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| Quote: | Bush Now Saying 'We Will Win' Terror War
By JENNIFER LOVEN
NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) - President Bush said Tuesday ``we will win'' the war on terror, seeking to quell controversy and Democratic criticism over his earlier remark that victory may not be possible.
In a speech to the national convention of the American Legion, Bush said, ``We meet today in a time of war for our country, a war we did not start yet one that we will win.
That statement differed from Bush's earlier comment, aired Monday in a pre-taped television interview, that ``I don't think you can win'' the war on terror. That had Democrats running for the cameras to criticize Bush for being defeatist and flip-flopping from previous predictions of victory.
``What if President Reagan had said that it may be difficult to win the war against communism? What if other presidents had said it'd be difficult to win the war - the Cold War?'' Democratic vice presidential candidate John Edwards said on ABC's ``Nightline'' program. ``The war on terrorism is absolutely winnable.''
Bush's comment - and the ensuing criticism - took attention away from the carefully crafted image of Bush being broadcast from the Republican National Convention in New York, as a decisive wartime commander in chief who is securing America's safety and sure of the course on which he has set the nation.
As Bush continued a pre-convention journey through one closely contested state after another, aides scrambled to clarify the president's remark and contain the story. And in Tuesday's speech before the American Legion, with popular Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona by his side, Bush himself hit back.
``In this different kind of war, we may never sit down at a peace table. But make no mistake about it, we are winning and we will win,'' Bush said, pausing to grin slightly. ``We will win by staying on the offensive, we will win by spreading liberty.''
The campaign of Democratic presidential challenger John Kerry merely pounced again.
``This president has gone from mission accomplished to mission miscalculated to mission impossible on the war on terror,'' Kerry spokesman Phil Singer said.
The president also appealed to a constituency so important in this election that Kerry is breaking with a tradition that the other side remains quiet during their opponent's convention and will speak to the American Legion meeting on Wednesday.
Bush cited increased funding for veterans programs that is bringing more health care to more people more quickly, focusing resources on the veterans who most need help, allowing veterans to receive both military retired pay and disability compensation, and providing additional housing.
``Our nation's veterans have made serving America the highest priority of your lives and that is why I have made serving our nation's vets one of the highest priorities of my administration,'' the president said.
The Kerry campaign disputed that, saying Bush's budgets have fallen far short of what veterans need and promising that Kerry would reverse that.
Bush launched a fresh attack on Kerry, this one specailly tailored for the veterans audience. Bush derided his opponent for opposing his plan for a major troop realignment that would eventually bring about 70,000 American soldiers back to the United States.
``That's his right to do so. It's a campaign, he's allowed to say what he believes,'' the president said. ``The only problem is that he endorsed the idea just 17 days earlier.''
The Kerry campaign said Bush was mischaracterizing the Democrat's position. Kerry argued that Bush's policy would dangerously reduce forces at a time when the nation is fighting the al-Qaida terrorist network in 60 countries across the globe and when the North Korea-South Korea border remains volatile. Kerry said he would only withdraw troops after help from other nations had been secured.
Bush's campaign swing will land him in New York on Wednesday, a day before his convention speech accepting the GOP nomination for a second term. From Nashville, Bush travels to Alleman, Iowa, to attend a farm show and ends the long day of campaigning in another crucial state, Pennsylvania, where he makes a late-evening appearance at a picnic.
Also Tuesday, Bush said on NBC's ``Today'' show that he will continue pursuing diplomatic rather than military options to try to get Iran to halt its nuclear program. Earlier this month, Iran confirmed it had resumed building nuclear centrifuges, which can be used to enrich uranium to weapons grade, and declared it should have the right to advanced nuclear technology.
While he's ``deeply concerned'' by Iran's actions, Bush said diplomatic efforts are just beginning there and he's hopeful they will be successful. |
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| Tue Aug 31, 2004 8:35 pm |
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Soon we WILL have to go into Iran--as diplomacy will run out and they present a grave danger to us.
