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Puck
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 Tue Oct 05, 2004 10:45 pm Report: 30 States Ready to Outlaw Abortion |
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Report: 30 States Ready to Outlaw Abortion
Tuesday, October 05, 2004
WASHINGTON � Thirty states are poised to make abortion illegal within a year if the Supreme Court (search) reversed its 1973 ruling establishing a woman's legal right to an abortion, an advocacy group said Tuesday.
The pro-abortion Center for Reproductive Rights said some states have old laws on the books that would be triggered by the overturning of the landmark Roe v. Wade (search) decision. Others have language in their state constitutions or strongly anti-abortion legislatures that would act quickly if the federal protection for abortion was ended and the issue reverted to the states.
"The building blocks are already in place to recriminalize abortion," said Nancy Northup, the center's president.
The group's report comes less than a month before the presidential election, which those on both sides of the abortion issue say will be critical in determining the future of the Roe decision.
Currently, it is believed that five of the nine justices support abortion rights (search), but that balance could be tipped if President Bush, in a second term, nominates a new justice who reflects his anti-abortion views. Democratic contender John Kerry is a strong supporter of abortion rights.
The center found that 18 states had pre-Roe laws totally or partially banning abortion. In some cases those laws have been blocked by a court, but could easily be revived if Roe were overturned. Alabama is one state where the abortion ban was never enjoined by the courts, and could be immediately enforced.
Other states such as Ohio don't have abortion bans, but both the legislature and the governor oppose abortion and without Roe there would likely be a rush to pass legislation banning abortion, the center said.
It concluded that 21 states are at high risk, and nine states at middle risk, of banning abortion within a year of Roe being overturned. More than 70 million women of childbearing age would be affected, the center said.
Another 20 states, including Massachusetts, which has a pre-Roe ban, would likely retain abortion rights because of other statutory protections or the makeup of their legislatures.
"We are really, I think, in some peril now," said Rep. Louise Slaughter, D-N.Y., one of 11 abortion rights lawmakers to attend the center's Capitol Hill news conference.
The only Republican was Rep. Chris Shays, R-Conn., who said that Roe v. Wade was "an extraordinarily important document" and "we need to elect more pro-choice Republicans to the Congress."
The 21 states considered at high risk of banning abortion were: Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Delaware, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Nebraska, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas, Utah, Virginia and Wisconsin.
The nine at middle risk: Arizona, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, New Hampshire and Pennsylvania.
The 20 at lower risk: Alaska, California, Connecticut, Florida, Hawaii, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Montana, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Tennessee, Vermont, Washington, West Virginia and Wyoming.
The Center for Reproductive Rights, on its Web site, says it "is a non-profit legal advocacy organization dedicated to promoting and defending women's reproductive rights worldwide."
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I am glad to here that Texas is one of the most likely to be one to ban it. This is moving in the right direction, hopefully it keeps up.
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Republican_Man
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| Tue Oct 05, 2004 11:54 pm |
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Yes! Finally!
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Dirt
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| Wed Oct 06, 2004 3:48 am |
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Silly yankees, whatever happened to home of the free? 
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Defiant
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| Wed Oct 06, 2004 4:29 am |
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There is no way in hell Oregon will vote abortion as illegal.
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Founder
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| Wed Oct 06, 2004 3:00 pm |
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| Dirt wrote: | | Silly yankees, whatever happened to home of the free? |
Uh freedom stops at killing babies. 
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ILoveHarry
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| Wed Oct 06, 2004 3:16 pm |
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So instead women will be forced to go to the alleys to get unsafe abortions. Wow. Smart.
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| Wed Oct 06, 2004 3:41 pm |
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No offense to woman but uh maybe they should stop having unsafe sex!
