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Defiant
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 Sat Oct 09, 2004 2:36 am Gallup is NOT an equal and fair polling site |
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The leader of gallup is a major right wing religious right conservative. Hes even been quoted as saying hes using his site to promote god. What do you think he would do when he hears Bush say god bless? Put the pollin favor of him of course.
GALLUP IS BIASED ALL TO HELL.
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Founder
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| Sat Oct 09, 2004 5:00 am |
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Of course you don't like it. It supports Republicans. I bet you didn't complain this much when Farenheit 9/11 came out......... 
Well if you can hate it. I can love it.
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Zeke Zabertini
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| Sat Oct 09, 2004 10:11 am |
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Excellent points, both of you. This would confirm my suspicions of Gallup. Defiant, do you have an actual research source that you can cite?
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Link, the Hero of Time
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| Sat Oct 09, 2004 11:11 am |
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Hmm... Well looks like we have a site that rivals the very much disliked Moveon.org.
and just a note, I hated Farenheit 9/11. I saw it as the bunch of BS it was. though it tried to make some good points.
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Defiant
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Arellia
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| Sat Oct 09, 2004 1:43 pm |
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*ahem*
Gallup's poll was in favor of Kerry having won the last presidential debate. (Bush 45%, Kerry 47%) Again, I'm having a problem seeing the real impact of ONE polling organization. It's the trend of many that's worth looking at. *sighs* Ah, well.
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Zeke Zabertini
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| Sat Oct 09, 2004 2:46 pm |
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Exalya: No trouble. It doesn't have much impact. My only concern with it is that RM was playing it off as a trusted and unbiased polling agency. It is, apparently, not. What is interesting to me is the way in which it supposedly is biased. I would very much like to have a source other than christianparty.net.
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Republican_Man
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| Sat Oct 09, 2004 5:27 pm |
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| Defiant wrote: | The leader of gallup is a major right wing religious right conservative. Hes even been quoted as saying hes using his site to promote god. What do you think he would do when he hears Bush say god bless? Put the pollin favor of him of course.
GALLUP IS BIASED ALL TO HELL.
The things you learn in English class! (yes, I researched it myself too) |
Alright. I know ALL about that, and the fact is that Gallup Jr. is NO LONGER INCHARGE OF THE COMPANY! O'Reilly, I believe, debunked that in an interview with a Gallup representative.
| Founder wrote: | Of course you don't like it. It supports Republicans. I bet you didn't complain this much when Farenheit 9/11 came out.........
Well if you can hate it. I can love it. |
I disagree. Gallup does NOT support Republicans! It is FAIR.
| Link, the Hero of Time wrote: | Hmm... Well looks like we have a site that rivals the very much disliked Moveon.org.
and just a note, I hated Farenheit 9/11. I saw it as the bunch of BS it was. though it tried to make some good points. |
lol, yay! A Lib finally gets it!
| Exalya wrote: | *ahem*
Gallup's poll was in favor of Kerry having won the last presidential debate. (Bush 45%, Kerry 47%) Again, I'm having a problem seeing the real impact of ONE polling organization. It's the trend of many that's worth looking at. *sighs* Ah, well. |
Good point.
| Zeke Zabertini wrote: | | Exalya: No trouble. It doesn't have much impact. My only concern with it is that RM was playing it off as a trusted and unbiased polling agency. It is, apparently, not. What is interesting to me is the way in which it supposedly is biased. I would very much like to have a source other than christianparty.net. |
1. Perhaps it is SLIGHTLY biased, although I doubt it.
2. I believe in trends, but if Gallup or Zogby has a HUGE lead, then I trust it fully.
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Defiant
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| Sat Oct 09, 2004 6:37 pm |
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Well, other sources are available...
And your point is invalid RM. Gallup has always showed democrats as appx. 5% over, and repubs as appx. 3.5% below. That was proven too.
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Zeke Zabertini
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| Sat Oct 09, 2004 10:11 pm |
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I do not intend to be a part of this debate any longer. I feel that I have enough data (or rather, enough of a lack of it) to make my decision.
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Phade
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| Sat Oct 09, 2004 11:12 pm |
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All polls, Gallup or otherwise are all biased in one way or another. They are made to to skew the results to show what they are trying to prove. Well, at least that has been my expirences with them, and also the research that I have seen on them. Not surprising that Gallup would be different.
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Defiant
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| Sat Oct 09, 2004 11:54 pm |
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The point here is that Gallup used to be respected, and that RM is saying it is the most fair and unbiased poll system out there, and he couldnt be farther from the truth.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Oct 10, 2004 10:58 am |
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| Defiant wrote: | | The point here is that Gallup used to be respected, and that RM is saying it is the most fair and unbiased poll system out there, and he couldnt be farther from the truth. |
No, that IS the truth. And let me make this clear, something that I've said from the beginning: Polls do NOT show much. I don't trust them too much. However, when Gallup or Zogby have something, then they are CLOSER to the truth--ESPECIALLY when one candidate has a 13-point lead.
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Defiant
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| Sun Oct 10, 2004 1:39 pm |
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I know that polls mean nothing. The only thing that counts is the final tally of the votes. But if you are to rely on a polling system, Gallup is NOT the one. They are biased all to hell, and they misrepresent data on a regular basis. That is why they should not be trusted. The first part of argument is credibility, in which Gallup has none.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Oct 10, 2004 2:54 pm |
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| Defiant wrote: | | I know that polls mean nothing. The only thing that counts is the final tally of the votes. But if you are to rely on a polling system, Gallup is NOT the one. They are biased all to hell, and they misrepresent data on a regular basis. That is why they should not be trusted. The first part of argument is credibility, in which Gallup has none. |
I agree more and more with you after talking with my Republican contact.
I discovered:
A. Zogby is not to be trusted, primarily because it is INTERNET.
B. Gallup, if anything, is LIBERAL biased.
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Defiant
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| Sun Oct 10, 2004 4:32 pm |
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Ooh, a republican contact? Like an informant? Do tell...
Yes, and with liberal bias, comes the illusion that they are winning, which makes the repubs work even harder to get more votes. And it also gives the democrats the illusion of winning, so they take it easy a little...
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D_Star
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| Sun Oct 10, 2004 4:39 pm |
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Zogby is probably the most accurate.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Oct 10, 2004 5:25 pm |
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| Defiant wrote: | Ooh, a republican contact? Like an informant? Do tell...
Yes, and with liberal bias, comes the illusion that they are winning, which makes the repubs work even harder to get more votes. And it also gives the democrats the illusion of winning, so they take it easy a little... |
Well, a person involved in the Republican party. I've gone to all the Republican events that I've gone to with him, and so he knows much and is very involved--but not quite an informant.
And I'm not so sure about that. However, I disagree that Zogby is that trustworthy, as I've discovered that it's an Internet poll and yada yada yada. Still, it's somewhat trustworthy, and although Gallup is slightly Liberal biased, I think it's the most accurate.
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Defiant
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| Mon Oct 11, 2004 2:24 am |
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It is the farthest from the most accurate you can get. It is completely faked from proven sources and from results of ballot measures and major issues.
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