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Republican_Man
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| Dirt wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Exalya wrote: | | But it IS alive. It requires energy to perform functions, it is biological, it will become, and IS a child. I have a hard time seeing it as anything but. I understand some people don't see it that way. IT IS STILL A LIFE. |
Exactly, and as Kerry's most recent belief states (at least I think it's so) Life begins AT CONCEPTION. |
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Does it matter? I was just quoting (I should have used quotes though) Kerry's latest, is it? I don't know--it's hard to keep track--statement to make my belief said.
And stop using the " 's" to cover up your attacks
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Arellia
The Quiet One
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| Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:38 pm |
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A fetus is not a seed! It's a biological lifeform. BIOLOGICAL! If we went around killing HORSE fetuses someone from PETA would be out yelling and protesting, I assure you. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A HUMAN.
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Republican_Man
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| Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:39 pm |
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| Exalya wrote: | | A fetus is not a seed! It's a biological lifeform. BIOLOGICAL! If we went around killing HORSE fetuses someone from PETA would be out yelling and protesting, I assure you. |
SUPERB point. There is a difference--an APPARENT one at that--between a seed and a biological lifeform, alright? It IS a lifeform!
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Dirt
Exercise Boy
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| Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:42 pm |
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So is bacteria, and a whole lot of other things.... no problem killing those
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Arellia
The Quiet One
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| Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:43 pm |
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BIG DIFFERENCE!!!! I grow bacteria at my JOB. It is not a THINKING organism. It is NOT Human. It will never BECOME anything.
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Dirt
Exercise Boy
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| Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:44 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Dirt wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Exalya wrote: | | But it IS alive. It requires energy to perform functions, it is biological, it will become, and IS a child. I have a hard time seeing it as anything but. I understand some people don't see it that way. IT IS STILL A LIFE. |
Exactly, and as Kerry's most recent belief states (at least I think it's so) Life begins AT CONCEPTION. |
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Does it matter? I was just quoting (I should have used quotes though) Kerry's latest, is it? I don't know--it's hard to keep track--statement to make my belief said.
And stop using the " 's" to cover up your attacks |
I'm not attacking you, And yes it does matter, if I go quote my prime minister on it, you could care less.
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Republican_Man
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| Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:45 pm |
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| Dirt wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Dirt wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Exalya wrote: | | But it IS alive. It requires energy to perform functions, it is biological, it will become, and IS a child. I have a hard time seeing it as anything but. I understand some people don't see it that way. IT IS STILL A LIFE. |
Exactly, and as Kerry's most recent belief states (at least I think it's so) Life begins AT CONCEPTION. |
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Does it matter? I was just quoting (I should have used quotes though) Kerry's latest, is it? I don't know--it's hard to keep track--statement to make my belief said.
And stop using the " 's" to cover up your attacks |
I'm not attacking you, And yes it does matter, if I go quote my prime minister on it, you could care less. |
He had just stated what I believe, okay? You can do that to illustrate that it's your belief if you want 
I agree, Exalya.
And also, STOP USING THE 's. They MEAN NOTHING. Your attacks are attacks. Why use the 's? If they are jokes, then they are PRETTY bad ones, to say the least.
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Dirt
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| Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:45 pm |
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| Exalya wrote: | | BIG DIFFERENCE!!!! I grow bacteria at my JOB. It is not a THINKING organism. It is NOT Human. It will never BECOME anything. |
But your fetus (almost typed fetish  ) isn't a lifeform yet to soooooooooome, not me personally!
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Dirt
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| Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:49 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Dirt wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Dirt wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Exalya wrote: | | But it IS alive. It requires energy to perform functions, it is biological, it will become, and IS a child. I have a hard time seeing it as anything but. I understand some people don't see it that way. IT IS STILL A LIFE. |
Exactly, and as Kerry's most recent belief states (at least I think it's so) Life begins AT CONCEPTION. |
And I am from America? |
Does it matter? I was just quoting (I should have used quotes though) Kerry's latest, is it? I don't know--it's hard to keep track--statement to make my belief said.
And stop using the " 's" to cover up your attacks |
I'm not attacking you, And yes it does matter, if I go quote my prime minister on it, you could care less. |
He had just stated what I believe, okay? You can do that to illustrate that it's your belief if you want
I agree, Exalya.