And I know that the Dems will say, "Well, what about what he said on the Today Show about us 'not being able to win' the War on Terror"--but then they would be distorting it, because he was talking about in the next 4 years.
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| Tue Aug 31, 2004 9:37 pm |
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Thats nice. Time period doesnt matter.
OMG! DONT YOU GET IT? Everyones pissed that we went in and ruined afghanistan, iraq, etc, that we send our soldiers over and all, and NOW YOURE TALKING ABOUT GOING TO GET IRAN TOO! Geez, why dont they just send us their oil, and give us their land. Thats all Bush cares about.
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| Tue Aug 31, 2004 10:02 pm |
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| Defiant wrote: | Thats nice. Time period doesnt matter.
OMG! DONT YOU GET IT? Everyones pissed that we went in and ruined afghanistan, iraq, etc, that we send our soldiers over and all, and NOW YOURE TALKING ABOUT GOING TO GET IRAN TOO! Geez, why dont they just send us their oil, and give us their land. Thats all Bush cares about. |
1. You call LIBERATING two countries and getting rid of Rape Rooms and torture chambers and stopping the beating of citizens for losing the Olympics and stopping mass graves and MORE RUINING THE COUNTRY! That's CRAP!
2. I was saying that at ONE POINT we would have to go in there because it is POSITIVE that they have WMD programs now and have greatly supported terrorism.
3. Bush does NOT just care about getting oil--we haven't EVEN TAKEN IT, damn it!
4. We don't "just care about getting the land."
5. Stop being a fool and wise up.
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Well Defiant makes a good point.
You cant attack countries without a good justification.
WAR is not the only solution too all problems.
Handling issues through peace talks is better than sending thousands of troops to invade a country.
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We do have justification. Peace talks? With people who kill themselves to kill us? With a govenrment who oppress their own people? With a country that hates us? Who do we negotiate with them?
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| Wed Sep 01, 2004 7:34 am |
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| Defiant wrote: | Thats nice. Time period doesnt matter.
OMG! DONT YOU GET IT? Everyones pissed that we went in and ruined afghanistan, iraq, etc, that we send our soldiers over and all, and NOW YOURE TALKING ABOUT GOING TO GET IRAN TOO! Geez, why dont they just send us their oil, and give us their land. Thats all Bush cares about. |
Afghanistan ruined???? I honestly cannot see how you think that, unless you are exaggerating the circumstances to make a point. As for Iran, he said that we were going to continue to try diplomatic solutions with them. Oh yeah, and we need that nice dessert hell-hole of middle-eastern land, I bet Bush just can't wait until he conquers it for us, maybe soon I will have a few acres of sand for myself.  My goodness, get a grip. And btw, I didn't know that everyone is "pissed" that we went into Iraq and Afghanistan. (idk where you got the ETC from considering those are the only two countries we have been in...but maybe that was just you trying to exaggerat again ) But anyhow, I am glad that you are just such a friendly guy that you know "everyone" and can tell us that, by God, it is just that no one wanted these wars...except for those right wing nut-jobs.
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You cant win a war against something like Terrorism. And additionally, you didn't win "The war against Communism". We're still around, are we not? And we still have China, even though they're becoming more Capitalist by each day, and Vietnam, which is a very poor country, unfortunately, and Cuba. Fidel has done a decent job so far, and I hope his successor will do the same.
Note that I'm not even mentioning North Korea. Thats a totalitarian dictatorship run by a nutcase. It pisses me off that he has the nerve to call himself a Communist.
Bloody Fascist.
Anyway, back on topic: Terrorism can be fought back, for now, perhaps. But it will never be defeated, it just cant be done.
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I agree. You can not defeat an idea. All you can do is make certain ideas less acceptable in society, and hopefully minimize the number of people supporting the idea.
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| Wed Sep 01, 2004 5:06 pm |
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| Founder wrote: | | We do have justification. Peace talks? With people who kill themselves to kill us? With a govenrment who oppress their own people? With a country that hates us? Who do we negotiate with them? |
Agreed.
| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | Defiant wrote: | Thats nice. Time period doesnt matter.
