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CJ Cregg
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Republican_Man
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I don't think that is says much.
Most other polls have Bush in the lead, so I'm not concerned.
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voy416
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yeah i think bush is winning
soooooooooooo baddddddd
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CJ Cregg
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| Sun Oct 03, 2004 6:17 am |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | I don't think that is says much.
Most other polls have Bush in the lead, so I'm not concerned. |
Which were done BEFORE the debate. This was done a few days AFTER the debate.
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Angeldust
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RM your opinions are always changing. The poll that you posted BEFORE the debate that had Bush in the lead was a done deal, but now that Kerry is catching up, you don't think it is accurate. Weird.
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CJ Cregg
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| Angeldust wrote: | | RM your opinions are always changing. The poll that you posted BEFORE the debate that had Bush in the lead was a done deal, but now that Kerry is catching up, you don't think it is accurate. Weird. |
Maybe its one of these "flip-flops" that republicans are ALWAYS talking about 
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Angeldust
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You mean the ones they accuse Kerry of?? That is kind of odd.
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Zeke Zabertini
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To be fair, he was citing a different poll source.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Oct 03, 2004 10:20 am |
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| Angeldust wrote: | | RM your opinions are always changing. The poll that you posted BEFORE the debate that had Bush in the lead was a done deal, but now that Kerry is catching up, you don't think it is accurate. Weird. |
| Zeke Zabertini wrote: | | To be fair, he was citing a different poll source. |
Thank you, and that is true. I can say that things are getting closer, I'll give you that, but there's no huge lead and it's not as trustworthy as Gallup.
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CJ Cregg
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| Sun Oct 03, 2004 11:06 am |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Angeldust wrote: | | RM your opinions are always changing. The poll that you posted BEFORE the debate that had Bush in the lead was a done deal, but now that Kerry is catching up, you don't think it is accurate. Weird. |
| Zeke Zabertini wrote: | | To be fair, he was citing a different poll source. |
Thank you, and that is true. I can say that things are getting closer, I'll give you that, but there's no huge lead and it's not as trustworthy as Gallup. |
We will have to wait for the first Gallup poll done after the debate. Anyone no when that will be?
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CJ Cregg
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| Sun Oct 03, 2004 7:47 pm |
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Poll puts Bush, Kerry about even
| Quote: | (CNN) -- President Bush and his Democratic challenger, Sen. John Kerry, are about even among likely and registered voters in the latest CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll, released Sunday.
The poll showed Kerry and Bush tied at 49 percent each among likely voters interviewed. Among registered voters Bush had 49 percent and Kerry 47 percent. Independent candidate Ralph Nader was favored by 1 percent in each group.
The margin of error in each case was plus or minus 4 percentage points.
By contrast, Bush was ahead of Kerry among likely voters 52 percent to 44 percent in the Gallup poll conducted September 24-26. Among registered voters in that poll, the spread was 53 percent for Bush and 42 percent for Kerry. Nader had 3 percent among each group.
The latest poll talked with 1,012 adult Americans by telephone Friday through Sunday, after the presidential debate Thursday. Among those interviewed, 934 said they were registered voters and 772 indicated they were likely to vote.
"It's obvious that the debate helped Kerry. What's less obvious is how," CNN polling director Keating Holland said.
Other polls conducted after the debate also showed Kerry in a virtual tie with Bush. (Full story)
On the issue of the economy, the poll showed all voters favoring Kerry 51 percent to Bush's 44 percent, almost exactly the opposite of what the September 24-26 poll indicated -- Bush with 51 percent and Kerry with 45 percent.
Holland said that was good news for Kerry going into the second and third debates, in which domestic issues will be highlighted.
But Holland said the expectations game has shifted -- a plurality says that Kerry will do the better job in the second debate (before the first debate, most Americans thought Bush would win).
"So the pressure is on Kerry to meet expectations. And let's not forget the good news for the White House in this poll: Bush is still seen as a stronger leader who would better deal with Iraq and terrorism," Holland said.
Bush's numbers on the Iraq and terrorism, however, have fallen since the previous poll.
He leads Kerry 51 percent to 44 percent on the question of who would do a better job in Iraq. That was down from 55 percent for Bush in the previous poll and up from 41 percent for Kerry.
On who would do a better job against terrorism, Bush had 56 percent to Kerry's 39 percent. The figures in the previous poll were 61 percent for Bush to 34 percent for Kerry.
The results on each question had a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.
Voters were split between the two candidates on poll questions about personal qualities, and they picked Bush as a stronger leader by a large margin.