And also, STOP USING THE 's. They MEAN NOTHING. Your attacks are attacks. Why use the 's? If they are jokes, then they are PRETTY bad ones, to say the least. |
Yeah, I've been told that before. Ask pah wraith. Stop getting upset about smilies!
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Founder
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| Wed Oct 06, 2004 11:15 pm |
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| Dirt wrote: | | *Makes point for the third time* it's not dieing if it's not alive |
Dude your sick. It will be alive. Stop trying to justify killing a baby.
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Arellia
The Quiet One
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| Wed Oct 06, 2004 11:37 pm |
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| Dirt wrote: | | Exalya wrote: | | BIG DIFFERENCE!!!! I grow bacteria at my JOB. It is not a THINKING organism. It is NOT Human. It will never BECOME anything. |
But your fetus (almost typed fetish ) isn't a lifeform yet to soooooooooome, not me personally! |
News: It either IS, or it ISN'T, and it IS!!!
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Dirt
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| Thu Oct 07, 2004 5:39 am |
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It's not conscious of it's excistance, so it's not murder. But I see this is ending up in "is toooooooo" "is nooooooot" but once again, it's not my personal view...
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Kyre
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| Thu Oct 07, 2004 7:09 am |
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| Exalya wrote: | | Dirt wrote: | | Exalya wrote: | | BIG DIFFERENCE!!!! I grow bacteria at my JOB. It is not a THINKING organism. It is NOT Human. It will never BECOME anything. |
But your fetus (almost typed fetish ) isn't a lifeform yet to soooooooooome, not me personally! |
News: It either IS, or it ISN'T, and it IS!!! |
I'm almost bowing down to such a fine example of arrogance. If I were taking part in this discussion in any tangible form, I would be on your side because of this one sentence.
And, either Dirt is a genuine *beep*, or he's doing a superb job of trolling. Bravo, if it's the latter. And in actual fact, bravo it's the former, too. I don't see many about these days.
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Dirt
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Aww, it's the latter.
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Jeremy
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Ok, I just saw this. Dirt, please stop annoying the other users through the deliberate use of smilies and so on when they have asked you to stop. Next time I see some deliberatly it will be a warning.
Kyre, can you keep your language clean please.
Remember this is supposed to be where you state your opinions and facts to support them, not somewhere to start a figher or make little comments about each other.
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Dirt
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| Thu Oct 07, 2004 9:23 am |
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Tss, then go ahead and warn me for the use of smilies. I don't do it to annoy users, I use them everywhere.
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Arellia
The Quiet One
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| Thu Oct 07, 2004 10:05 am |
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| Kyre wrote: | | Exalya wrote: |
News: It either IS, or it ISN'T, and it IS!!! |
I'm almost bowing down to such a fine example of arrogance. If I were taking part in this discussion in any tangible form, I would be on your side because of this one sentence.
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*sighs* Yeah, yeah. Sorry. I was trying to make my point. Point is that there is no in between. There is an answer to whether or not fetuses are living or not. It is not some arbitrary difference of opinion. It's the difference between fact and fiction. Fetuses are a biological lifeform, and more than that, a Human lifeform, with Human DNA. Now...how is this not a lifeform? I fail to see it.
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ILoveHarry
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| Thu Oct 07, 2004 4:23 pm |
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Well.... granted it will EVENTUALLY be a person, good point. However, if we are going that route; Men should not be allowed to.... er.... "help themselves," since their sperm is essencially being wasted. The sperm would also eventually become children if given the chance.
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Founder
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| Thu Oct 07, 2004 4:38 pm |
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| ILoveHarry wrote: | | Well.... granted it will EVENTUALLY be a person, good point. However, if we are going that route; Men should not be allowed to.... er.... "help themselves," since their sperm is essencially being wasted. The sperm would also eventually become children if given the chance. |
Thats the worst comparison ever. Women actually have a Human life growing in them. Sperm is part of what makes a Human life not the whole thing. Sperm doesn't become Human by-itself.
