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Republican_Man
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 Wed Oct 13, 2004 9:52 pm Who won the LAST Presidential Debate? |
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Who do you think won the last Presidential Debate?
I say: Bush. He did about the same as the 2nd one, most likely better. He had command of the issues. Even Mort Kondrache said that Bush won, and he said that he lost the 2nd Debate.
Now, a few things:
1) FINALLY Bush layed out MUCH of Kerry's record!
2) When Kerry talked about Cheney's gay daughter, it was a LOW BLOW. It was WRONG for him to use her for political, etc reasons!
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Arellia
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| Wed Oct 13, 2004 9:55 pm |
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Bush won, again. Kerry's personal Kryptonite: Optimism. Which Bush had. He also was very heart-felt in his speaking, and I think that will resonate well. And I definitely agree, Kerry should NOT have brought Cheney's daughter into it.
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Zeke Zabertini
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| Wed Oct 13, 2004 10:13 pm |
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Heh. Cheny is anti-daughter. That's awesome. Nah, I'm not gonna go there. Bush's optimism is more like fantasy, though. He's thinking things are impoving that aren't. I feel sorry for him, really. Bush isn't a terribly bad guy, but he has all these jokers around him feeding him false data. All that aside, my main concern with Kerry winning the election is that I don't want Bush electing a Supreme Court justice. Now that would be scary. Anyway, back to the debate. I think Bush did a lot better than he did in the previous two, but I disagree with his politics so much that I have to say Kerry won in my mind. That's probably a default, though.
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Republican_Man
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| Wed Oct 13, 2004 10:18 pm |
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| Zeke Zabertini wrote: | Heh. Cheny is anti-daughter. That's awesome.
Anti-daughter? What the heck is that all about?!!
Nah, I'm not gonna go there. Bush's optimism is more like fantasy, though.
Oh come on! There ARE many things to be optomistic about, and our President NEEDS optomism.
He's thinking things are impoving that aren't. I feel sorry for him, really. Bush isn't a terribly bad guy, but he has all these jokers around him feeding him false data.
1. He is NOT "thinking things are improving that aren't." That is BALONEY. He KNOWS what is improving, and he is RIGHT. That is, with all due respect, all crap. And they are NOT feeding him false data!
All that aside, my main concern with Kerry winning the election is that I don't want Bush electing a Supreme Court justice. Now that would be scary.
Oh come on! Well, I can see that you want activist liberal judges.
Anyway, back to the debate. I think Bush did a lot better than he did in the previous two, but I disagree with his politics so much that I have to say Kerry won in my mind. That's probably a default, though. |
Yeah, not an extreme amount better than the 2nd, but better.
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Zeke Zabertini
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| Wed Oct 13, 2004 10:36 pm |
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You quote replies interestingly.
I agree that our president needs to be optimistic, but not illusioned. Bush has a lot of major issues to deal with, and he's being way too casual about them. His solutions are overly simplistic and unilateral. If you believe that he is not recieving a lot of false data, you would do well to watch the news. Preferably not Fox News, as they are incredibly biased (despite their slogan). As for judges, I don't care much if they are activists, but I don't want a Supreme Court that's liable to allow conservative policy to rule in law. As for the anti-daughter statement, I told you I wasn't going to go there. It would start a war of words and take us completely off the debate topic.
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Republican_Man
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| Wed Oct 13, 2004 10:39 pm |
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| Zeke Zabertini wrote: | You quote replies interestingly.
I agree that our president needs to be optimistic, but not illusioned.
No. He's not.
Bush has a lot of major issues to deal with, and he's being way too casual about them. His solutions are overly simplistic and unilateral.
I disagree.
If you believe that he is not recieving a lot of false data, you would do well to watch the news. Preferably not Fox News, as they are incredibly biased (despite their slogan).
Oh come on! If anything is biased it's CNN! FOX News is HARDLY biased. It IS HARDLY biased! And you know what? That's the only place that you can GET the truth. CNN etc make things seem WORSE THAN THEY ARE, so if ANYONE should watch different news, it's you.
