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Palestinian Attack Kills 1 at Gaza Settlement
Friday, September 24, 2004
GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip � Islamic militants killed an Israeli-American woman Friday just ahead of Yom Kippur (search), the first deadly shelling of a Jewish settlement in the Gaza Strip (search) in four years of Israeli-Palestinian fighting.
The attack, which came just hours before the start of the holiest day on the Jewish calendar, was likely to mobilize further opposition to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's (search) plan to withdraw from the Gaza Strip next year.
The militant Hamas (search) group claimed responsibility for firing two mortars at the Neve Dekalim (search) settlement in southern Gaza.
A Hamas video showed three masked militants setting up and firing a mortar. After the shell was fired, heavy gunfire could be heard � apparently the Israeli return fire at the nearby Palestinian town of Khan Younis (search). The Israeli fire wounded two Palestinians, including a 4-year-old boy, witnesses said.
One of the Hamas mortars hit a house in Neve Dekalim, wounding two women who were taken to a hospital in southern Israel for treatment. One of the women, identified as Tiferet Tratner, died of her wounds, and the second was slightly hurt. Eran Sternberg, a settler spokesman in Gaza, said Tratner also held U.S. citizenship.
Palestinians have fired hundreds of crude mortars and rockets at Jewish settlements in Gaza and Israeli border towns since 2000, but Friday's attack marked the first time a resident of a Gaza settlement was killed. In June, two Israelis were killed in a rocket attack on the Israel town of Sderot.
Eli Moses, a resident of Neve Dekalim, said Sharon is to blame because he is going ahead with a plan to withdraw Israeli troops and settlers from Gaza. "We want to emphasize that the prime minister is directly responsible for the death," Moses told Israel Radio. "Whoever fired the mortar is of course responsible, but there's a person above him and unfortunately that's the prime minister."
The shelling came a day after Palestinians killed three Israeli soldiers in an attack on the nearby Morag settlement in southern Gaza. After a protracted gunbattle, the three attackers were killed by the army.
The Gaza clashes point to increasing tensions and violence ahead of Israel's planned withdrawal.
"The Palestinians are doing everything they can to scuttle an Israeli withdrawal from the Gaza Strip," said David Baker, an official in Sharon's office. "We will take any measures necessary to defend our citizens."
Neve Dekalim is one of 21 Gaza settlements, with a total of 8,200 residents, to be dismantled under Sharon's "unilateral disengagement" plan.
Sharon has said he believes Israel's presence in Gaza is untenable. He said evacuating the Gaza settlements and four isolated West Bank enclaves is a way of strengthening Israel's hold on parts of the West Bank, where most of its 236,000 settlers live.
Friday's violence came hours before Yom Kippur, or the Day of Atonement, when much of Israel shuts down for fasting and prayer. Israeli security forces have been on high alert since last week, the start of the Jewish Near Year, which ushers in a series of holidays that last until October.
Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz on Friday ordered troops to tighten a blanket closure of the West Bank and Gaza which has been in effect since the last week.
Since fighting erupted in 2000, Israel has restricted the entry of Palestinians to varying degrees, imposing closures during holidays or at other times of alert. In 2002, a Palestinian homicide bomber blew up a Passover gathering, killing 29 people.
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Oh, come on. We all know it's the Israeli's who are at fault. They deserve to be killed. Man, woman, child, it doesn't matter. So what Israel targets Palestinian military targets, and Palestinians don't hesitate to blow up school buses full of children...
It's perfectly ok for Palestine to attack, but God forbid Israel retaliate, 
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| Sat Sep 25, 2004 10:01 pm |
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| Theresa wrote: | Oh, come on. We all know it's the Israeli's who are at fault. They deserve to be killed. Man, woman, child, it doesn't matter. So what Israel targets Palestinian military targets, and Palestinians don't hesitate to blow up school buses full of children...
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EXACTLY! Come on--if the Israelis are attacked, they have the RIGHT to retaliate. But Palestine does NOT have the right to blow up kids, etc!
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| Theresa wrote: | Oh, come on. We all know it's the Israeli's who are at fault. They deserve to be killed. Man, woman, child, it doesn't matter. So what Israel targets Palestinian military targets, and Palestinians don't hesitate to blow up school buses full of children...
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Yes they are. The Israeli's treat those people like S#*t. Everyone is surprised they do the things they do when its obvious why. They aren't doing it for fun. The Palestian's are treated like sub-humans. I don't condone death and wish maybe they could find a common ground but the Israeli's don't want to to stop hurting those people and the Palestinians are too prideful to just end it now.