Look I think we should keep abortions in cases of Rape or if the mothers life is in danger not because two teenagers wanted to reinact a scene from Dawson's Creek. I can see both arguments because killing babies is wrong! You can't argue that and if you do then you're sick! Now when there are certain cases that can't be helped like I stated then its something that is needed. Also what if a Teenager does have a baby? Then she has to drop out of school and have the worst life for herself and the baby. I understand that forcing them to have the baby is not the most ideal choice, which is why im torn on this subject, but maybe they should stop f&^%$#g so damn much! Lets stop trying to blame Bush, or politics for that matter for one minute and remember this. Its the people's fault ok? They are the ones having sex eighter too young or having unprotected sex!
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ILoveHarry
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| Wed Oct 06, 2004 3:53 pm |
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Safe sex is not 100%. Pregnancies can happen even if a condom was used and or the woman is on birth control. The cold hard fact is, women that really want to have an abortion will do it, legal or not. If it is legal, at least it will be in a clean, professional, safe place.
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Founder
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| Wed Oct 06, 2004 3:55 pm |
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Dude thats like saying its better to kill someone legally in a lab than it is in an alley. Why is this kinda killing ok when other killing is not?
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Hitchhiker
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| Wed Oct 06, 2004 4:08 pm |
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| Founder wrote: | | Dude thats like saying its better to kill someone legally in a lab than it is in an alley. Why is this kinda killing ok when other killing is not? |
That's what the government does . . . they kill a convicted murderer in a prison for capital punishment, and a lot of people think it is better than killing a random thug in an alley.
I think that recriminalizing abortion will just bring about a lot of problems. Just like the current bid by some people to decriminialize marijuana in Canada--it would be under government control and regulation, just like tobbaco. Not that I want marijuana decriminialized.
Or prostitution. In some European countries, prostitution is legal. This allows the government to set up strict guidelines, including the practice of birth control. If you violate a regulation, you get removed from the streets.
Recriminializing abortion won't stop it. It will just make people do it in secret, with less safe methods.
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| Wed Oct 06, 2004 4:10 pm |
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I agree with you there. Thats why im saying that im torn on this issue about abortions. I can see both sides but I just wish there was a better alternative to killing these kids.
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Hitchhiker
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| Wed Oct 06, 2004 4:18 pm |
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| Founder wrote: | | I agree with you there. Thats why im saying that im torn on this issue about abortions. I can see both sides but I just wish there was a better alternative to killing these kids. |
Yeah, I do too. I still disapprove of abortion, except in cases with extenuating circumstances, such as rape, but I just don't think recriminalizing it will stop abortion.
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Wed Oct 06, 2004 4:27 pm |
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I agree that outlawing it, won't stop abortion, but hopefully it will lower the number of times it happens. Sheesh, just put the baby up for adoption.
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ILoveHarry
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| Wed Oct 06, 2004 4:36 pm |
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Yes, I agree, adoption is a wonderful option. However, there are always going to be people that are too scared. Yes, I know they got themselves into the situation, but let's face it; sometimes people make huge mistakes, or the wrong choice. A frightend teenage girl may not feel she has that choice.
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Arellia
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I think most rational people won't be performing unsafe abortions anyway, if you think about it. We legally kill over a million kids a year in the U.S. through abortion. More than 38 million since 1973. That's staggering. Rape cases with children as a product are very rare, and account for only a fraction of abortions performed. Similarly, usually people who do have abortions, probably did not use birth control in the first place. And they should be aware that with all the birth control, they might end up with a kid anyway. That's free knowledge that, again, *most* people are aware of. Adoption is not a horridly difficult process (as stated). It's different when the mother's life is in danger, but many times abortion is not warranted, and the loss of life is just a waste.
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Dirt
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| Wed Oct 06, 2004 9:33 pm |
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It all depends on if you look at it as a child yet, if you do, then yes, it's murder. I know I look at it like that, but not everybody does. And I don't want to take their freedom of choice away to say no to a child they don't want. And adoption isn't that easy after you had a child and then they decide they might want to keep it. So you'll have two teeangers (or just one) trying to be mature, take care of a child, which they aren't ready for in any way must be good for the baby too... lovely no?
Anyway, just my two cents.