As for judges, I don't care much if they are activists, but I don't want a Supreme Court that's liable to allow conservative policy to rule in law. As for the anti-daughter statement, I told you I wasn't going to go there. It would start a war of words and take us completely off the debate topic. |
Oh, sure, you would prefer a Conservative.
And HOW IS CHENEY ANTI-DAUGHTER!!!??? EXPLAIN THAT.
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Zeke Zabertini
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| Wed Oct 13, 2004 10:46 pm |
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If you're going to send me a PM asking me, then don't be redundant here; especially since I've declined to elaborate here. Arguing your points would be futile, as they are matters of opinion and not fact. I disagree is the best that I can do.
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Republican_Man
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| Wed Oct 13, 2004 10:48 pm |
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| Zeke Zabertini wrote: | | If you're going to send me a PM asking me, then don't be redundant here; especially since I've declined to elaborate here. Arguing your points would be futile, as they are matters of opinion and not fact. I disagree is the best that I can do. |
I posted that before I PMed you 
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CJ Cregg
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| Thu Oct 14, 2004 10:31 am |
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| Quote: | Kerry Wins Third Debate
RINCETON, NJ -- Sen. John Kerry won the third and final presidential debate Wednesday night, 52% to 39%, according to a CNN/USA Today/Gallup survey of registered voters who watched the event.
About 4 in 10 viewers said they felt more favorable about the senator because of the debate, a third more than said that about President George W. Bush. Kerry also beat the president by double digits on being able to handle the issue of healthcare, expressing himself clearly, showing he cares about the needs of people, and having a good understanding of the issues.
The poll was conducted immediately after the end of the debate, at 10:30 p.m. Eastern time, among a random sample of 511 registered voters who had previously told Gallup they would be willing to be interviewed after the debate. Respondents indicated before the debate that they supported Kerry by 51% to 47%, though party affiliation was evenly divided among Republicans and Democrats, 36% each, with 28% independents.
The 13-point margin in Kerry's favor was slightly smaller than his 16-point margin of victory measured after the first debate, but better than the virtual tie after the second debate (Kerry 47%, Bush 45%).
http://www.gallup.com/poll/content/?ci=13642
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| Thu Oct 14, 2004 10:42 am |
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Kerry had it in the bag. I cant believe when George Bush tried to attack Kerry about the Iraq War in 1990. Oh good job Bush, because Kerry voted the same way your daddy did.
Oh, Of the chunk that I was paying attention to for my class (10 questions), Bush completely didnt answer 5 of them. 5! He avoided questions like mad. Starting ranting about something completlely unrealated. Kerry avoided 2.
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Zeke Zabertini
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| Thu Oct 14, 2004 2:25 pm |
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Yeah. I think that Kerry's comment about Dick Cheney's daughter was inappropriate, though. He alienated a lot of people with that one. Besides that, I thought he did very well.
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Defiant
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| Thu Oct 14, 2004 4:55 pm |
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When Edwards threw it at Cheney, it was even worse. Especially since Cheney just said nothing.
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:06 pm |
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| Defiant wrote: | Kerry had it in the bag. I cant believe when George Bush tried to attack Kerry about the Iraq War in 1990. Oh good job Bush, because Kerry voted the same way your daddy did.
1. It was RIGHT to attack him on that. Kerry was WRONG then, as he's wrong now. Bush made GREAT points there, and throughout the debate.
2. Oh, and you're wrong. Bush's dad TOOK US TO WAR. Kerry did what Bush's dad DIDN'T--was AGAINST the war.
Oh, Of the chunk that I was paying attention to for my class (10 questions), Bush completely didnt answer 5 of them. 5! He avoided questions like mad. Starting ranting about something completlely unrealated. Kerry avoided 2. |
Yeah, sure, whatever. Either way, Bush won good.
| Zeke Zabertini wrote: | | Yeah. I think that Kerry's comment about Dick Cheney's daughter was inappropriate, though. He alienated a lot of people with that one. Besides that, I thought he did very well. |
Bah!  And yes, it was. It was a LOW BROW attack and WRONG to do.