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| Founder wrote: | | Theresa wrote: | Oh, come on. We all know it's the Israeli's who are at fault. They deserve to be killed. Man, woman, child, it doesn't matter. So what Israel targets Palestinian military targets, and Palestinians don't hesitate to blow up school buses full of children...
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Yes they are. The Israeli's treat those people like S#*t. Everyone is surprised they do the things they do when its obvious why. They aren't doing it for fun. The Palestian's are treated like sub-humans. I don't condone death and wish maybe they could find a common ground but the Israeli's don't want to to stop hurting those people and the Palestinians are too prideful to just end it now. |
Huh? Last I saw, the Palistinians are the ones blowing up the busses of innocent kids, strapping bombs to humans, etc. Sure, the Israelis aren't doing what they should do for peace, but they are less at fault than Palestine.
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Founder wrote: | | Theresa wrote: | Oh, come on. We all know it's the Israeli's who are at fault. They deserve to be killed. Man, woman, child, it doesn't matter. So what Israel targets Palestinian military targets, and Palestinians don't hesitate to blow up school buses full of children...
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Yes they are. The Israeli's treat those people like S#*t. Everyone is surprised they do the things they do when its obvious why. They aren't doing it for fun. The Palestian's are treated like sub-humans. I don't condone death and wish maybe they could find a common ground but the Israeli's don't want to to stop hurting those people and the Palestinians are too prideful to just end it now. |
Huh? Last I saw, the Palistinians are the ones blowing up the busses of innocent kids, strapping bombs to humans, etc. Sure, the Israelis aren't doing what they should do for peace, but they are less at fault than Palestine. |
Do you think they are doing that for fun? That its something to pass the time? That they are inherently evil? Are you Israeli? They retaliating because the Israeli's won't allow them to do anything. They need ID cards to go anywhere. They have tanks patrolling their cities. They constantly bomb their neighborhoods. Also the Israelis have a habit of murdering Reporters that aren't even Palestinian. I don't condone the attacks but its not like they can eve get to a military target anyways.
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Do you think they are doing that for fun? That its something to pass the time? That they are inherently evil? Are you Israeli? They retaliating because the Israeli's won't allow them to do anything. They need ID cards to go anywhere. They have tanks patrolling their cities. They constantly bomb their neighborhoods. Also the Israelis have a habit of murdering Reporters that aren't even Palestinian. I don't condone the attacks but its not like they can eve get to a military target anyways.
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Perhaps that is so (I'm not too well versed in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, but I know I decent amount), but NOTHING qualifies for what they've been doing to these innocent civilians.
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Do you think they are doing that for fun? That its something to pass the time? That they are inherently evil? Are you Israeli? They retaliating because the Israeli's won't allow them to do anything. They need ID cards to go anywhere. They have tanks patrolling their cities. They constantly bomb their neighborhoods. Also the Israelis have a habit of murdering Reporters that aren't even Palestinian. I don't condone the attacks but its not like they can eve get to a military target anyways.
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Perhaps that is so (I'm not too well versed in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, but I know I decent amount), but NOTHING qualifies for what they've been doing to these innocent civilians. |
Well its kinda hard to run an honest war when the opposition has basically subjugated you. No Palestanian suicide bomber can get near a military instellation. You're right though. I hate that innocents died. Palestinian innocents died as well, many many many of them. Although it isn't right to kill civilians no matter what. But in a sense this is a defeated people and they are desperate. I agree that civilians on BOTH sides should not die. But im just saying that the Israelis are not as innocent as you think.....
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Well its kinda hard to run an honest war when the opposition has basically subjugated you. No Palestanian suicide bomber can get near a military instellation. You're right though. I hate that innocents died. Palestinian innocents died as well, many many many of them. Although it isn't right to kill civilians no matter what. But in a sense this is a defeated people and they are desperate. I agree that civilians on BOTH sides should not die. But im just saying that the Israelis are not as innocent as you think.....
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Sure, I agree about both sides shouldn't die, and maybe the Israelis aren't as innocent as I thought, but the Palestinians are doing HORRIBLE things now. Look at the bus situations, etc. And Hamas--Hamas is a HORRIBLE terrorist group.
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Thats why hamas leaders are getting targeted and killed by Israelis.
"They kill every hamas leader or leaders that claims responsibilty of command"
So anyways in no one time hamas will lose complete leadership because people would be too afraid step forward and become a leader of hamas.