OMG! DONT YOU GET IT? Everyones pissed that we went in and ruined afghanistan, iraq, etc, that we send our soldiers over and all, and NOW YOURE TALKING ABOUT GOING TO GET IRAN TOO! Geez, why dont they just send us their oil, and give us their land. Thats all Bush cares about. |
Afghanistan ruined???? I honestly cannot see how you think that, unless you are exaggerating the circumstances to make a point. As for Iran, he said that we were going to continue to try diplomatic solutions with them. Oh yeah, and we need that nice dessert hell-hole of middle-eastern land, I bet Bush just can't wait until he conquers it for us, maybe soon I will have a few acres of sand for myself. My goodness, get a grip. And btw, I didn't know that everyone is "pissed" that we went into Iraq and Afghanistan. (idk where you got the ETC from considering those are the only two countries we have been in...but maybe that was just you trying to exaggerat again ) But anyhow, I am glad that you are just such a friendly guy that you know "everyone" and can tell us that, by God, it is just that no one wanted these wars...except for those right wing nut-jobs. |
Whooo hooo!
| Captain Dappet wrote: | You cant win a war against something like Terrorism. And additionally, you didn't win "The war against Communism". We're still around, are we not? And we still have China, even though they're becoming more Capitalist by each day, and Vietnam, which is a very poor country, unfortunately, and Cuba. Fidel has done a decent job so far, and I hope his successor will do the same.
Fidel has done a decent job! Tell that to the Cuban refugees! He's a HORRIBLE man and Dicator.
Note that I'm not even mentioning North Korea. Thats a totalitarian dictatorship run by a nutcase. It pisses me off that he has the nerve to call himself a Communist.
He IS Communist. And so was Russia. And they were Fascists too.
Bloody Fascist.
Anyway, back on topic: Terrorism can be fought back, for now, perhaps. But it will never be defeated, it just cant be done. |
| Quote: | | I agree. You can not defeat an idea. All you can do is make certain ideas less acceptable in society, and hopefully minimize the number of people supporting the idea. |
Of course it can't be COMPLETELY defeated, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't go after them.
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| Quote: | | Fidel has done a decent job! Tell that to the Cuban refugees! He's a HORRIBLE man and Dicator. |
They're most probably vandals and criminals and perhaps even traitors, most of them. You try fighting against your beloved President and your Government. See how long you'd last. The Cuban people is very united at the moment. Let me turn this around, then; Try telling a Cuban, on Cuba, that Fidel is a horrible man. I dont think they'd like that.
Anyhow, on topic: I dont like Iran, but going there this fast, or at all, perhaps wouldnt be the best of ideas.
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At least 70% of the Cuban refugees we get are children. Vandals, criminals and traitors? Or is the other 30% to which you refer? And quite possibly the parents of these children that sneak them out of the country.
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| Captain Dappet wrote: | | Quote: | | Fidel has done a decent job! Tell that to the Cuban refugees! He's a HORRIBLE man and Dicator. |
They're most probably vandals and criminals and perhaps even traitors, most of them. You try fighting against your beloved President and your Government. See how long you'd last. The Cuban people is very united at the moment. Let me turn this around, then; Try telling a Cuban, on Cuba, that Fidel is a horrible man. I dont think they'd like that.
Anyhow, on topic: I dont like Iran, but going there this fast, or at all, perhaps wouldnt be the best of ideas. |
Dude Im Cuban and your wrong. People are suffering they aren't united. The refugees are not vandal, criminal, and traitors. Well unless you call someone who no longer wants to suffer under a communism a traitor. Beloved President!? Im not even going to comment on you saying that after what that man has done. I don't need to tell a Cuban over there anything becuse I have family there and they know. He is a horrible man. You can call my family a traitor, vandal, or criminal for all I care, I just know you got your facts very mixed up.
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Fine, I apologize. I spoke out of turn, and I apologize.
And I wasn't referring to Fidel as "beloved President", I was referring to Bush. 