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Puck
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| Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:27 pm |
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I think Bush won. I have seen polls that say otherwise, but in my opinion he won, if I was undecided before (which I wasn't...was just growing uncertain) he got my vote with that.
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:28 pm |
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | I think Bush won. I have seen polls that say otherwise, but in my opinion he won, if I was undecided before (which I wasn't...was just growing uncertain) he got my vote with that. |
See! A Kerry supporter!
Why the change?
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Puck
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| Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:31 pm |
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Oh I am a Kerry supporter, just not Kerry for America. Look at the flag in the middle. 
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:32 pm |
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | Oh I am a Kerry supporter, just not Kerry for America. Look at the flag in the middle. |
lol, yeah! I see it--and I love it! lol!
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| Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:47 pm |
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Both did decent. Nothing big or new here. I fell asleep haflway.
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Hitchhiker
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| Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:53 pm |
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| Founder wrote: | | Both did decent. Nothing big or new here. I fell asleep haflway. |
I didn't watch all of the debate, but I watched the last half hour and most of the questions weren't very difficult ones. At this point, both candidates are trying to smooth their images and appeal to the voters--they've already had their chance to state their views on the big topics and are now focusing on staying strong and keeping their momentum until Election Day.
I don't know what the first part of the debate was like, but the last half hour was: Kerry talked around his point (if he had a point) until you were thoroughly confused about what the original question was in the first place (and Bush stood there blinking at Kerry, rightly confused as to what Kerry was talking about). Bush, I noticed, pounded the podium a lot for emphasis and gave concise answers. So overall, I think that Bush actually answered more questions, although from what I've read about he debates, both candidates dodged quite a few early on in the evening.
And with these easy questions, its rather unfair to the candidate who goes second. For example, the question about "How do you feel about the strong women who surround you", Bush got to answer first, so all Kerry could do was echo and dance around the same point--it was either that or disagree, which wouldn't be very good considering the nature of the question.
Oh, and they turn off the opposing candidate's microphone. It's not really a debate, it's a public-speaking forum . . .
((Hmm . . . I think this is the longest post I've ever written about the Presidental election . . .))
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| Fri Oct 15, 2004 7:51 am |
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Democrats, I have a question: Why do you discuss about this at all? You know RM isn't gonna change his point of view, he's just gonna say "VOTE BUSH YOU DUMBASSES! BUSH IS RIGHT AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS WRONG! WHAAA! IF YOUR OPINION DIFFERS EVEN SLIGHTLY FROM MINE I WILL VERBALLY KILL YOU!" RM, please, open your front door. Thank you.
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Arellia
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| Fri Oct 15, 2004 12:49 pm |
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Hey, hey. RM has a very vehement opinion, and he makes a point of stating it. Yeah, he's very vocal about his opinions. The Democrats don't appear to be changing their points of view, either. Since when is it bad to have your own opinion? *sighs* This business of always being "politically correct" and watering down one's opinions to make other people happy is really starting to bug me. RM is very confident in what he believes. I see this as a good thing.
And further, since when has RM said "Dumbasses?"
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Defiant
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| Fri Oct 15, 2004 3:16 pm |
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No, RM states his opinion (wrong or right), attacks everyone who doesnt believe what he does, even makes things up and is completely closed minded about all the issues. Ive NEVER seen him go liberal on a topic, which means he only believes what the republicans tell him to believe. That I have no respect for.
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Oct 15, 2004 5:07 pm |
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| Five - seveN wrote: | | Democrats, I have a question: Why do you discuss about this at all? You know RM isn't gonna change his point of view, he's just gonna say "VOTE BUSH YOU DUMBASSES! BUSH IS RIGHT AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS WRONG! WHAAA! IF YOUR OPINION DIFFERS EVEN SLIGHTLY FROM MINE I WILL VERBALLY KILL YOU!" RM, please, open your front door. Thank you. |
Oh come on! Please!
