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Jeff Miller
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 Thu Sep 23, 2004 10:58 am True or False: A good ole Debate |
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I was on the local newspaper website reading the letters to the editor and I came across this, this was posted by a reader from Kalama, I thought maybe we could debate it.
| Jake Alabiso wrote: | Bush by the numbers
Three million one hundred thousand private sector jobs lost. One million four hundred thousand newly uninsured Americans. Sixty-one billion dollar deficit. One thousand and twenty-three U.S. servicemen killed in Iraq. Seven thousand one hundred and twenty-five U.S. servicemen wounded.
With numbers like that, no wonder President Bush would rather focus on 1968 instead of 2004.
Jake Alabiso
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Debate if this person is right or wrong or what you feel. if you would like to reply to him. not sure if it'll get posted on the site but you can go here. http://www.tdn.com/letters
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LightningBoy
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| Thu Sep 23, 2004 2:22 pm |
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| Quote: | | Three million one hundred thousand private sector jobs lost. One million four hundred thousand newly uninsured Americans. Sixty-one billion dollar deficit. |
Clinton Economy = Balloon, Al-Qaeda attacks = Thumb Tack. You tell me how that's Bush's fault... ::POP::
| Quote: | | One thousand and twenty-three U.S. servicemen killed in Iraq. Seven thousand one hundred and twenty-five U.S. servicemen wounded. |
Since when do liberals care about human life? They promote baby slaughter and genocide. Want some numbers about IRAQ though. 1023 dead = 27,000,000 liberated. We paid the price, and we knew the costs. Every penny, every drop of blood, everything; worth it!
| Quote: | | With numbers like that |
Funny how the liberal mind beleives that every job is single handedly lost or gained by the president. Beleive it or not, the president's Tax reforms only can do so much. And that # --- 27,000,000 liberated in Iraq, and 25,000,000 liberated in Afghanistan, That's 52,000,000 million people given freedom by the actions of our great president. He's a leader, he's an honest man, and he's a good president damnit.
| Quote: | | no wonder President Bush would rather focus on 1968 instead of 2004. |
Bush has said little about "1968". Kerry is "Mr. War Hero" who flaunts his medals (the ones he did and then did not throw). Kerry's campaign brought is linked to the CBS memo scandal, while Bush has NO direct link to SwiftVets, in fact, he's called for an end to 527s while Kerry will not.
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Jeff Miller
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| Thu Sep 23, 2004 2:29 pm |
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| LightningBoy wrote: | | 25,000,000 liberated in Afghanistan |
Just currious, We haven't got Bin Laden and both the Talliban (SP) and Al Queda is still around. By really liberating a country doesn't that mean we have gotten rid of the threat? Granted Afganastan hasn't been in the news that much but the threat is still there. So in all honesty we haven't liberated them yet but we are doing a good job.
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LightningBoy
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| Thu Sep 23, 2004 2:48 pm |
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| Jeff Miller wrote: | | LightningBoy wrote: | | 25,000,000 liberated in Afghanistan |
Just currious, We haven't got Bin Laden and both the Talliban (SP) and Al Queda is still around. By really liberating a country doesn't that mean we have gotten rid of the threat? Granted Afganastan hasn't been in the news that much but the threat is still there. So in all honesty we haven't liberated them yet but we are doing a good job. |
What?! You're post doesn't even make sence. The Taliban has NO POWER in afghanistan. Actually, the Taliban is GONE. It is no more. Also, the part of Al Qaeda which holed itself up in Afghanistan in GONE. Al Qaeda is worldwide, but we took out most of their brain network. Bin Laden is more of a symbol than a strategic target. Getting him would be nice, but any military strategist knows that a leader is nothing if he has nothing to lead.
The Taliban was torn apart by the U.S. they no longer exist, Al Qaeda was extremely weakened by the U.S. and they are no longer in Afghanistan, and Bin Laden is not important right now.
So, if oppressive government is OUT of Afghanistan, then THEY ARE LIBERATED. Taliban is gone, freedom is in: LIBERATED.
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Sep 23, 2004 5:52 pm |
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| LightningBoy wrote: | | Quote: | | Three million one hundred thousand private sector jobs lost. One million four hundred thousand newly uninsured Americans. Sixty-one billion dollar deficit. |
Clinton Economy = Balloon, Al-Qaeda attacks = Thumb Tack. You tell me how that's Bush's fault... ::POP::
| Quote: | | One thousand and twenty-three U.S. servicemen killed in Iraq. Seven thousand one hundred and twenty-five U.S. servicemen wounded. |
Since when do liberals care about human life? They promote baby slaughter and genocide. Want some numbers about IRAQ though. 1023 dead = 27,000,000 liberated. We paid the price, and we knew the costs. Every penny, every drop of blood, everything; worth it!
| Quote: | | With numbers like that |
Funny how the liberal mind beleives that every job is single handedly lost or gained by the president. Beleive it or not, the president's Tax reforms only can do so much. And that # --- 27,000,000 liberated in Iraq, and 25,000,000 liberated in Afghanistan, That's 52,000,000 million people given freedom by the actions of our great president. He's a leader, he's an honest man, and he's a good president damnit.
