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Jeremy
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Islam, Buddism and Judism to mention a few.
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Founder
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| Mon Sep 20, 2004 4:17 pm |
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C'mon man. Thats not true. Thats not all there is to the those three Religions. It takes more than being nice to get you to Heaven. Although it helps.
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Gondor Girl
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| Mon Sep 20, 2004 11:42 pm |
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| Hitchhiker wrote: | Annoying Sports Announcer Who Quite Possibly Resembles Don Cherry:
"Neither side can provide proof. The pro-Evolution people provide theoretical suppositions, only to have them struck down by nitpicking pseudo-science. Meanwhile, the pro-Creation people firmly insist in the existence of God, only to be met with stony stares from the Evolutionists! It's a neck and neck battle, I think that we might have to engage the 5-second delay! That's 7-seconds for those living north of the 49th Parallel!"
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Yeah, sure we can't provide solid hard-core proof that God exists. Evolutionists can't provide anything that proves their theory, but there is a huge difference, the evolutionists also can't provide any proof that God doesn't exist. We can provide scientific facts that seriously refute the theory of evolution.
| LightningBoy wrote: | | Adam and Eve: Earth and the Moon. The moon used to be part of the Earth: Eve grew from Adam's rib. Then what split them up? Apple: Asteroid. Eve was taken from the beautiful garden and Adam to the barren wastland: Separated from green Earth sent to the barren Moon. |
Umm... that's among the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. Not only is that seriously stretching it, but also, you seriously had to screw up what happened to Adam and Eve in order to make it work. Adam and Eve were not separated as you say they were. Neither of them got to stay in the beautiful garden. They were banished together. They remained with each other for the rest of their lives. Also, the apple did not separate them from each other, but rather it separated them from their fellowship with God. The most horrible downfall in all of history. All in all, you seriously stretched and twisted that bit of history. That little "insight" was pure bologna.
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Pah-Wraith
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| Wed Sep 22, 2004 3:24 pm |
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| Jeremy wrote: | | Islam, Buddism and Judism to mention a few. |
Islam- requires belief, Action and Good deeds (Including love for God and belief in Prophets and their good deeds and the revelations sent to them which includes Eesaw Ibn Maryam (Jesus).
Buddhism- Follows the Spiritual Teachings of Siddharta, believes that Good deeds and Spirituality will result in Enlightenment in the next Incarnate as a Human (No belief in Heaven at ALL).
Judaism- Clearly as the Prophet Job of Judaic Tradition and the teachings of Orthodox and Reform Judaism shows in his questioning of God, the Jewish Traditions and teachings have no certainty that there is such a thing as Heaven.
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Jeremy
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| Wed Sep 22, 2004 3:32 pm |
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Job didn't question the existance of God, he mearly questioned his motives for doing the things that happened. He rubukes his wife for telling him to question the existance of God.
(EDIT ^ as it was very badly worded)
As for Islam I don't know too much, but that is what Mr Wright said about it, and the same with Buddism. After a number of reincarnations you may achive enlightenment, or the equivalent of heaven.
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Founder
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| Wed Sep 22, 2004 3:40 pm |
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Yeah. I hate to disagree with Pah-Wraith because he seems very knowledgable of this kinda of stuff. But my friend is Buddhist. There is a Heaven. Although I think its only for Gods. You can be reincarnated into Gods. Hinduism I believe has a Heaven too.
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Hitchhiker
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| Wed Sep 22, 2004 6:04 pm |
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I thought that with Buddhism, you were reincarnated but their version of heaven was the "ultimate reincarnation", which they call Nirvana . . .
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Wed Sep 22, 2004 7:37 pm |
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Indeed. In Global class we learned that Buddhists believe they'll reach "Nirvana" in which they are released from all forms of pain and selfishness. Heaven, per se.
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Toad
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| Thu Sep 23, 2004 3:41 pm |
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ATTENTION: I have a research project on the Creation vs. Evolution debate. It was assigned in my Biology class and will be posted on a separate thread in Chit Chat. The project is due in late November so I will most likely post in in late Nov. or early Dec. I will start the thread soon and give you my outline for the project. The thread will be open to discussion only after the Final Draft of the paper has been posted.
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gilbert3729
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| Mon Sep 27, 2004 2:12 pm |
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| Jeremy wrote: | | gilbert3729 wrote: | | Gondor Girl wrote: | I agree. The physics don't work for you big bang theory either everything would be spinning in the same direction and don't say that they started to spin "billions of years" after the big bang because that's physically impossible, if the ball was spinning so fast that it exploded, everything would have spun around. Alas, the beggining half of your theory is not physically accurate.
The second half of your theory. The billions of years of evolution. No missing links, a whole bunch of anomolies, plus polystrates. plus so much proof that the earth cannot be over a few thousand years old. The moons orbit is wider and wider each year. A million years ago there would have been nothing keeping it off the ground. The earth's rotation gets a second longer to make each year. Millions of years ago we would have been spinning so fast there's no way in heck that anything would have stayed on this planet from the sheer force of it.
