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Puck The Texan
Joined: 05 Jan 2004 Posts: 5596
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Mon Sep 13, 2004 8:08 pm Is it Necessary to Sacrifice Morals For Power? |
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Do yall think it is possible for a person to get into a powerful leadership role, such as President of a country, without sacrificing any of their morals or values along the way, and avoid becoming corrupt? I want to be get into politics one day, and everytime I tell anyone at school this, like my teachers or friends, they kind of laugh and ask, if I am a cheater, or a liar. I so no, then they say I either will be, or I won't make it.
So what do yall think? Is it possible for a person to become a senator, or even President without becoming corrupt along the way?
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I forgot to mention that all I want is yalls opinion on it. Please refrain from bringing in any specific people, or trying to push any agenda. Thanks.
Last edited by Puck on Mon Sep 13, 2004 9:04 pm; edited 1 time in total
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Republican_Man STV's Premier Conservative
Joined: 26 Mar 2004 Posts: 14823 Location: Classified
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Mon Sep 13, 2004 8:11 pm |
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Yes, I do. President Bush has done so, and so did Reagan, and so would I, if I ever ran. Morals are a PART of your campaign and your office.
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Sam Kenobi Not a Duke
Joined: 13 Jun 2003 Posts: 10373 Location: The 'Verse
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Mon Sep 13, 2004 8:13 pm |
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I think that, in order to achieve a place like that in politics, you may have to step on a few feet, but this can still be done with morals intact. Granted, I'm not a very political person, so I wouldn't know too well, but I think it's possible.
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Defiant Fleet Admiral
Joined: 04 Jul 2001 Posts: 15946 Location: Oregon City, OR
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Mon Sep 13, 2004 8:48 pm |
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You should really stop trying to turn this into something political for your party like you just did RM.
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Jeff Miller Fleet Admiral
Joined: 22 Nov 2001 Posts: 23947 Location: Mental Ward for the Mentaly Unstable 6th floor, Saint John's 1615 Delaware Longview Washington 98632
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Mon Sep 13, 2004 10:56 pm |
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I would gladly trade my morals in for power anytime
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Sam Kenobi Not a Duke
Joined: 13 Jun 2003 Posts: 10373 Location: The 'Verse
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Mon Sep 13, 2004 11:04 pm |
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and then you'll go straight to hell
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Defiant Fleet Admiral
Joined: 04 Jul 2001 Posts: 15946 Location: Oregon City, OR
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Mon Sep 13, 2004 11:11 pm |
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Heh, Jeff is the ruler of hell. We all know that.
I wouldnt sacrifice my morals. I dont need power. Of course I say this now, and I really cant tell one way or the other until I am in a situation like that, but I would like to think that I wouldnt sacrifice my morals.
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Jeff Miller Fleet Admiral
Joined: 22 Nov 2001 Posts: 23947 Location: Mental Ward for the Mentaly Unstable 6th floor, Saint John's 1615 Delaware Longview Washington 98632
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Mon Sep 13, 2004 11:14 pm |
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Defiant wrote: | Heh, Jeff is the ruler of hell. We all know that. |
Hmm, That has a nice ring to it. Thanks Mark and to think I thought you didn't think about me. oh and thanks Triam.
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Defiant Fleet Admiral
Joined: 04 Jul 2001 Posts: 15946 Location: Oregon City, OR
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Mon Sep 13, 2004 11:15 pm |
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Heh, lol. All I say is heh.
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Jeff Miller Fleet Admiral
Joined: 22 Nov 2001 Posts: 23947 Location: Mental Ward for the Mentaly Unstable 6th floor, Saint John's 1615 Delaware Longview Washington 98632
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Mon Sep 13, 2004 11:21 pm |
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Now, bow down to the Jeff
back on topic.
I think its possible depending on what kind of power you want there are people who have morals and power like the guy who owns Nintendo. He owns a major company and he hasn't sold out to anyone.
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superwoman Vice Admiral
Joined: 25 May 2004 Posts: 5742 Location: Sweden
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Tue Sep 14, 2004 6:38 am |
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I voted no, but now that I think about it... it all depends on what morals you have in the first place!
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Angeldust The Mob Queen
Joined: 28 Jul 2004 Posts: 6498 Location: In your most wonderful, screwed up dreams. :P
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Tue Sep 14, 2004 7:48 am |
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It is extremely difficult to break into the political arena nowadays and stay honest. Immorality is so much the norm in American politics that few people bat an eyelash at it anymore. Dirty politics is the name of the game in today's world, and until the public gets tired of it, I don't think that will change.
Just an opinion.
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superwoman Vice Admiral
Joined: 25 May 2004 Posts: 5742 Location: Sweden
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Tue Sep 14, 2004 8:03 am |
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Quote: | Dirty politics is the name of the game in today's world |
Yup I looove dirty politics... For me, it's like instead of watching days of our lives or something, I watch politics.
But I don't like it when politicians use the goverments jet plane to fly to italy or whereever, to se a football game... (something like that did happen here) And that's the downside with dirty politics... it's the taxpayers that have to pay for it.
OooOo A question! I've allways wondered how much tax do one pay in USA? I've heard that it's low but I've never seen any numbers. (here is about 30%)
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Angeldust The Mob Queen
Joined: 28 Jul 2004 Posts: 6498 Location: In your most wonderful, screwed up dreams. :P
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Tue Sep 14, 2004 8:07 am |
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It depends on what state you live in. The sales tax is never over 8%, I think. The thing with that is we pay State Tax, Federal Tax, Income Tax, Property Tax and I'm pretty sure there are some others I am not remembering right now... It probably adds up to about the same as you pay... in the end...
But don't quote me on that...
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Captain Dappet Forum Revolutionist
Joined: 06 Feb 2002 Posts: 16756 Location: On my supersonic rocket ship.
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Tue Sep 14, 2004 12:03 pm |
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There are many politicians throughout history that hasn't lost their morals. President Bush has strong morals, and he keeps them, I don't agree with him, but still.
Tito of Yugoslavia kept his. Just to mention a few.
It is possible to keep your morals, though it may be hard. Power does corrupt.
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IntrepidIsMe Pimp Handed
Joined: 14 Jun 2002 Posts: 13057 Location: New York
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Tue Sep 14, 2004 7:42 pm |
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I said "slight chance." If your morals aren't the majority's then it might be necessary. But I don't think that you'd have to give up your own.
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Angeldust The Mob Queen
Joined: 28 Jul 2004 Posts: 6498 Location: In your most wonderful, screwed up dreams. :P
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Wed Sep 15, 2004 2:44 am |
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^ I love your signature. That is a great quote.
Power does indeed corrupt. I suppose if you are steadfast in your morality, then you will be able to make it to the top and keep them. Maybe the people that lost their values and principles on their way to the top didn't really want to keep them in the first place...
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Gondor Girl Princess of Ithilien
Joined: 27 Sep 2003 Posts: 3966 Location: Henneth Anun, Ithilien
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Sun Sep 19, 2004 6:09 pm |
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Yeah that's quite possible. I voted that it is indeed possible to reach political greatness without losing morals. President Bush hasn't lost his morals, and if we can look way back into history for a bit, I'm pretty sure that Caesar Augustus didn't lose his morals either when he was reaching greatness or when he was ruling. I think it was because of his dislike of bad morals that he reached greatness, but don't quote me on that, cause I'm not sure. I'm not to good with my Roman history.
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