"I Want to Believe"

GhostOfAMemory · **Mon Oct 04, 2004 6:05 pm**

^ And I contradicted myself where...?

Sam Kenobi · **Mon Oct 04, 2004 8:57 pm**

You're trying to maek your statement that God wouldn't want us to believe in ghosts and spirits because it's not part of HIs creation. But you just said "why would God have aproblem with that?"

GhostOfAMemory · **Mon Oct 04, 2004 10:04 pm**

Em, no I didn't. I asked how God could have a problem with something that does not exist, AKA saying He doesn't have a problem with it because... it... doesn't exist *blink*

Sam Kenobi · **Mon Oct 04, 2004 11:40 pm**

yeah, exactly *blink* (wtf is with the "you're an stupid *beep** things, anyway, you're the one being closeminded, miss superiority complex). God doesn't have a problem with it. so wtf is your problem. people can believe whatever the heck they want to, and I think you're in no position to say that they're not.

GhostOfAMemory · **Tue Oct 05, 2004 2:09 am**

*wonders what's up with the sudden "you're stupid" *beep* comments*

Gosh, I hate that phrase! "Closed minded" whenever anyone has an oppinion or belief that they hold to rather than giving in to someone elses or saying all beleifs are equal, everyone shouts "Closed minded!" rather than either thinking about that persons oppinion or forming one of their own! I never called anyone stupid if that's what you're implying, and I am not going to apologize for my beleifs!

And when the heck did I ever say I was "superior" to anyone? Gosh! and YOU are the one starting arguments here, not me! It seems to me you are the one who cannot put up with my beliefs!

Jeremy · **Tue Oct 05, 2004 4:14 am**

IntrepidIsMe · **Tue Oct 05, 2004 3:36 pm**

All I have to say is that I can't see how you can denounce something as not existing, when you can't actually know for sure. I can see how someone would come across as being closeminded when they don't even seem to consider that the other person can have their own beliefs.

And I don't think he said that her opinion was "beep,"

Sam Kenobi · **Tue Oct 05, 2004 6:33 pm**

Thasnk you, Aaron. No, I never did say your opinion was "beep".

Lemme give you an example of the 'tude I'm getting from you, Leah

ILoveHarry · Admiral Joined: 14 Jan 2004 Posts: 7909 Location: Houston

Yeah, you tell 'em, Sammer!!! You rock!

GhostOfAMemory · **Wed Oct 06, 2004 1:15 am**

I'm not offended by you having your own oppinion, I have a problem with you being offended by my strong beleif in mine. I was perfectly content to TALK, calmly and rationaly, and you start chewing my head off. My own thought was that Christians believe in the Bible, and the bible, as far as I know, does not endorse beleif in spirits haunting people or ghosts or whatever, and it CERTAINLY states that worshipping/praying to/sacrificing to any "god" or "spirit" other than God is blasphemy *sp* and idolatry, and is wrong. Notice I said "In the bible" not "this is absolute truth because I said so" however I do believe it's true, and I have no qualms about stating that.

What is up with this "It's true for you" crap? There is ONE TRUTH! We all have oppinions on what that is, but there's no such thing as multiple truths for multiple people. It contradicts the very definition of "truth"

And as for me implying that you are too young to have formed your own oppinion, that is absolute bull! I'm 16 for cryin' out loud, and the thing that annoys me most in the world is when people think that because someone is young their oppinions don't matter. I respect your right to have your own oppinion, but it doesn't mean I have to agree with it.

And as for ILoveHarry's quote, she said that god doesn't have a problem with ghosts because He created them, however if you go by the Bible, ghosts do not exist, and God did not create them. My reply was good natured in my oppinion, and YOU are the one who started the arguing, not me. I am perfectly capable of disagreeing with someone without going pshyco on them, I hope you are too.

*Really hopes we can start talking like rational adults (I consider myself one) and stop the angry madness*

Sam Kenobi · **Wed Oct 06, 2004 1:39 pm**

angry madness... eh? Where? Give me an example of where I was being offended by your strong belief.