| Quote: | | no wonder President Bush would rather focus on 1968 instead of 2004. |
Bush has said little about "1968". Kerry is "Mr. War Hero" who flaunts his medals (the ones he did and then did not throw). Kerry's campaign brought is linked to the CBS memo scandal, while Bush has NO direct link to SwiftVets, in fact, he's called for an end to 527s while Kerry will not. |
EXACTLY.
| Jeff Miller wrote: | | LightningBoy wrote: | | 25,000,000 liberated in Afghanistan |
Just currious, We haven't got Bin Laden and both the Talliban (SP) and Al Queda is still around. By really liberating a country doesn't that mean we have gotten rid of the threat? Granted Afganastan hasn't been in the news that much but the threat is still there. So in all honesty we haven't liberated them yet but we are doing a good job. |
No, that does not mean that. Osama is a tricky man, and most of the Taliban has been taken out, plus Iraq is going fine. We TRULY did Liberate the countries--these two are now FREE and all people have rights!
| LightningBoy wrote: | | Jeff Miller wrote: | | LightningBoy wrote: | | 25,000,000 liberated in Afghanistan |
Just currious, We haven't got Bin Laden and both the Talliban (SP) and Al Queda is still around. By really liberating a country doesn't that mean we have gotten rid of the threat? Granted Afganastan hasn't been in the news that much but the threat is still there. So in all honesty we haven't liberated them yet but we are doing a good job. |
What?! You're post doesn't even make sence. The Taliban has NO POWER in afghanistan. Actually, the Taliban is GONE. It is no more. Also, the part of Al Qaeda which holed itself up in Afghanistan in GONE. Al Qaeda is worldwide, but we took out most of their brain network. Bin Laden is more of a symbol than a strategic target. Getting him would be nice, but any military strategist knows that a leader is nothing if he has nothing to lead.
The Taliban was torn apart by the U.S. they no longer exist, Al Qaeda was extremely weakened by the U.S. and they are no longer in Afghanistan, and Bin Laden is not important right now.
So, if oppressive government is OUT of Afghanistan, then THEY ARE LIBERATED. Taliban is gone, freedom is in: LIBERATED. |
EXACTLY!
As to the person who made the opening comments
| Quote: | With numbers like that, no wonder President Bush would rather focus on 1968 instead of 2004.
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That is BULL. HOW MANY times has Bush said that Kerry's service was more honorable and heroic than his? HOW MANY? MANY. He does NOT support these attacks on Kerry's record and has tried to move on. But, when we move on, HIS record has to be attacked. Bush has NEVER critisised Kerry's record on defense. Also, about the Economy:
1. Bush inherited a recession
2. 9/11
3. We are IN A RECOVERY!
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Kyre
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| Fri Sep 24, 2004 7:20 am |
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It's difficult to imagine the idiocy that comes with comments like "Every penny, every drop of blood, everything; worth it." or "Iraq is going fine."
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LightningBoy
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| Fri Sep 24, 2004 12:09 pm |
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Typical liberal attack. You don't have any statistics or numbers to back up your claims, so you baselessly attack.
I'll stand by those comments. You have no idea what Iraq is like. You're only getting the CBS/CNN negative media picture of it. The people there support us, and only a small less than a percentage doesn't.
A sacrafise of 1000 lives is hard, but sacrafises need to be made for the better good of the world. Something you, obviously, fail to comprehend.
You really need some lessons in proper argument, especially when your claims are BASELESS, and your attacks are un-justified.
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Sep 24, 2004 4:04 pm |
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| LightningBoy wrote: | Typical liberal attack. You don't have any statistics or numbers to back up your claims, so you baselessly attack.
I'll stand by those comments. You have no idea what Iraq is like. You're only getting the CBS/CNN negative media picture of it. The people there support us, and only a small less than a percentage doesn't.
A sacrafise of 1000 lives is hard, but sacrafises need to be made for the better good of the world. Something you, obviously, fail to comprehend.
You really need some lessons in proper argument, especially when your claims are BASELESS, and your attacks are un-justified. |
EXACTLY. When I encounter Liberals at school and talk to them about the truth in Iraq, I often get, "You're listening to the American Media."
1. NO (well, if anything, the trustworthy source of FOX News)
2. I am getting it from that Iraqi councilwoman.
3. The American media is really only showing the BAD things in Iraq.
Come out of your little kool-aid drinking reality and see all of that!
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Toad
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| Fri Sep 24, 2004 5:49 pm |
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Hey Jeff Miller, your posts and comments were abolutely absurd. They didn't make any sense and were false. With over 22,000 posts I would think that you would know to know what you are talking about before you post. 