My version of the facts has no proof against it, yours has all sorts. Shouldn't that be saying something to you right there? |
Ok you dont have to scrutinize every little thing that i said. I wasnt going for complete accuracy with that post, just enough to get that theory in this thread. When i said started to spin i didnt mean to imply that it wasnt spinning and then started.
If you say that the earth is only a couple thousand years old then how do you explain how some rocks are PROVEn to be 4.5 billion years old through the use of carbon dating. The carbon dating formula isnt just a theory it has been proven to be accurate.
Just out of curosity how fast do you think the earth is spinning. Because it is spinning verrrrry fast. The only reason that we arnt flying away is gravity and the earth's excape speed. |
Carbon dating was actually proven to have a number of flaws and that it could be a couple of billion years wrong, and as the age was older, so the mistakes became more. Also some problems with carbon dating; what happened if the earth went through a period of radioactive increase/ decrease? This would throw the results totally out. |
Your half right about that. It depends what isotopes they use. That is how they can measure things to be Billions of years old. In other words, it is extremely accurate.
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Jeremy
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| Mon Sep 27, 2004 2:19 pm |
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But if the Earth passed through an area of space where there was a lot of radioactivity it could have increased the amount of radiation there was. Also if you read the bible then you discover that before creation of things the earth was already there, because it says the earth was formless and that the Spirit of the Lord hovered over the waters - so there was water and later it says that God seperated the water from the land so there was some land under the water. This could have been billions of years old.
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gilbert3729
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| Mon Sep 27, 2004 2:29 pm |
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They use different isotopes and strickly measure only the one that they use. If you believe in the religious theory and the bible says that the earth isnt more then a few thousand years old, then proving something to be 4.5 billion years old is overkill. What would you say about things measured to me 50 thousand or 500 thousand years old. It is still very much in the scope of extremely accurate carbon dating and still voild that theory, or at least that part of it.
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Hitchhiker
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| Mon Sep 27, 2004 3:27 pm |
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If you apply Einstein's theories of relativity to the Bible's accounts of time, it is possible to reconcile the billion-thousand year dilemma between the two camps, because time would pass differently for the outside and inner observers.
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Jeremy
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| Mon Sep 27, 2004 3:50 pm |
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I agree, and also you ignored the second part of my post.
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gilbert3729
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| Mon Sep 27, 2004 4:31 pm |
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| Jeremy wrote: | | I agree, and also you ignored the second part of my post. |
which part. Sorry if i did, didnt mean to.
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DemonClassY
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I am a mixure like RM...I believe that god created Earth and stuff but then again I'm a very scientific person as well and I'm confused as to what I believe about it at this age.
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Jeremy
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| Mon Sep 27, 2004 5:04 pm |
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| Jeremy wrote: | | Also if you read the bible then you discover that before creation of things the earth was already there, because it says the earth was formless and that the Spirit of the Lord hovered over the waters - so there was water and later it says that God seperated the water from the land so there was some land under the water. This could have been billions of years old. |
That part,  That also might help you DemonClassY. Science provides the how, God the why.
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Arellia
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| Mon Sep 27, 2004 5:44 pm |
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| Jeremy wrote: | | Jeremy wrote: | | Also if you read the bible then you discover that before creation of things the earth was already there, because it says the earth was formless and that the Spirit of the Lord hovered over the waters - so there was water and later it says that God seperated the water from the land so there was some land under the water. This could have been billions of years old. |
That part, That also might help you DemonClassY. Science provides the how, God the why. |
Um...may I make an amendment? It was not 'The earth was void and without form.' Take it back to the original Hebrew. The correct translation is "The world became void and without form." If you want to check my reference, grab a Strong's, it'll be in there.
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tomparis
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| Mon Sep 27, 2004 5:52 pm |
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| Exalya wrote: | | charmed88 wrote: | | i belive in the Evolution theory. I am incapable of ever beliving the adam and eve one. I find it to be impossible and silly |
You forgot the gray area. Not all Christians believe Adam and Eve created everyone. 
...which includes me. I do believe in the old testament. However, all people OBVIOUSLY didn't come from Adam and Eve. That's insane and impossible. People tend to forget the 6th-day creation, the Humans created that day. Therefore, I believe God created man. But it wasn't Adam and Eve. |
If you do believe in the Old Testament, how can you even think of stating that theory? In Genesis, it states that God created Adam and Eve. It said absolutely nothing about other humans being created? And, if God did create more than just Adam and Eve, how come they were never mentioned?
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Republican_Man
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| Mon Sep 27, 2004 5:55 pm |
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| Quote: | If you do believe in the Old Testament, how can you even think of stating that theory? In Genesis, it states that God created Adam and Eve. It said absolutely nothing about other humans being created? And, if God did create more than just Adam and Eve, how come they were never mentioned?