And yes, that's exactly what I meant by "true for you" each person has their own truth. that means exactly what I said. You have a truth, I have a truth. therefore something can be true for you and not for me.

At least I can admit that I'm arguing, You keep trying to rationalize your own arguement as some attempt to calm me down or something.

Oh yeah, and the "pit gods" are our word for the muse. Muse aren't idolized or worshipped, they're just the creative juices. We had a lot of uber religious families get offended last year about the same thing, a color guard guy made a call to the muse, but if you ask me, people just aren't as up on their mythology as they should be.

marimbaplayer · **Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:27 pm**

I agree with Triam on this one, we all have our separate truths.

um, also, in 1 Samuel 28 a witch calls up Samuel's ghost, who correctly predicts some things...you should go read it, it's really there...*is also a strong Christian, and yet believes in the supernatural...go figure*

GhostOfAMemory · **Wed Oct 06, 2004 11:20 pm**

Sam Kenobi · **Wed Oct 06, 2004 11:25 pm**

ok, ok, let me change my attitude a little. I have no problem with your beliefs, I think it's awesome that you have such strong beliefs, that takes a strong person. My problem was (is) with the way you're treating other people's beliefs like you're the only one who is right. That you can't even accept that other people believe different things.

And what, exactly, is that one truth? Have you been watching a little too much XF lately or something? Because unless you can define that one truth and prove that it's true for "EVERYONE" "EVERYWHERE", you're point is nothing but invalid

GhostOfAMemory · **Wed Oct 06, 2004 11:29 pm**

I'm not claiming to know it, or at least not all of it. I believe I know some of it. But in everything, every situation, there are facts. Facts that are true, that are not oppinion, even if they are not known yet. Is there alien life? Some think yes, others no, but there is only one TRUE answer to it. None of us know that answer for certain, but it is out there. There's no such thing as "aliens are true for you, and they're not true for me" same with God or ghosts or ANYthing. There either is or is not. I believe there are no such things as ghosts, therefore it is my oppinion on what the truth is, and I speak of it as being true. I fully accept other people's right to have their own oppinion, and that they do, but Ido not have to agree with it, stop having my own oppinion,or stop believing my own oppinion to be true. Nor do I have to ackowledge that other people's oppinions are "just as good" as my own when I beleive them to be false.

Sam Kenobi · **Wed Oct 06, 2004 11:41 pm**

*whap* I can't believe we just had that entire argument and were talking about the same thing. ok. yes, everyone has their opinion of the "1" truth (even though, that's also really invalid since there are so many truths... ie 1) the truth of alien existance 2) the truth of the supernatural 3) the truth of religion etc). But still , everyone's opinion, based on faith, is the truth in their own mind. Every person has to have their own definition of truth, otherwise "what do we call that, class?" "communism!" (or something... I just felt like using that quote)

no, otherwise it'd just be like we're all operating on the same mind .. .kinf of like the borg and no one would be an individual if they didn't believe that each rigourously faith-based conviction they held was the truth. That's the point of believeing something to be true, is that you yourself hold it to be "the truth"

GhostOfAMemory · **Thu Oct 07, 2004 3:06 pm**

^ Well yeah, there's the truth in each situation, so therefore many things that are true, but only one thing is true in each situation, so all truths are interconected into one big truth *nods*

Except in matters of like, emotions, or something, where a few different things can be true at the same time.

Haha the borg "You will be assimilated"

Sam Kenobi · **Thu Oct 07, 2004 4:13 pm**

Whatever. I still think everyone can have their own truth. Like I said, That's what faith and believing is, that you believe something to be true and therefore in your heart, it is true. That goes for what you believe in any situation, whether it be religion, philosophy, what have you.

But we're not going to cahnge eachother's minds, not that I think we were ever trying to. So I'm just going to stop wasting my energy on it