Anyhow, this is pretty off-topic, so let's drop the subject.
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| Captain Dappet wrote: | Fine, I apologize. I spoke out of turn, and I apologize.
And I wasn't referring to Fidel as "beloved President", I was referring to Bush.
Anyhow, this is pretty off-topic, so let's drop the subject. |
Your point:
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They're most probably vandals and criminals and perhaps even traitors, most of them. You try fighting against your beloved President and your Government. See how long you'd last. The Cuban people is very united at the moment. Let me turn this around, then; Try telling a Cuban, on Cuba, that Fidel is a horrible man. I dont think they'd like that.
Anyhow, on topic: I dont like Iran, but going there this fast, or at all, perhaps wouldnt be the best of ideas. |
Vandals! Criminals! I'm glad you cleared THAT up...
Our government is WAY different from Fidel's so I don't know how you can make that comparison. And if so, WHY are there SO MANY refugees? And why don't you move to Cuba?
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It's time to end the peace talks and act.
We need to put away the brooms and pull out the guns. Serious action needs to take place if anything is going to get accomplished.
The foreign leaders and peacenicks will hate it, but there's no other answer. We're seeing it in Russia, we're seeing it in Iraq, and we've seen it hit us. Islamic Extremists, or whatever you want to label them if that's too "non-PC" for you, they are saying its on behalf of Islam, though they're actions contradict what Islam really stands for. Anyway, they have no heart. They're taking CHILDREN hostage in Russia as we speak, they target CIVILIANS, they don't care who they kill, so long as they're prosporous good people, we've seen them target muslims in Saudi Araibia, among Christians in the U.S., Jews in Israel, and others. They WON'T stop until either we are dead or they are.
The war on terrorism is a war on Islamic Extremism, don't kid youeself that it's not. They are the most dangerous enemy in the modern world, and they are the most ruthless killers of our time. Talk is meaningless.
The U.S.A needs to go on a world tour and whipe them all out, and let each country rebuild itself on a solid foundation. We need to get out of the quagmire in Iraq since we've already taken out their government, and we need to get into another Extreme Islamic state and take its government out. The time for Sensitivity came to an end when 3000 good people lost their lives in 9/11 because of the heartless.
Sorry if you think that it's cold, war-mongering, or hasty, but apathy is only going to let them get stronger. Bush has been very laxidasical on the war on Terror, that's my #1 complaint about him. It's time to move out of Iraq, there's nothing more we can do there, we can help the people of Iraq other ways, but the attacks there are not the same organised threat we are facing elsewhere and faced theer before. These insurgents will stop if we move out of Iraq, and Iraq will rebuild prosporously, and happily; and Iraq will gain trust on the U.S. We've done a great job there so far, and our military has server admirably and honorably, but it's time to move on, and get the terrorists in Iran, Chechneya, Singapore, or North Korea.
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| LightningBoy wrote: | It's time to end the peace talks and act.
We need to put away the brooms and pull out the guns. Serious action needs to take place if anything is going to get accomplished.
The foreign leader and peacenicks will hate it, but there's no other answer. We're seeing it in Russia, we're seeing it in Iraq, and we've seen it hit us. Islamic Extremists, or whatever you want to label them if that's too "non-PC" for you, they are saying its on behalf of Islam, though they're actions contradict what Islam really stands for. Anyway, they have no heart. They're taking CHILDREN hostage in Russia as we speak, they target CIVILIANS, they don't care who they kill, so long as they're prosporous good people, we've seen them target muslims in Saudi Araibia, among Christians in the U.S., Jews in Israel, and others. They WON'T stop until either we are dead or they are.
Amen!
The war on terrorism is a war on Islamic Extremism, don't kid youeself that it's not. They are the most dangerous enemy in the modern world, and they are the most ruthless killers of our time. Talk is meaning less.
Agreed, but it's not JUST a war on Islamic Extremism, but that is our main enemy.
U.S.A needs to go on a world tour and whipe them all out, and let each country rebuild itself on a solid foundation.