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| Founder wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Quote: |
Do you think they are doing that for fun? That its something to pass the time? That they are inherently evil? Are you Israeli? They retaliating because the Israeli's won't allow them to do anything. They need ID cards to go anywhere. They have tanks patrolling their cities. They constantly bomb their neighborhoods. Also the Israelis have a habit of murdering Reporters that aren't even Palestinian. I don't condone the attacks but its not like they can eve get to a military target anyways.
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Perhaps that is so (I'm not too well versed in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, but I know I decent amount), but NOTHING qualifies for what they've been doing to these innocent civilians. |
Well its kinda hard to run an honest war when the opposition has basically subjugated you. No Palestanian suicide bomber can get near a military instellation. You're right though. I hate that innocents died. Palestinian innocents died as well, many many many of them. Although it isn't right to kill civilians no matter what. But in a sense this is a defeated people and they are desperate. I agree that civilians on BOTH sides should not die. But im just saying that the Israelis are not as innocent as you think..... |
That is *beep* *beep*. I don't care how desperate anyone is, suicide bombing innocent people is wrong. What the hell makes you want to stick up for the Palestinian side. Not that Israel is always, or ever right, but at least that fight half-way lagit..
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | Founder wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Quote: |
Do you think they are doing that for fun? That its something to pass the time? That they are inherently evil? Are you Israeli? They retaliating because the Israeli's won't allow them to do anything. They need ID cards to go anywhere. They have tanks patrolling their cities. They constantly bomb their neighborhoods. Also the Israelis have a habit of murdering Reporters that aren't even Palestinian. I don't condone the attacks but its not like they can eve get to a military target anyways.
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Perhaps that is so (I'm not too well versed in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, but I know I decent amount), but NOTHING qualifies for what they've been doing to these innocent civilians. |
Well its kinda hard to run an honest war when the opposition has basically subjugated you. No Palestanian suicide bomber can get near a military instellation. You're right though. I hate that innocents died. Palestinian innocents died as well, many many many of them. Although it isn't right to kill civilians no matter what. But in a sense this is a defeated people and they are desperate. I agree that civilians on BOTH sides should not die. But im just saying that the Israelis are not as innocent as you think..... |
That is *beep* *beep*. I don't care how desperate anyone is, suicide bombing innocent people is wrong. What the hell makes you want to stick up for the Palestinian side. Not that Israel is always, or ever right, but at least that fight half-way lagit.. |
Oh yeah. Well said . My opinion is *beep* *beep*. Whatever. I'd like to see what you would do in thier place. Run an honest war where you only kill the Military? Yeah whatever....Its one thing to say that my what I said was *beep* *beep* but don't lie to us please.
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Hmmm. Yeah, sorry, my post was a little harsh, sorry about that. I was (and still am) in a pretty *beep* mood so yeah. Sorry about that. But I don't get how I lied to you?
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I think we both got annoyed lol. No problem and im sorry too. I would just like to know what you all would do in their place. Yeah it is bad but they are at rock bottom.
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| Quote: | | Oh yeah. Well said . My opinion is *beep* *beep*. Whatever. I'd like to see what you would do in thier place. Run an honest war where you only kill the Military? Yeah whatever....Its one thing to say that my what I said was *beep* *beep* but don't lie to us please. |
Okay, if you were in their place, Founder, you would murder innocent children? Seriously? Somehow I doubt that, but if it's true, then why not support Osama. (That may be a little harsh, but the murder of innocent civilians, primarily children...
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You know what? If I lived all my life in constant fear. If my relatives got killed. My home was bombed. I live in poverty. I don't know what I would do. Its easy to say what they are doing is wrong when you aren't in their situation at home in peace isn't it? You're right about killing children. I would never cross that line. Even though my enemy, in this case Israelis, do kill my children. Im just syaing things aren't as black and white as you think.
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Well Founder does have a point. I mean, probably half the Palestinians don't deserve what Israel does to them, it is just a minority that actually do. However, put your self in Israel's shoes: you don't know who is out to get you and who isn't with suicide bombers. What can Israel do but make security way to tight and try to differentiate the bad from the good, without completely crossing the line and going down to terrorist level as well?