A) I have NEVER said "Dumbass" on these forums or ANYWHERE, even in real life. Heck, I've only said the a-word about 5 times, the h-word about 8, the F-word once (about Hitler), both b-words like 3 times, etc. That's ALL I've used back language for. I've "bleeped out" things about 4 times--but only ONCE have I said something including that to someone else--and that was my mistake with Dappet on 9/11, which I DEEPLY apologized for.
B) I don't see myself as verbally killing someone. I just have strong views, as...
| Exalya wrote: | Hey, hey. RM has a very vehement opinion, and he makes a point of stating it. Yeah, he's very vocal about his opinions. The Democrats don't appear to be changing their points of view, either. Since when is it bad to have your own opinion? *sighs* This business of always being "politically correct" and watering down one's opinions to make other people happy is really starting to bug me. RM is very confident in what he believes. I see this as a good thing.
And further, since when has RM said "Dumbasses?" |
Thank you, Exalya. Yes, I am vocal about opinions, and yes, I don't see the Dems really changing their views either. Yes, I agree it has to do with "political correctness," which is all baloney.
However, I agree with all of that...
| Defiant wrote: | | No, RM states his opinion (wrong or right), attacks everyone who doesnt believe what he does, even makes things up and is completely closed minded about all the issues. Ive NEVER seen him go liberal on a topic, which means he only believes what the republicans tell him to believe. That I have no respect for. |
1. I hardly EVER have attacked a person, and if I do I apologize in virtually ALL cases (maybe one or two that hasn't happened.)
2. I do NOT make things up. I base my opinions on facts and things that I hear from trusted sources. ALL of those factors combine to form my opinions.
3. I am NOT "close minded." There is a difference between being close-minded and adament in your views. I TAKE other opinions into account, and respect others' opinions. But with all due respect, I am NOT close-minded, and don't attack me by saying that I "disagree when people say that I'm wrong again," or whatever it is that you've said to that liking, because it's just not true.
4. If I am strong in my views, I don't have to be Liberal. However, I tend to be more Liberal on the Death Penalty (only supporting it for terrorists), somewhat Liberal on welfare (I don't think it needs to be gone or close to it), I'm not COMPLETELY against Abortion, I believe in the government giving perscription drugs for seniors, as long as they spend less, I'm for giving amnesty to illegal aliens (AS LONG AS OUR BORDERS ARE SECURE) and I'm sure there are a few more issues that I lean a bit Liberal on. And I do NOT just believe what the Republicans "want me to believe!" Come on! Do you HAVE to attack me in that way? It's just not true. It's libel. I do NOT just believe "what the Republicans want me to believe." NO! I take a variety of opinions into account (given usually their Republican, but still) AS WELL AS THE FACTS and THEN form my opinions. Wise up, sir.
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sabertooth1217
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| Fri Oct 15, 2004 9:20 pm Re: Who won the LAST Presidential Debate? |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | When Kerry talked about Cheney's gay daughter, it was a LOW BLOW. It was WRONG for him to use her for political, etc reasons! |
Agreed.
I voted for Kerry.
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Five - seveN
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| Sat Oct 16, 2004 12:27 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Five - seveN wrote: | | Democrats, I have a question: Why do you discuss about this at all? You know RM isn't gonna change his point of view, he's just gonna say "VOTE BUSH YOU DUMBASSES! BUSH IS RIGHT AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS WRONG! WHAAA! IF YOUR OPINION DIFFERS EVEN SLIGHTLY FROM MINE I WILL VERBALLY KILL YOU!" RM, please, open your front door. Thank you. |
Oh come on! Please!
A) I have NEVER said "Dumbass" on these forums or ANYWHERE, even in real life. Heck, I've only said the a-word about 5 times, the h-word about 8, the F-word once (about Hitler), both b-words like 3 times, etc. That's ALL I've used back language for. I've "bleeped out" things about 4 times--but only ONCE have I said something including that to someone else--and that was my mistake with Dappet on 9/11, which I DEEPLY apologized for.
B) I don't see myself as verbally killing someone. I just have strong views, as... |
Look! Look! There he goes again!
I didn't mean it that literally, and, if you did say it a few times, I wouldn't really care. Wat matters is why you say it. I use the word myself, too, as you have probably noticed from that post...
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