And we've done that.
We need to get out of the quagmire in Iraq since we've already taken out their government, and we need to get into another Extreme Islamic state and take its government out. The time for Sensitivity came to an end when 3000 good people lost their lives in 9/11 because of the heartless.
Agreed in the last sentence, but we CAN'T leave Iraq yet, otherwise the terrorists will gain control again. I would think that you of all people could understand that.
Sorry if you think that it's cold, war-mongering, or hasty, but apathy is only going to let them get stronger.
I agree 100%. I don't see it as war-mongering, but as something that is more like "we REALLY need to take the fight to the terrorists--HARD."
Bush has been very laxidasical on the war on Terror, that's my #1 complaint about him.
Given he could do better, but he's handled this war very well, I think. A LOT better than Gore or Kerry could do, btw.
It's time to move out of Iraq, there's nothing more we can do there, we can help the people of Iraq, but the attacks there are not the same organised threat we are facing elsewhere.
It's NOT all about the Iraqis, my friend, but that the terrorists are in Iraq and we need to stay there. And as I said before--we can't leave Iraq yet.
These insurgents will stop if we move out of Iraq, and Iraq will rebuilt prosporously, and happily, and gain trust on the U.S.
My God, Lightning! What's happened to you? They'll STOP if we move out of Iraq! NO! That is an EXTREMELY Liberal viewpoint--the opposite is true. If we move out, then things will become WORSE (MUCH worse because things aren't too bad there). Your arguement there is very much like the Libs saying that if we don't act on terrorism, then they will stop. That is NOT true.
we've done a great job there so far, and our military has server admirably and honorably, but it's time to move on, and get the terrorists in Iran, Chechneya, Singapore, or North Korea. |
1. Iran MUST be our next target
The rest of the countries aren't AS important--well, North Korea is, but we can't go in there yet.
Otherwise, I agree that we REALLY need to take the fight to the terrorists, but if we do COMPLETELY what you're suggesting, then few will support the President; there will be a coup; there will be MANY protests; and then we'll have to go into a country and then leave it immidiately after the war, and that's something we can't do.
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| Captain Dappet wrote: | Fine, I apologize. I spoke out of turn, and I apologize.
And I wasn't referring to Fidel as "beloved President", I was referring to Bush.
Anyhow, this is pretty off-topic, so let's drop the subject. |
No need to apologize my friend. I didn't mean to get angry, I just get annoyed when people say things are good down there. It really isn't. Its what Castro is allowing you to see. 
| LightningBoy wrote: | It's time to end the peace talks and act.
We need to put away the brooms and pull out the guns. Serious action needs to take place if anything is going to get accomplished.
The foreign leaders and peacenicks will hate it, but there's no other answer. We're seeing it in Russia, we're seeing it in Iraq, and we've seen it hit us. Islamic Extremists, or whatever you want to label them if that's too "non-PC" for you, they are saying its on behalf of Islam, though they're actions contradict what Islam really stands for. Anyway, they have no heart. They're taking CHILDREN hostage in Russia as we speak, they target CIVILIANS, they don't care who they kill, so long as they're prosporous good people, we've seen them target muslims in Saudi Araibia, among Christians in the U.S., Jews in Israel, and others. They WON'T stop until either we are dead or they are.
The war on terrorism is a war on Islamic Extremism, don't kid youeself that it's not. They are the most dangerous enemy in the modern world, and they are the most ruthless killers of our time. Talk is meaningless.
The U.S.A needs to go on a world tour and whipe them all out, and let each country rebuild itself on a solid foundation. We need to get out of the quagmire in Iraq since we've already taken out their government, and we need to get into another Extreme Islamic state and take its government out. The time for Sensitivity came to an end when 3000 good people lost their lives in 9/11 because of the heartless.
