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Los Commodore
Joined: 07 Jun 2002 Posts: 1336 Location: Oklahoma fa sho!
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Tue Apr 08, 2003 8:55 pm |
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Warp 10 > Warp 13.
Rates of speed can be changed but that infinite constant cannot be broken into by conventional means.
Transwarp > convetional warp
Its like the speed of sound; people thought that was the end all of everything but yet, decades later, we're two or three times faster than the speed of sound.
I await your rebuttal.
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Lt.BirdGod Captain
Joined: 02 Jan 2002 Posts: 619 Location: Sol System, 3rd planet from the Sun
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Wed Apr 09, 2003 3:12 pm |
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An interesting debate, no doubt. But has anyone come up with the possibility, OF A NEW WARP SCALE?? They've done it once before mind you, it could happen again.
And it was not a future created by Q, it was an alternate future, what would have happened had Q not intervened. But then again, a causality loop. Q gave Picard the reason to scan those co-ordinates, but without Q, the Phoenomenon would have never been created. An infinite causality loop.
As the dealy with the nacelles, the more nacelles you have, a greater interaction of the fields, but of course, they need a higher warp reactor. And with the Stargazer, she just didn't have enough energy to power those nacelles.
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Los Commodore
Joined: 07 Jun 2002 Posts: 1336 Location: Oklahoma fa sho!
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Thu Apr 10, 2003 2:05 am |
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Why would you redefine a warp scale? I would think that, at least, they would make warp 10 a bit more achievable with a singularity warp field and using that, hit a warp tide that'll send them to all points at once and back; or how bout just letting them fuggers fold.
Looking back at what I wrote, I have no frikken clue what I wrote.
But it makes sense, right?
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Hitomi Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 08 Nov 2002 Posts: 274 Location: The Mystic Moon
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Yah,......sure. (hides face and giggles)
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Hyper Ensign
Joined: 07 Apr 2003 Posts: 60 Location: UK
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Sun Apr 13, 2003 7:08 pm |
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Los wrote: | Warp 10 > Warp 13.
Rates of speed can be changed but that infinite constant cannot be broken into by conventional means.
Transwarp > convetional warp
Its like the speed of sound; people thought that was the end all of everything but yet, decades later, we're two or three times faster than the speed of sound.
I await your rebuttal.
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Yeah, but transwarp isnt infinite velocity. I dont think you actually truly know the meaning of infinite do you? Infinity is the name given to something we cannot quantify. Infinity is NOT a number, its a mathematical symbol, just like +, -, = etc.
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IntrepidIsMe Pimp Handed
Joined: 14 Jun 2002 Posts: 13057 Location: New York
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Sat Apr 19, 2003 4:33 pm |
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Warp 10 was reached in the Voyager episode "Threshold"
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Hyper Ensign
Joined: 07 Apr 2003 Posts: 60 Location: UK
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Mon Apr 21, 2003 5:42 pm |
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IntrepidIsMe wrote: | Warp 10 was reached in the Voyager episode "Threshold" | Yeah, but it still wasnt infinite velocity.
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Hitomi Lieutenant Commander
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Mon Apr 28, 2003 7:31 am |
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And besides, there were a lot of problems with that episode. For example, the shuttle they used, a type 9, is only capable of a max speed of warp 5.8-6.0 Based on this, how could tom have reached the speeds he was calling out during the tests? "Warp 9.5, 9.6, 9.7, 9.8, 9.9, 10!" The shuttle would have flown apart way before he would have gotten to this speed.
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PrankishSmart Rear Admiral
Joined: 29 Apr 2002 Posts: 4779 Location: Hobart, Australia.
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Wed Apr 30, 2003 8:24 am |
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Hitomi wrote: | And besides, there were a lot of problems with that episode. For example, the shuttle they used, a type 9, is only capable of a max speed of warp 5.8-6.0 Based on this, how could tom have reached the speeds he was calling out during the tests? "Warp 9.5, 9.6, 9.7, 9.8, 9.9, 10!" The shuttle would have flown apart way before he would have gotten to this speed. |
From what I remember, tom engaged the transwarp drive at like warp 7 or so. Maybe this somehow reduces the stress, and it was a specially fitted shuttle for the flight. I saw the episode not that long ago actually.
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starnova Commodore
Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 1544 Location: Commodore on the USS Farraget
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Fri Aug 27, 2004 1:03 pm |
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maybe but thats saying s small shuttle can stand the stress of warp 10 when a starship cant with the same mods.
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Sonic74205 Rear Admiral
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Sat Aug 28, 2004 4:09 pm |
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A type 9 shuttle has a max speed of only warp 4 (Resolutions[VOY])
Having more necelles doesn't really do anything accept give the ship more power. Thats about it. I think it might slightly increase the ships speed. But thats about it.