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | Well Founder does have a point. I mean, probably half the Palestinians don't deserve what Israel does to them, it is just a minority that actually do. However, put your self in Israel's shoes: you don't know who is out to get you and who isn't with suicide bombers. What can Israel do but make security way to tight and try to differentiate the bad from the good, without completely crossing the line and going down to terrorist level as well? |
Good points.
| Founder wrote: | | You know what? If I lived all my life in constant fear. If my relatives got killed. My home was bombed. I live in poverty. I don't know what I would do. Its easy to say what they are doing is wrong when you aren't in their situation at home in peace isn't it? You're right about killing children. I would never cross that line. Even though my enemy, in this case Israelis, do kill my children. Im just syaing things aren't as black and white as you think. |
Whoo! 
Well, okay, and I see your point. If you are put in a situation, then you act on that. And I haven't heard about Israelis strapping bombs to themselves and killing innocent kids. However, not being in that situation one can say that it's wrong. But then if we were in the Middle East and in Afgahnistan and supported Osama and worked for him, that's okay, huh? It's just that I'm living in horrible conditions and so I don't like the US.
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | Well Founder does have a point. I mean, probably half the Palestinians don't deserve what Israel does to them, it is just a minority that actually do. However, put your self in Israel's shoes: you don't know who is out to get you and who isn't with suicide bombers. What can Israel do but make security way to tight and try to differentiate the bad from the good, without completely crossing the line and going down to terrorist level as well? |
What? Palestinians deserve whats happening to them? I think your forgetting who started what. I don't know how many times I have to say this. They bomb people because of what the Israelis do to them. Yeah but the Israelis do cross the line and basically subjugated them in their own home. Those people can't go outside without seeing an Israeli tank or vehicle. I can maybe understand tight security in Isreal but what the hell are they doing patrolling Palestine!? Searching for more terrorists? Yeah im sure...
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Well, okay, and I see your point. If you are put in a situation, then you act on that. And I haven't heard about Israelis strapping bombs to themselves and killing innocent kids. However, not being in that situation one can say that it's wrong. But then if we were in the Middle East and in Afgahnistan and supported Osama and worked for him, that's okay, huh? It's just that I'm living in horrible conditions and so I don't like the US. |
You haven't heard the Isrealis strapping bombs to themselves so what they do to the Palestinians is ok? Because they don't sink to terrorist levels? Would you stop saying that anyone whos a terrorist in the Middle East supports Osama. I live in horrible conditions and hate the USA so its ok? Yes it is. We're enemies. I'll do anything to get you out of my country.
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| Founder wrote: | | JanewayIsHott wrote: | | Well Founder does have a point. I mean, probably half the Palestinians don't deserve what Israel does to them, it is just a minority that actually do. However, put your self in Israel's shoes: you don't know who is out to get you and who isn't with suicide bombers. What can Israel do but make security way to tight and try to differentiate the bad from the good, without completely crossing the line and going down to terrorist level as well? |
What? Palestinians deserve whats happening to them? I think your forgetting who started what. I don't know how many times I have to say this. They bomb people because of what the Israelis do to them. Yeah but the Israelis do cross the line and basically subjugated them in their own home. Those people can't go outside without seeing an Israeli tank or vehicle. I can maybe understand tight security in Isreal but what the hell are they doing patrolling Palestine!? Searching for more terrorists? Yeah im sure...
You know what? Thanks for the info, I didn't know about that. Although I support Israel, I don't think that what they've been doing is really that right either.
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Well, okay, and I see your point. If you are put in a situation, then you act on that. And I haven't heard about Israelis strapping bombs to themselves and killing innocent kids. However, not being in that situation one can say that it's wrong. But then if we were in the Middle East and in Afgahnistan and supported Osama and worked for him, that's okay, huh? It's just that I'm living in horrible conditions and so I don't like the US. |
You haven't heard the Isrealis strapping bombs to themselves so what they do to the Palestinians is ok? Because they don't sink to terrorist levels? Would you stop saying that anyone whos a terrorist in the Middle East supports Osama. I live in horrible conditions and hate the USA so its ok? Yes it is. We're enemies. I'll do anything to get you out of my country. |
Sorry, I didn't say that all Mid-East terrorists supporting Osama. It was an Analagy. I was talking about those that DO support Osama.
And you know what? I have NOT heard about Israelis strapping bombs to themselves, and that's a prime concern of mine in this case. I do NOT think that in ANY conditions that should be allowed! Then if a terrorist did that to US people, is that alright? If they state the same reasons that you're stating? Huh?