Sorry if you think that it's cold, war-mongering, or hasty, but apathy is only going to let them get stronger. Bush has been very laxidasical on the war on Terror, that's my #1 complaint about him. It's time to move out of Iraq, there's nothing more we can do there, we can help the people of Iraq other ways, but the attacks there are not the same organised threat we are facing elsewhere and faced theer before. These insurgents will stop if we move out of Iraq, and Iraq will rebuild prosporously, and happily; and Iraq will gain trust on the U.S. We've done a great job there so far, and our military has server admirably and honorably, but it's time to move on, and get the terrorists in Iran, Chechneya, Singapore, or North Korea. |
I agree with some of what you said.
"Wipe them all out". Im not sure about that. We don't have to go on a "kill every last one of them campaign." Although they are pushing us into doing just that sadly....
We can't leave Iraq. There government will fall from the terrorist attacks. We have to let them become stable first.
Bush is "laxidasical"? Are you kidding. Hes the one that has been fighting this thing. Kerry is the one who wants to take things slow...
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| Founder wrote: | | Captain Dappet wrote: | Fine, I apologize. I spoke out of turn, and I apologize.
And I wasn't referring to Fidel as "beloved President", I was referring to Bush.
Anyhow, this is pretty off-topic, so let's drop the subject. |
No need to apologize my friend. I didn't mean to get angry, I just get annoyed when people say things are good down there. It really isn't. Its what Castro is allowing you to see.
| LightningBoy wrote: | It's time to end the peace talks and act.
We need to put away the brooms and pull out the guns. Serious action needs to take place if anything is going to get accomplished.
The foreign leaders and peacenicks will hate it, but there's no other answer. We're seeing it in Russia, we're seeing it in Iraq, and we've seen it hit us. Islamic Extremists, or whatever you want to label them if that's too "non-PC" for you, they are saying its on behalf of Islam, though they're actions contradict what Islam really stands for. Anyway, they have no heart. They're taking CHILDREN hostage in Russia as we speak, they target CIVILIANS, they don't care who they kill, so long as they're prosporous good people, we've seen them target muslims in Saudi Araibia, among Christians in the U.S., Jews in Israel, and others. They WON'T stop until either we are dead or they are.
The war on terrorism is a war on Islamic Extremism, don't kid youeself that it's not. They are the most dangerous enemy in the modern world, and they are the most ruthless killers of our time. Talk is meaningless.
The U.S.A needs to go on a world tour and whipe them all out, and let each country rebuild itself on a solid foundation. We need to get out of the quagmire in Iraq since we've already taken out their government, and we need to get into another Extreme Islamic state and take its government out. The time for Sensitivity came to an end when 3000 good people lost their lives in 9/11 because of the heartless.
Sorry if you think that it's cold, war-mongering, or hasty, but apathy is only going to let them get stronger. Bush has been very laxidasical on the war on Terror, that's my #1 complaint about him. It's time to move out of Iraq, there's nothing more we can do there, we can help the people of Iraq other ways, but the attacks there are not the same organised threat we are facing elsewhere and faced theer before. These insurgents will stop if we move out of Iraq, and Iraq will rebuild prosporously, and happily; and Iraq will gain trust on the U.S. We've done a great job there so far, and our military has server admirably and honorably, but it's time to move on, and get the terrorists in Iran, Chechneya, Singapore, or North Korea. |
I agree with some of what you said.
"Wipe them all out". Im not sure about that. We don't have to go on a "kill every last one of them campaign." Although they are pushing us into doing just that sadly....
We can't leave Iraq. There government will fall from the terrorist attacks. We have to let them become stable first.
Bush is "laxidasical"? Are you kidding. Hes the one that has been fighting this thing. Kerry is the one who wants to take things slow... |
EXACTLY. Bush is the first President to REALLY do something. Reagan was the first to do something PERIOD, though.
But, you know what guys, we need to lead a more sensative War on Terror.  We MUST be sensative.
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Theresa
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| Thu Sep 02, 2004 9:59 pm |
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I agree that you can't totally defeat terrorism. But does that mean you let it go on unchecked? Like Dan, (LightningBoy) said, children are being taken hostage. What do children know of politics?
