasn't happened.) |
You always attack people. You just dont view it as an attack apparently, to make yourself feel better. You attack people constantly. In fact, youre attacking me right now.
| Republican_Man wrote: | | 2. I do NOT make things up. I base my opinions on facts and things that I hear from trusted sources. ALL of those factors combine to form my opinions. |
Republican sources. You are told by the republicans what to think, and do no thinking for yourself. How brainless is that?
| Republican_Man wrote: | | 3. I am NOT "close minded." There is a difference between being close-minded and adament in your views. I TAKE other opinions into account, and respect others' opinions. But with all due respect, I am NOT close-minded, and don't attack me by saying that I "disagree when people say that I'm wrong again," or whatever it is that you've said to that liking, because it's just not true. |
Yes, there is a difference between adamancy and close-mindedness. Too bad you are close minded. If you were simply adamant in your views, you might realise you were wrong once in awhile, and support the right side. But you never do. You never back down, especially if you have the absolute wrong side of the issue. Take into mind the political terrorist topic. EVERYONE told you that your point was wrong, yet you keep throwing it out.
And unfortunately, the statement is absolutely true, you just wont admit it.
| Republican_Man wrote: | | 4. If I am strong in my views, I don't have to be Liberal. However, I tend to be more Liberal on the Death Penalty (only supporting it for terrorists), somewhat Liberal on welfare (I don't think it needs to be gone or close to it), I'm not COMPLETELY against Abortion, I believe in the government giving perscription drugs for seniors, as long as they spend less, I'm for giving amnesty to illegal aliens (AS LONG AS OUR BORDERS ARE SECURE) and I'm sure there are a few more issues that I lean a bit Liberal on. And I do NOT just believe what the Republicans "want me to believe!" Come on! Do you HAVE to attack me in that way? It's just not true. It's libel. I do NOT just believe "what the Republicans want me to believe." NO! I take a variety of opinions into account (given usually their Republican, but still) AS WELL AS THE FACTS and THEN form my opinions. Wise up, sir. |
Youre telling ME to wise up? Thats rich. You know, ive never seen you go liberal on ANYTHING. The above things you state, arent what you believe. You have never supported any of those points in the past, so that means youre just making them up to try to satisfy a counter-attack on my point. But that doesnt mean my point doesnt stand. I am right, you only believe republican views, no matter what they are. When Kerry kicked the holy hell out of Bush in the first debate, and even youre most valid poll site told that, you didnt believe it.
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Arellia
The Quiet One
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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Location: Dallas, TX
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| Sat Oct 16, 2004 3:32 pm |
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He has stood up on those subjects that he's not quite so far Right on. If you read his posts in death penalty topics, you'll see he's not so gung-ho on that, as, say, I am. I've known for a long time he's not against the current welfare program, and he has stated that his opinion on abortion is not an *absolute* no. (Although, it mostly is.) He uses Foxnews for a good deal of his information-gathering, which is a balanced news source, and he sites O'Reily, who is definitely not a conservative. His "attacks" usually seem to involve saying that something is right or wrong. It's a statement of opinion. And as I recall, in the "Political Terrorist" thread, he came to the agreement a majority of us did; that the people who committed the acts were rogues of the party. And most everyone agrees that Bush didn't do the best job in the first debate. Even at first, I wanted to say Bush won. Even though he didn't, for the most part.
I don't mean to speak for him. Really, I don't. But I had to say something here. He's vocally Right-wing, and very apparently proud to be so. I do wonder if people would be making such a fuss if he were just as much Left-wing.
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Republican_Man
STV's Premier Conservative
Joined: 26 Mar 2004
Posts: 14823
Location: Classified
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| Sun Oct 17, 2004 8:53 pm |
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| Defiant wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | 1. I hardly EVER have attacked a person, and if I do I apologize in virtually ALL cases (maybe one or two that hasn't happened.) |
You always attack people. You just dont view it as an attack apparently, to make yourself feel better. You attack people constantly. In fact, youre attacking me right now.
1. I don't see how I "always attack people." I don't see how I've done that.
2. I don't see how being adament about my views is an attack. I could just as easily say the same about you.
3. I am NOT attacking you.
| Republican_Man wrote: | | 2. I do NOT make things up. I base my opinions on facts and things that I hear from trusted sources. ALL of those factors combine to form my opinions. |
Republican sources. You are told by the republicans what to think, and do no thinking for yourself. How brainless is that?
1. Republican sources! Republican? NO. Sure, I get my info from FOX News, but they are DEFINITELY balanced (well, pretty close). I once got close to calling them Democratic-biased. They are SLIGHTLY to the right, but only slightly. Even LIBERALS watch and trust this source. It BEAT CNN and MSNBC COMBINED in its debate coverage.
2. I MAKE UP MY OWN OPINIONS! I do NOT think what I am "told to think." That, sir, is an attack, and with NO substantial backing.
| Republican_Man wrote: | | 3. I am NOT "close minded." There is a difference between being close-minded and adament in your views. I TAKE other opinions into account, and respect others' opinions. But with all due respect, I am NOT close-minded, and don't attack me by saying that I "disagree when people say that I'm wrong again," or whatever it is that you've said to that liking, because it's just not true. |
Yes, there is a difference between adamancy and close-mindedness. Too bad you are close minded. If you were simply adamant in your views, you might realise you were wrong once in awhile, and support the right side. But you never do. You never back down, especially if you have the absolute wrong side of the issue. Take into mind the political terrorist topic. EVERYONE told you that your point was wrong, yet you keep throwing it out.