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Five - seveN Rear Admiral
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Sun Aug 29, 2004 2:52 pm |
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More nacelles do make the ship a bit faster, but if you have more nacelles, it's more difficult to maintain the warp field... They've been experimenting with other numbers of nacelles ever since warp drive was discovered, but only recently Starfleet was able to make a working ship with four nacelles (Prometheus). The only exception (as far as I know) is the Freedom class, which has one nacelle
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starnova Commodore
Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 1544 Location: Commodore on the USS Farraget
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Mon Aug 30, 2004 11:41 pm |
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as hakotay said necelles produce power but with that may warp necelles that may mean the the ship needs ALOT of power which could also mean faster warp.
i could be wrong.
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Solitary Poet Captain
Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 805 Location: Lancaster (Dallas), Texas
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Tue Aug 31, 2004 2:40 pm |
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The Warp-core produces the power. More nacelles simply means that the can sustain the ships maximum warp for longer periods of time, it doesn�t mean that the ship can go faster.
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starnova Commodore
Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 1544 Location: Commodore on the USS Farraget
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Tue Aug 31, 2004 9:53 pm |
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but at least the prometeus can hold at warp for a while since it has 4 necelles.
i could be wrong.
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Sonic74205 Rear Admiral
Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 4081 Location: England
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Wed Sep 01, 2004 8:28 am |
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Five - seveN wrote: | More nacelles do make the ship a bit faster, but if you have more nacelles, it's more difficult to maintain the warp field... They've been experimenting with other numbers of nacelles ever since warp drive was discovered, but only recently Starfleet was able to make a working ship with four nacelles (Prometheus). The only exception (as far as I know) is the Freedom class, which has one nacelle |
The first class of ship with 4 necelles was the constellation class:
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starnova Commodore
Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 1544 Location: Commodore on the USS Farraget
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Wed Sep 01, 2004 9:50 pm |
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isnt the constellation class form kirk's time?
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Sonic74205 Rear Admiral
Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 4081 Location: England
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Thu Sep 02, 2004 7:49 am |
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Yeah.
Picards ship before the enterprise was the USS Stargazer (Constellation class) seen in "The battle" [Season 1 TNG]
The USS Hathaway was seen in "peak performance" [Season 2 TNG]
It was an 80 year old ship used in a war game with the enterprise (Love that episode!)
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Kuro-chan Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 13 Jul 2004 Posts: 335 Location: Kitchener, Ontario, Canada
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Thu Sep 02, 2004 5:54 pm |
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Hyper is correct with that assumption. Since there does appear to be any logical canon support to prove this theory, we'll keep it as a "Theory."
In "All Good Things" we hear "Warp 13" which to me sounds like a remade TNG Warp Scale to accomodate new speeds beyond Warp 9.99 I tend to believe this theory as it would seem ridiculous to state "Warp 9.99997, Helmsman!" ss the warp curve quickly rises the closer the decimal point is to 10. I would believe the system was remade to keep things simple for the field officers. They often have their hand full as it is with keeping the ship operational.
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starnova Commodore
Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 1544 Location: Commodore on the USS Farraget
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Mon Sep 06, 2004 2:48 am |
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ya they probabbly made a new scale by then.
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Five - seveN Rear Admiral
Joined: 13 Jun 2004 Posts: 3567 Location: Shadow Moon
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Mon Sep 06, 2004 4:55 am |
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Chakotay1988 wrote: | Five - seveN wrote: | More nacelles do make the ship a bit faster, but if you have more nacelles, it's more difficult to maintain the warp field... They've been experimenting with other numbers of nacelles ever since warp drive was discovered, but only recently Starfleet was able to make a working ship with four nacelles (Prometheus). The only exception (as far as I know) is the Freedom class, which has one nacelle |
The first class of ship with 4 necelles was the constellation class:
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ok ur right.i forgot about that. But the prometheus is the first ship able to maintain a fast and stable warp field.
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Mustkillbret Rear Admiral
Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 2945 Location: Here and There, Mostly There
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Wed Sep 08, 2004 9:02 am |
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prometheus has 5 naccels I think, the more naccells you have, the more stable the warp field, you have to have an even number of warp coils most ships have 2 Intrepid, Galaxy, Nova, Constitution, NX, many of them do
but others have two warp coils per naccell, Galaxy X has 6 warp coils instead of two, prometheus more than likely also has 6, constellation has 4, the more naccells you have, the more stable your flight is, making it easier to attain higher speeds... but thats just off of the top of my head, im not totally sure.
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starnova Commodore
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Mon Sep 13, 2004 10:14 pm |
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but why not odd numbers like 3,5,and 7.
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