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Toad
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| Fri Sep 24, 2004 5:52 pm |
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| LightningBoy wrote: | | Typical liberal attack. You don't have any statistics or numbers to back up your claims, so you baselessly attack |
How True
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Jeff Miller
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| Sat Sep 25, 2004 12:24 am |
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| Lt.CmdrWorf wrote: | | Hey Jeff Miller, your posts and comments were abolutely absurd. They didn't make any sense and were false. With over 22,000 posts I would think that you would know to know what you are talking about before you post. |
Hey, whatever your name is. I could care less what you think about me. I just posted something you don't like what I say than don't read it. oh and last I knew doing more than one reply in a row is spaming. Anyway back onto topic. 
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Puck
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| Sat Sep 25, 2004 12:44 am |
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^Seems kind of silly to tell someone not to read something if they don't like it.  I mean...don't you have to read something before you even know what it is about. That just seems logical to me.
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Kyre
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| Sat Sep 25, 2004 8:18 am |
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| LightningBoy wrote: | Typical liberal attack. You don't have any statistics or numbers to back up your claims, so you baselessly attack.
I'll stand by those comments. You have no idea what Iraq is like. You're only getting the CBS/CNN negative media picture of it. The people there support us, and only a small less than a percentage doesn't.
A sacrafise of 1000 lives is hard, but sacrafises need to be made for the better good of the world. Something you, obviously, fail to comprehend.
You really need some lessons in proper argument, especially when your claims are BASELESS, and your attacks are un-justified. |
What I fail to comprehend is someone sitting in a comfortable chair in Minnesota ('m sure it's a lovely place) claiming that sacrifices have to be made in wars. If you were called up to Iraq, or for that matter, any future war involving America, would you go?
And one more thing. If I believe your comments to be wrong and, quite frankly, downright disgusting, I will say so. There is no claim needed when someone is giving an opinion.
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Jeff Miller
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | ^Seems kind of silly to tell someone not to read something if they don't like it. I mean...don't you have to read something before you even know what it is about. That just seems logical to me. |
Theres a difference between not caring for what someone posts and than doing a personal attack I feel what he said was a personal attack I don't go around attacking him based on what he thinks and so forth. Maybe than again I should. See how he likes it.
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LightningBoy
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| Sat Sep 25, 2004 2:19 pm |
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| Kyre wrote: | | LightningBoy wrote: | Typical liberal attack. You don't have any statistics or numbers to back up your claims, so you baselessly attack.
I'll stand by those comments. You have no idea what Iraq is like. You're only getting the CBS/CNN negative media picture of it. The people there support us, and only a small less than a percentage doesn't.
A sacrafise of 1000 lives is hard, but sacrafises need to be made for the better good of the world. Something you, obviously, fail to comprehend.
You really need some lessons in proper argument, especially when your claims are BASELESS, and your attacks are un-justified. |
What I fail to comprehend is someone sitting in a comfortable chair in Minnesota ('m sure it's a lovely place) claiming that sacrifices have to be made in wars. If you were called up to Iraq, or for that matter, any future war involving America, would you go?
And one more thing. If I believe your comments to be wrong and, quite frankly, downright disgusting, I will say so. There is no claim needed when someone is giving an opinion. |
I think you're comments are disgusting. You're telling me that every one of the men who faught and died in Iraq died in Vein? What the heck is the matter with you? And yes, if my Country calls on me, i'll be there in a heartbeat. I'd be willing to die for freedom, any day. I'm sick of your liberals who have no pride in what you are, who invent things like "tolerance" to force people to respect your backwards views. Go live in France,where you can slaughter babys and then say U.S. soldiers fought for nothing, then refuse to beleive in anything, and take pride in your accomplishements, and where you won't stand up for anything you beleive, unless you can do it in courts behind the safety of documents which you have misconstrued to fit your own twisted little purposes.
That's how you commies work... plain and simple.
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| Sat Sep 25, 2004 2:24 pm |
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| Kyre wrote: | | LightningBoy wrote: | Typical liberal attack. You don't have any statistics or numbers to back up your claims, so you baselessly attack.
I'll stand by those comments. You have no idea what Iraq is like. You're only getting the CBS/CNN negative media picture of it. The people there support us, and only a small less than a percentage doesn't.
A sacrafise of 1000 lives is hard, but sacrafises need to be made for the better good of the world. Something you, obviously, fail to comprehend.
You really need some lessons in proper argument, especially when your claims are BASELESS, and your attacks are un-justified. |
What I fail to comprehend is someone sitting in a comfortable chair in Minnesota ('m sure it's a lovely place) claiming that sacrifices have to be made in wars. If you were called up to Iraq, or for that matter, any future war involving America, would you go?
And one more thing. If I believe your comments to be wrong and, quite frankly, downright disgusting, I will say so. There is no claim needed when someone is giving an opinion. |
IM so sick of Democrats, namely Michael Moore, saying this. Guess what? There is no draft. So would you stop saying people are being forced into the war. Right now people are choosing to join the military! Guess what the military does? They are the ones who fight in the wars! The defend their country genius. Who did you think went to war the NYPD?
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Toad
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| Fri Oct 01, 2004 1:38 pm |
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | ^Seems kind of silly to tell someone not to read something if they don't like it. I mean...don't you have to read something before you even know what it is about. That just seems logical to me. |
My point exactly
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