1. I am NOT close minded! I was WRONG about saying that WMDs were in Iraq. I was WRONG about saying that Bush tells the whole truth all the time (he doesn't tell the truth about the borders)
2. I believe that I SUPPORT the right side. You think that you support the right side--well, I could just as easily say what you're saying to me to you.
3. I just said that I was rong in some cases.
4. I said that I AGREE with everyone on the political terrorist issue! You don't want to see that though, do you?
And unfortunately, the statement is absolutely true, you just wont admit it.
No, it is NOT true. You just think it is because of your little reality. You WANT me to admit something that is not true.
| Republican_Man wrote: | | 4. If I am strong in my views, I don't have to be Liberal. However, I tend to be more Liberal on the Death Penalty (only supporting it for terrorists), somewhat Liberal on welfare (I don't think it needs to be gone or close to it), I'm not COMPLETELY against Abortion, I believe in the government giving perscription drugs for seniors, as long as they spend less, I'm for giving amnesty to illegal aliens (AS LONG AS OUR BORDERS ARE SECURE) and I'm sure there are a few more issues that I lean a bit Liberal on. And I do NOT just believe what the Republicans "want me to believe!" Come on! Do you HAVE to attack me in that way? It's just not true. It's libel. I do NOT just believe "what the Republicans want me to believe." NO! I take a variety of opinions into account (given usually their Republican, but still) AS WELL AS THE FACTS and THEN form my opinions. Wise up, sir. |
Youre telling ME to wise up? Thats rich. You know, ive never seen you go liberal on ANYTHING. The above things you state, arent what you believe. You have never supported any of those points in the past, so that means youre just making them up to try to satisfy a counter-attack on my point. |
1. That is BALONEY. What I stated above IS what I believe, but you just DON'T want to see that! You're the one telling me these things and that I should open my eyes to these things--no, you should! Do you KNOW me? NO. You have NO right to tell me on those issues that I don't believe them, when in actuallity I DO.
2. No, I am NOT just saying that for my satisfaction! PLEASE, stop this attack, and I'll stop telling you to wise up, like you should.
3. I have stated similar arguements in the past and my view on abortion has changed from completely anti-abortion to one case since I've discussed it with other non-STV members in "real" life. (Real life , not really what I mean, but these boards are different...)
| Quote: | | But that doesnt mean my point doesnt stand. I am right, you only believe republican views, no matter what they are. When Kerry kicked the holy hell out of Bush in the first debate, and even youre most valid poll site told that, you didnt believe it |
1. I do NOT believe that you are right. You are not right. You just want to say that you are right.
2. I do NOT only believe Republican views. Tell me an issue that we haven't really talked about, and I'll give you a response. But either way, what's wrong with being adamently Republican? What's wrong with you being adamently Democrat? NOTHING.
3. I don't see it that way, and it's fine that I see that the first was a tie, but I do NOT use the polls to make my judgements there. If a poll says the first debate
Kerry 72%
Bush 24%
Tie 4%
I do NOT have to agree with it--I can see that most people believe that Kerry one, and I see that and say "Okay, so most think that," but I am NOT speaking about the polls, that if most say someone specific won a debate that I have to believe in the majority--no. I believe in who I think won, not another.
| Exalya wrote: | He has stood up on those subjects that he's not quite so far Right on. If you read his posts in death penalty topics, you'll see he's not so gung-ho on that, as, say, I am. I've known for a long time he's not against the current welfare program, and he has stated that his opinion on abortion is not an *absolute* no. (Although, it mostly is.)
EXACTLY. Thank you, my friend.
He uses Foxnews for a good deal of his information-gathering, which is a balanced news source, and he sites O'Reily, who is definitely not a conservative.
Yes, thank you.
His "attacks" usually seem to involve saying that something is right or wrong. It's a statement of opinion. And as I recall, in the "Political Terrorist" thread, he came to the agreement a majority of us did; that the people who committed the acts were rogues of the party. And most everyone agrees that Bush didn't do the best job in the first debate. Even at first, I wanted to say Bush won. Even though he didn't, for the most part.
Yes, I agree 100% EXACTLY.
I don't mean to speak for him. Really, I don't. But I had to say something here. He's vocally Right-wing, and very apparently proud to be so. I do wonder if people would be making such a fuss if he were just as much Left-wing. |
Thank you, my friend. And I know that you don't speak for me, I just like and agree with what you're saying here. 
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Republican_Man
STV's Premier Conservative
Joined: 26 Mar 2004
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| Sun Oct 17, 2004 9:24 pm |
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Oh, and I'm not sure where I stand on Stem Cells, but being that I have a family member that has a disease that could be healed by them, I am considering whether or not I agree with Kerry on using the Stem Cells from frozen Fetuses. I may agree with that.
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