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I don't know, but I believe in the Old Testament, but not so much of Genesis. I've added some evolution to that one. I mean, when would dinosaurs be around, and cave people? And what about the "monkey-like" evolution?
I believe that God created the Big Bang and guided the Universe through its creation. And I also believe that he created Evolution.
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tomparis
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I don't know about the "monkey-like" evolution, and I sure don't believe that cave-men did exist, but I do know that somewhere in the Bible, a "terrible creature" was mentioned. Don't ask me where, it's just something that my Pastor told me when I asked him about dinosaurs on the earth. Also, just for clarifiication, could state what you believe the definition for evolution is?
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gilbert3729
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| Mon Sep 27, 2004 8:31 pm |
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| Jeremy wrote: | | Jeremy wrote: | | Also if you read the bible then you discover that before creation of things the earth was already there, because it says the earth was formless and that the Spirit of the Lord hovered over the waters - so there was water and later it says that God seperated the water from the land so there was some land under the water. This could have been billions of years old. |
That part, That also might help you DemonClassY. Science provides the how, God the why. |
Well, i havnt read the bible...and to speak honestly i dont think that the bible is the most credible source on history. Yes it does have its moments, so ive heard, but for the first thousand years and so it wasnt written down and was passed on by word of mouth. As everyone knows (or just the poeple who played that telephone game in gradeschool) a story changes along with its facts the longer it is spread by word alone. So it is very likely that the bible (today) is completly different from what it was. Also, it has been translated many times and the contex of some of the stories may have changed as well. I know that im pissing off a bunch of people by saying that the bible isnt the most credible source of history, but if you think about what im saying you can see how its true.
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Mon Sep 27, 2004 9:16 pm |
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| Colonel Thornberry wrote: | | Exalya wrote: | | charmed88 wrote: | | i belive in the Evolution theory. I am incapable of ever beliving the adam and eve one. I find it to be impossible and silly |
You forgot the gray area. Not all Christians believe Adam and Eve created everyone.
...which includes me. I do believe in the old testament. However, all people OBVIOUSLY didn't come from Adam and Eve. That's insane and impossible. People tend to forget the 6th-day creation, the Humans created that day. Therefore, I believe God created man. But it wasn't Adam and Eve. |
If you do believe in the Old Testament, how can you even think of stating that theory? In Genesis, it states that God created Adam and Eve. It said absolutely nothing about other humans being created? And, if God did create more than just Adam and Eve, how come they were never mentioned? |
They were.
| Genesis, 4:14 wrote: | | 14 Behold, thou hast driven me this day away from the ground; and from thy face I shall be hidden; and I shall be a fugitive and a wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will slay me." 15 Then the LORD said to him, "Not so! If any one slays Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold." And the LORD put a mark on Cain, lest any who came upon him should kill him. |
Who's going to kill Cain, if nobody else was there? His mother and father? I don't think sooooo.
| Genesis, 4:17 wrote: | | Then Cain went away from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, east of Eden. 17 Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch; and he built a city, and called the name of the city after the name of his son, Enoch. |
Who's Cain's wife? It certainly wasn't his mother.
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sabertooth1217
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| Mon Sep 27, 2004 11:09 pm |
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Adam and Eve theory 100%
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tomparis
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| Mon Sep 27, 2004 11:14 pm |
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| IntrepidIsMe wrote: | | Colonel Thornberry wrote: | | Exalya wrote: | | charmed88 wrote: | | i belive in the Evolution theory. I am incapable of ever beliving the adam and eve one. I find it to be impossible and silly |
You forgot the gray area. Not all Christians believe Adam and Eve created everyone.
...which includes me. I do believe in the old testament. However, all people OBVIOUSLY didn't come from Adam and Eve. That's insane and impossible. People tend to forget the 6th-day creation, the Humans created that day. Therefore, I believe God created man. But it wasn't Adam and Eve. |
If you do believe in the Old Testament, how can you even think of stating that theory? In Genesis, it states that God created Adam and Eve. It said absolutely nothing about other humans being created? And, if God did create more than just Adam and Eve, how come they were never mentioned? |
They were.
| Genesis, 4:14 wrote: | | 14 Behold, thou hast driven me this day away from the ground; and from thy face I shall be hidden; and I shall be a fugitive and a wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will slay me." 15 Then the LORD said to him, "Not so! If any one slays Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold." And the LORD put a mark on Cain, lest any who came upon him should kill him. |
Who's going to kill Cain, if nobody else was there? His mother and father? I don't think sooooo.
| Genesis, 4:17 wrote: | | Then Cain went away from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, east of Eden. 17 Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch; and he built a city, and called the name of the city after the name of his son, Enoch. |
Who's Cain's wife? It certainly wasn't his mother. |
I agree with you that there were moer people on teh earth......AFTER THE CREATION. Adam and Eve were the first human beings on the earth. More came from them and their descendants.
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