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Oct 07, 2004 4:47 pm |
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| Founder wrote: | | Dirt wrote: | | *Makes point for the third time* it's not dieing if it's not alive |
Dude your sick. It will be alive. Stop trying to justify killing a baby. |
Agreed. To justify it is evil.
| Exalya wrote: | | Dirt wrote: | | Exalya wrote: | | BIG DIFFERENCE!!!! I grow bacteria at my JOB. It is not a THINKING organism. It is NOT Human. It will never BECOME anything. |
But your fetus (almost typed fetish ) isn't a lifeform yet to soooooooooome, not me personally! |
News: It either IS, or it ISN'T, and it IS!!! |
EXACTLY.
| Dirt wrote: | | It's not conscious of it's excistance, so it's not murder. But I see this is ending up in "is toooooooo" "is nooooooot" but once again, it's not my personal view... |
Stop doing these damned 's, you buckle head (just wanted to say that ) Come on! You're using won during a debate about MURDER. Come on, man! And btw, you are WRONG.
| Jeremy wrote: | Ok, I just saw this. Dirt, please stop annoying the other users through the deliberate use of smilies and so on when they have asked you to stop. Next time I see some deliberatly it will be a warning.
Kyre, can you keep your language clean please.
Remember this is supposed to be where you state your opinions and facts to support them, not somewhere to start a figher or make little comments about each other. |
Yes, please and thank you.
| Exalya wrote: | | Kyre wrote: | | Exalya wrote: |
News: It either IS, or it ISN'T, and it IS!!! |
I'm almost bowing down to such a fine example of arrogance. If I were taking part in this discussion in any tangible form, I would be on your side because of this one sentence.
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*sighs* Yeah, yeah. Sorry. I was trying to make my point. Point is that there is no in between. There is an answer to whether or not fetuses are living or not. It is not some arbitrary difference of opinion. It's the difference between fact and fiction. Fetuses are a biological lifeform, and more than that, a Human lifeform, with Human DNA. Now...how is this not a lifeform? I fail to see it. |
Agreed. Couldn't have said it better myself.
| Founder wrote: | | ILoveHarry wrote: | | Well.... granted it will EVENTUALLY be a person, good point. However, if we are going that route; Men should not be allowed to.... er.... "help themselves," since their sperm is essencially being wasted. The sperm would also eventually become children if given the chance. |
Thats the worst comparison ever. Women actually have a Human life growing in them. Sperm is part of what makes a Human life not the whole thing. Sperm doesn't become Human by-itself. |
Whoo! Perfect!
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Dirt
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| Thu Oct 07, 2004 5:00 pm |
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yeah I agree, good point! Oh, I made such an impact now didn't I? Oh, seems I forgot to quote you...
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Zeke Zabertini
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Pro-abortion, pro-death penalty. The world needs it, the individual needs it. Morality argues against it. Morals have no place in policy. Practicality is all that matters. I'm all for compassion, but a lump of cells that have the relative intelligence and worth of an amoeba do not have my sympathy, no matter what their potential to develop into a human being.
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Kyre
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| Fri Oct 08, 2004 5:46 pm |
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| Zeke Zabertini wrote: | | Morals have no place in policy. Practicality is all that matters.. |
By taking this path of logic, Saddam Hussein was the worlds greatest leader. He almost managed to remove UN sanctions on Iraq, and consequently breath life into it's economy, by exploiting the Oil-for-Food programme. It was genius. Of course he had to ignore the millions of suffering Iraqis, but as you say, morals have no place in this domain.
The world does not need abortion, it needs a deeper understanding of what it means to be human. Unfortunately that can't be transmitted to enough people. Abortion is an exploited "luxury".
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LightningBoy
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| ILoveHarry wrote: | | So instead women will be forced to go to the alleys to get unsafe abortions. Wow. Smart. |
Every woman who does that should be executed as well. Too extreme? Too bad! I'm not going to let myself be castrated by the Liberal Murderers who support this slaughter. I'm going to say it as it is.
An unjust killing is inexcusable, no matter what the situation. That baby is alive, it is individual, it should have the freedoms that the US constitution guarantees.
Anyone who supports abortion is Heartless and Ingorant. Maternal instincts are not to kill your baby. Any mother that chooses abortion is no better than Sadam Hussein, the torture they inflict on a baby, a BABY, is just as bad as ANYTHING that ANY terrorist dictator has done in the past.
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Founder
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| Sat Oct 09, 2004 4:58 am |
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| Zeke Zabertini wrote: | | Pro-abortion, pro-death penalty. The world needs it, the individual needs it. Morality argues against it. Morals have no place in policy. Practicality is all that matters. I'm all for compassion, but a lump of cells that have the relative intelligence and worth of an amoeba do not have my sympathy, no matter what their potential to develop into a human being. |
I bet you're pretty glad your parents felt you were a little more than "a lump of cells" eh?
Or you wouldn't be here saying its ok to kill them.....
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