On the question of who is better at expressing himself, Kerry outpolled Bush 54 percent to 41 percent. On who cares more about people, Kerry had 49 percent and Bush 44 percent. On the question of who is more intelligent, Kerry led Bush 48 percent to 38 percent.
On who is more honest and trustworthy, however, Bush trumped Kerry by 46 percent to 41 percent, and when asked who among the two candidates shares their values, voters chose Bush 49 percent to 45 percent for Kerry.
And when it comes to who they think is the stronger leader, those polled favored Bush by 56 percent to 37 percent for Kerry.
Again, the results on each question had a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points. |
Theres the latest Gallup poll. There even!  Just wait till the next debate wins for kerry. On his strongest subject, domestic issues
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borgslayer
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| Sun Oct 03, 2004 7:53 pm |
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On the newsweek poll
Kerry: 55% something
Bush: 16% something
Undecided: 15%
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CJ Cregg
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| Sun Oct 03, 2004 7:55 pm |
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| borgslayer wrote: | On the newsweek poll
Kerry: 55% something
Bush: 16% something
Undecided: 15% |
Thats for who won the debate
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Oct 03, 2004 7:59 pm |
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| charmed88 wrote: | | borgslayer wrote: | On the newsweek poll
Kerry: 55% something
Bush: 16% something
Undecided: 15% |
Thats for who won the debate |
Yes, and that doesn't mean that that's who their voting for.
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Dirt
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| Sun Oct 03, 2004 8:13 pm |
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Newsweek said, 49% Kerry, 43% Bush, (If I remember correctly)
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Oct 03, 2004 8:14 pm |
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| Dirt wrote: | | Newsweek said, 49% Kerry, 43% Bush, (If I remember correctly) |
Actually, 49% & 46%
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Dirt
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| Sun Oct 03, 2004 8:19 pm |
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Ah, close enough. So Florida makes it a tie for Bush... 
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Arellia
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You know, a tie would actually be good for Bush. (Not that I don't want him to WIN, but ) The vote would be thrown into the House of Representatives, and with the Republican majority, Bush would most likely--if not certainly--win.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Oct 03, 2004 8:46 pm |
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| Exalya wrote: | | You know, a tie would actually be good for Bush. (Not that I don't want him to WIN, but ) The vote would be thrown into the House of Representatives, and with the Republican majority, Bush would most likely--if not certainly--win. |
lol, interesting point
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Ronevick
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Yeah, this was a close one according to some sources, but then I see in other places that Kerry won by about 45%. It will be interesting to see what happens at the Vice Presidential debate.
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Arellia
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| Ronevick wrote: | | Yeah, this was a close one according to some sources, but then I see in other places that Kerry won by about 45%. It will be interesting to see what happens at the Vice Presidential debate. |
...by? Or with? Even winning with ONE percent would be cause for celebration.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Oct 03, 2004 9:00 pm |
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| Exalya wrote: | | Ronevick wrote: | | Yeah, this was a close one according to some sources, but then I see in other places that Kerry won by about 45%. It will be interesting to see what happens at the Vice Presidential debate. |
...by? Or with? Even winning with ONE percent would be cause for celebration. |
Yeah, and those 45% wins are those quick polls that can't be trusted ONE BIT, unless it happens to be Gallup, but are you talking about the Debate? If so, then nevermind.
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Ronevick
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| Sun Oct 03, 2004 9:03 pm |
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I heard Kerry won by around 45% according to most Americans on Inside Politics Daily today. Either way, Kerry won.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Oct 03, 2004 9:05 pm |
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| Ronevick wrote: | | I heard Kerry won by around 45% according to most Americans on Inside Politics Daily today. Either way, Kerry won. |
In the majority opinion. I think it was a tie.
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Jeremy
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Exalya wrote: | | Ronevick wrote: | | Yeah, this was a close one according to some sources, but then I see in other places that Kerry won by about 45%. It will be interesting to see what happens at the Vice Presidential debate. |
...by? Or with? Even winning with ONE percent would be cause for celebration. |
Yeah, and those 45% wins are those quick polls that can't be trusted ONE BIT, unless it happens to be Gallup, but are you talking about the Debate? If so, then nevermind. |
You can't say they can't be trusted apart from Gallup, that's just picking the bits you like. I could run a poll and ask who would vote for Bush but it was in a republican convention and then say I won't believe any polls apart from that one. And it would be totally biased. You should take a number of polls into consideration. Also according to Gallup it was even - for the election anyway.
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