Terrorism is aptly named. It's only purpose is to instill fear. Which is why the US doesn't negotiate with terrorists. If the terrorists know they can get you to capitulate, you will be a target over and over and over.
We are targeted, and retaliate. Finally a president w/ a backbone. A president who isn't satisfied with the "status quo" and is willing to act, whether it be popular or not.
No, you may not be able to totally wipe out terrorism, but you can cripple it. Give them nowhere to hide. Cut off their supplies. Post their pictures, let them know they are hunted. Don't let them rest, keep going. Instill some fear in them.
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Sep 02, 2004 11:12 pm |
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| Theresa wrote: | I agree that you can't totally defeat terrorism. But does that mean you let it go on unchecked? Like Dan, (LightningBoy) said, children are being taken hostage. What do children know of politics?
Terrorism is aptly named. It's only purpose is to instill fear. Which is why the US doesn't negotiate with terrorists. If the terrorists know they can get you to capitulate, you will be a target over and over and over.
We are targeted, and retaliate. Finally a president w/ a backbone. A president who isn't satisfied with the "status quo" and is willing to act, whether it be popular or not.
No, you may not be able to totally wipe out terrorism, but you can cripple it. Give them nowhere to hide. Cut off their supplies. Post their pictures, let them know they are hunted. Don't let them rest, keep going. Instill some fear in them. |
Amen!
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Kyre
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So let's say the U.S. does go on a world tour of destruction. What then? I mean, they'll lose around a thousand troops in every country, because it'll be similar conditions to Iraq (IMO).
And when they come out of it with thousand and thousands of troops dead, and civilian casualties breaking the 6 figure mark, what do you think will happen? To tell you the truth, I don't even want to know. It doesn't even bear thinking about.
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Captain Dappet
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| Fri Sep 03, 2004 7:41 am |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Captain Dappet wrote: | Fine, I apologize. I spoke out of turn, and I apologize.
And I wasn't referring to Fidel as "beloved President", I was referring to Bush.
Anyhow, this is pretty off-topic, so let's drop the subject. |
Your point:
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They're most probably vandals and criminals and perhaps even traitors, most of them. You try fighting against your beloved President and your Government. See how long you'd last. The Cuban people is very united at the moment. Let me turn this around, then; Try telling a Cuban, on Cuba, that Fidel is a horrible man. I dont think they'd like that.
Anyhow, on topic: I dont like Iran, but going there this fast, or at all, perhaps wouldnt be the best of ideas. |
Vandals! Criminals! I'm glad you cleared THAT up...
Our government is WAY different from Fidel's so I don't know how you can make that comparison. And if so, WHY are there SO MANY refugees? And why don't you move to Cuba? |
Perhaps you didnt hear me right? I said let's drop the subject, so let's just do that, alright?
Good.
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LightningBoy
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| Fri Sep 03, 2004 9:42 am |
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Well, RM, here's my logic on the pull out.
I don't beleive that the resistence we're seeing in Iraq is the same threat we've seen elsewhere. They aren't Al-Qaeda linked, and they aren't linked with many of the other groups we originally set after, for instance, when we started this war, we didn't care about Al-Sadr's brigade at all, he only formed AFTER we took the more organized terrorists out. These are independant "gangs" which have formed becuase of the fact that they want the U.S. out of their country, that why we need to at least decrease troop strength there, allowing Iraq to figure ITESELF out, and to see if the local insurgencies stop.
Don't get me wrong. I know there are some insurgents from Al-Qaeda who've come in to kill people, but they would be impossible to kill unless we get them at their source.
I don't think it's liberal to want to go after the source, rather than letting them come to us. Yes, the idea of a pullout is generally liberal, but in my viewpoint, a pullout would allow us to be more proactive against the threat overall. I've rationalized a pullout with conservative beleifs.
As for our GREAT President, he's done a fantastic job on almost everything he's done for our country. Yes, he was the FIRST to act, and yes, he's acted honorably, and correctly. But, honestly, I think he's been too long in Iraq, when he could be in Iran or elsewhere.
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