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| Founder wrote: | | JanewayIsHott wrote: | | Well Founder does have a point. I mean, probably half the Palestinians don't deserve what Israel does to them, it is just a minority that actually do. However, put your self in Israel's shoes: you don't know who is out to get you and who isn't with suicide bombers. What can Israel do but make security way to tight and try to differentiate the bad from the good, without completely crossing the line and going down to terrorist level as well? |
What? Palestinians deserve whats happening to them? I think your forgetting who started what. I don't know how many times I have to say this. They bomb people because of what the Israelis do to them. Yeah but the Israelis do cross the line and basically subjugated them in their own home. Those people can't go outside without seeing an Israeli tank or vehicle. I can maybe understand tight security in Isreal but what the hell are they doing patrolling Palestine!? Searching for more terrorists? Yeah im sure...
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Maybe Israel wouldn't have to be so guarded and have militants everywhere if they didn't have to worry whether or not this Palestinian was really just a regular innocent civilian or a suicide bomber all the time.
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Founder wrote: | | JanewayIsHott wrote: | | Well Founder does have a point. I mean, probably half the Palestinians don't deserve what Israel does to them, it is just a minority that actually do. However, put your self in Israel's shoes: you don't know who is out to get you and who isn't with suicide bombers. What can Israel do but make security way to tight and try to differentiate the bad from the good, without completely crossing the line and going down to terrorist level as well? |
What? Palestinians deserve whats happening to them? I think your forgetting who started what. I don't know how many times I have to say this. They bomb people because of what the Israelis do to them. Yeah but the Israelis do cross the line and basically subjugated them in their own home. Those people can't go outside without seeing an Israeli tank or vehicle. I can maybe understand tight security in Isreal but what the hell are they doing patrolling Palestine!? Searching for more terrorists? Yeah im sure...
You know what? Thanks for the info, I didn't know about that. Although I support Israel, I don't think that what they've been doing is really that right either.
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Well, okay, and I see your point. If you are put in a situation, then you act on that. And I haven't heard about Israelis strapping bombs to themselves and killing innocent kids. However, not being in that situation one can say that it's wrong. But then if we were in the Middle East and in Afgahnistan and supported Osama and worked for him, that's okay, huh? It's just that I'm living in horrible conditions and so I don't like the US. |
You haven't heard the Isrealis strapping bombs to themselves so what they do to the Palestinians is ok? Because they don't sink to terrorist levels? Would you stop saying that anyone whos a terrorist in the Middle East supports Osama. I live in horrible conditions and hate the USA so its ok? Yes it is. We're enemies. I'll do anything to get you out of my country. |
Sorry, I didn't say that all Mid-East terrorists supporting Osama. It was an Analagy. I was talking about those that DO support Osama.
And you know what? I have NOT heard about Israelis strapping bombs to themselves, and that's a prime concern of mine in this case. I do NOT think that in ANY conditions that should be allowed! Then if a terrorist did that to US people, is that alright? If they state the same reasons that you're stating? Huh? |
So you're saying that since the Israelis play by the rules of War its ok? Americans don't treat people like the Israelis treat the Palestinians. I agree that killing civilians are wrong. Im just saying that this whole subject of the Israelis don't deserve this and that is total BS.
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But the Israelis did this before they resorted to Terrorist tactics. Thats why they did. Im not saying I know who started what in the centuries long war though.
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| Quote: | | So you're saying that since the Israelis play by the rules of War its ok? Americans don't treat people like the Israelis treat the Palestinians. I agree that killing civilians are wrong. Im just saying that this whole subject of the Israelis don't deserve this and that is total BS. |
Huh? No. I just don't think that there is ANY reason for the murder of innocent civilians like Hamas etc are doing. I was just saying that if terrorists made that charge that the US was doing similar things that the Israelis are, which the terrorists have, then is that a good "reason" for 9/11, etc?
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Quote: | | So you're saying that since the Israelis play by the rules of War its ok? Americans don't treat people like the Israelis treat the Palestinians. I agree that killing civilians are wrong. Im just saying that this whole subject of the Israelis don't deserve this and that is total BS. |
Huh? No. I just don't think that there is ANY reason for the murder of innocent civilians like Hamas etc are doing. I was just saying that if terrorists made that charge that the US was doing similar things that the Israelis are, which the terrorists have, then is that a good "reason" for 9/11, etc? |
No it isn't. To tell you the turht I don't know what or who Hamas is. If they are a terrorist organization then they do need to be stopped. but not all Palestinians are terrorists.
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Forget my analogies; they're not very good.
What I'm saying is that I don't condone how the Israelis have been treating the Palestinians in the horrible way, but what the Palestinians are doing and the terrorist group Hamas is doing is WAY over the line.
All in all, I support Israel at least a little.
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