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Arellia
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| Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:05 pm |
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What's wrong with the parents deciding to keep it? I would kind of think that would destroy their beginning reasons for not wanting the child--if they're mature enough to make that kind of a choice, who's to say they'd be bad parents? And yeah, it's their choice not to have a child. Before someone goes and gets pregnant. (Different in rape and such. But as I said, that does not account for the majority of abortions.) I personally cannot justify the deaths of 38 million kids. LEGALLY, of all things.
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Dirt
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| Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:26 pm |
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People make mistakes, goodness. You could blame bad parents or bad sexual education, or whatever, it's gonna happen anyway you cut the cake and to them it's not a child, didn't I already say that?
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Republican_Man
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| Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:28 pm |
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| Exalya wrote: | | I think most rational people won't be performing unsafe abortions anyway, if you think about it. We legally kill over a million kids a year in the U.S. through abortion. More than 38 million since 1973. That's staggering. Rape cases with children as a product are very rare, and account for only a fraction of abortions performed. Similarly, usually people who do have abortions, probably did not use birth control in the first place. And they should be aware that with all the birth control, they might end up with a kid anyway. That's free knowledge that, again, *most* people are aware of. Adoption is not a horridly difficult process (as stated). It's different when the mother's life is in danger, but many times abortion is not warranted, and the loss of life is just a waste. |
The mother should be willing to give up her life for the child. That's all. Rape AND possible death, okay. Otherwise, no.
| Exalya wrote: | | What's wrong with the parents deciding to keep it? I would kind of think that would destroy their beginning reasons for not wanting the child--if they're mature enough to make that kind of a choice, who's to say they'd be bad parents? And yeah, it's their choice not to have a child. Before someone goes and gets pregnant. (Different in rape and such. But as I said, that does not account for the majority of abortions.) I personally cannot justify the deaths of 38 million kids. LEGALLY, of all things. |
Yeah, yes. Exactly.
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Arellia
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| Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:29 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Exalya wrote: | | I think most rational people won't be performing unsafe abortions anyway, if you think about it. We legally kill over a million kids a year in the U.S. through abortion. More than 38 million since 1973. That's staggering. Rape cases with children as a product are very rare, and account for only a fraction of abortions performed. Similarly, usually people who do have abortions, probably did not use birth control in the first place. And they should be aware that with all the birth control, they might end up with a kid anyway. That's free knowledge that, again, *most* people are aware of. Adoption is not a horridly difficult process (as stated). It's different when the mother's life is in danger, but many times abortion is not warranted, and the loss of life is just a waste. |
The mother should be willing to give up her life for the child. That's all. Rape AND possible death, okay. Otherwise, no.
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I agree with you, there. She should be willing to do that. But some people aren't that selfless.
And Dirt--mistake, yeah. But no one should DIE because someone doesn't want to take responsibility for their mistake.
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Dirt
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| Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:31 pm |
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*Makes point for the third time* it's not dieing if it's not alive
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Arellia
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| Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:33 pm |
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But it IS alive. It requires energy to perform functions, it is biological, it will become, and IS a child. I have a hard time seeing it as anything but. I understand some people don't see it that way. IT IS STILL A LIFE.
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Republican_Man
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| Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:34 pm |
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| Exalya wrote: | | But it IS alive. It requires energy to perform functions, it is biological, it will become, and IS a child. I have a hard time seeing it as anything but. I understand some people don't see it that way. IT IS STILL A LIFE. |
Exactly, and as Kerry's most recent belief states (at least I think it's so) Life begins AT CONCEPTION.
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Dirt
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| Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:35 pm |
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Ok take seed of a plant, put it into the ground and you still have seed. Let it grow and it become a flower. I personally don't agree with it, but I can understand how people can see it like that. And I feel I need to respect their point of view and let not force my believes onto them.
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Dirt
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| Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:36 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Exalya wrote: | | But it IS alive. It requires energy to perform functions, it is biological, it will become, and IS a child. I have a hard time seeing it as anything but. I understand some people don't see it that way. IT IS STILL A LIFE. |
Exactly, and as Kerry's most recent belief states (at least I think it's so) Life begins AT CONCEPTION. |
And I am from America? 
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