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 Fri Aug 27, 2004 5:02 pm Bush: I Miscalculated Iraq Conditions |
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Bush: I Miscalculated Iraq Conditions
Friday, August 27, 2004
WASHINGTON � President Bush said Thursday that he believes he made the right decision to invade Iraq and thinks voters will not deny him a second term even if they disagree with the war.
With the number of U.S. casualties expected to reach 1,000 well before the election, Bush said, "The president has to make hard decisions. My job is to confront problems not pass them on. And the American people have seen me make the hardest of decisions. That's just going to have to be a part of their decision-making process."
He made his comments in an interview with USA Today.
Separately, he told The New York Times that he did not believe his Democratic opponent had lied about his time in Vietnam. The group Swift Boat Veterans for Truth (search) has aired advertisements challenging John Kerry's (search) account of his service, and claiming Kerry lied about circumstances surrounding his war medals. Kerry has accused Bush of using the group as a front to run a smear campaign.
"I think Senator Kerry should be proud of his record," Bush said. "No, I don't think he lied."
Bush also said in the interview that he made a "miscalculation of what the conditions would be" after U.S. troops went to Iraq.
Public opinion initially favored Bush's decision to go to war but, after months of casualties and chaos, the public is evenly divided on the subject now.
In the USA Today interview, Bush was asked why he is staying in politics.
"There's a lot of my friends who come and bass-fish with me. They don't say it out loud, I know they're thinking it: Why?" Bush said. "And the answer is because the stakes are high. Because there is more work to be done to make the world a freer and more peaceful place. It is essential that America lead in the 21st century in order to defeat the ideologues who use terror as a weapon, in order to secure the homeland, but also in order to spread liberty. I know what needs to be done, I see clearly where we need to go and I want to spend four years leading toward that goal. And I believe the American people will give me that opportunity," he said.
On other points, Bush said:
� He stands by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld despite two reports criticizing the Pentagon's management of Iraqi prisons.
� The campaign for the White House "really doesn't seem that ugly to me" despite the furor over political ads by outside groups attacking Kerry's war record.
� The most disappointing thing about his four years in office has been his inability to change the "harsh environment" in Washington.
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Seven of Nine
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| Fri Aug 27, 2004 5:52 pm |
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Yay! He's admitted his mistake 
He's gone up in my eyes, and I wish him luck in the election.
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Aug 27, 2004 6:06 pm |
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| Seven of Nine wrote: | Yay! He's admitted his mistake
He's gone up in my eyes, and I wish him luck in the election. |
So he miscalculated a bit, but do NOT blow it out of proportion.
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Seven of Nine
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| Fri Aug 27, 2004 6:18 pm |
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(Erm, RM, I'm pretty happy about that. I'm practically supporting Bush right now, so don't hurt me )
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Aug 27, 2004 6:27 pm |
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| Seven of Nine wrote: | | (Erm, RM, I'm pretty happy about that. I'm practically supporting Bush right now, so don't hurt me ) |
And why would I hurt you? She may be socialist, but you have such a cute baby! 
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Krall
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| Fri Aug 27, 2004 9:29 pm |
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I like bush. it isn't his fualt this happend while his was in office. SOmetimes the world like to be an @$$. But if anyone want to DIs the big man. Gatta get past me first.  So MUHEHEHEHEHE
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Defiant
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| Fri Aug 27, 2004 11:00 pm |
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OK, anti-bush opinion time.
Lets see...too little, too late. Why doesnt he admit the mistake to 1000 dead soldiers and their families?
Oh yah, and the 13000 dead Iraqis, and their families.
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Aug 27, 2004 11:02 pm |
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| Defiant wrote: | OK, anti-bush opinion time.
Lets see...too little, too late. Why doesnt he admit the mistake to 1000 dead soldiers and their families?
Oh yah, and the 13000 dead Iraqis, and their families. |
Give me PROOF of 13000 dead Iraqis. And Bush did, in a sense, admit the mistake, but if not, he perhaps should, but should still say, as he does, that it was NECESSARY to go to war.
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Puck
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| Fri Aug 27, 2004 11:09 pm |
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War is war, and I am sorry but people die in war whether you like it or not. You have to make the decision, are you willing to risk the lives of 1000 soldiers, or risk having another 9/11-or something even worse. I read a story the other day that made my mind up on this...it was in English. Anyhow, he made the tough choice, and he did his best, I don't think anyone can make a judgment like that on him.
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Defiant
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Puck
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| Fri Aug 27, 2004 11:13 pm |
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Yes, people die, I am glad we have figured that out.
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Aug 27, 2004 11:14 pm |
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | War is war, and I am sorry but people die in war whether you like it or not. You have to make the decision, are you willing to risk the lives of 1000 soldiers, or risk having another 9/11-or something even worse. I read a story the other day that made my mind up on this...it was in English. Anyhow, he made the tough choice, and he did his best, I don't think anyone can make a judgment like that on him. |
Yes, agreed, and what Bush should say, if anything, is "So far it has been seen that we have been mistaken about WMDs, but the war was justified. We HAD to go to defend our country."
And Defiant, forgive me if I say that I don't believe that source--13,000 Iraqis is NOT true, btw.
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Defiant
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| Fri Aug 27, 2004 11:17 pm |
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Oh? I GOT THE LINK FROM YOU. You put it up awhile ago.
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Aug 27, 2004 11:17 pm |
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| Defiant wrote: | | Oh? I GOT THE LINK FROM YOU. You put it up awhile ago. |
Forgive me, but I NEVER put up that link!
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Defiant
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| Fri Aug 27, 2004 11:34 pm |
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Well, FORGIVE ME! I am mistaken. I was pretty sure it was you though...*ponder*
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Aug 27, 2004 11:37 pm |
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| Defiant wrote: | | Well, FORGIVE ME! I am mistaken. I was pretty sure it was you though...*ponder* |
No, it was you.
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Defiant
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| Fri Aug 27, 2004 11:40 pm |
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...you dont get it. I got the link from earlier, someone ELSE posted it.
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Aug 27, 2004 11:42 pm |
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| Defiant wrote: | | ...you dont get it. I got the link from earlier, someone ELSE posted it. |
Okay then, perhaps Link?
Whatever, it doesn't matter who posted it.
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Theresa
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Defiant
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| Sat Aug 28, 2004 12:38 am |
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Oh...well, its still not false. I mean, prove otherwise.
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Link, the Hero of Time
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| Sat Aug 28, 2004 4:19 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: |
And Defiant, forgive me if I say that I don't believe that source--13,000 Iraqis is NOT true, btw. |
Yeah, I put that link up a while ago to answer a question.
And if you don't believe it RM, Count them up yourself:
http://www.iraqbodycount.net/bodycount.htm
Here's the sources they used to compile this list:
IBC News sources and Key to abbreviations
AAP Australian Associated Press
ABC ABC News (USA)
ABC[AU] ABC News Online (Australia)
ADT Daily Telegraph, Australia
AFP Agence France-Presse
AFR Australian Financial Review
AI Amnesty International
Al-Jaz Al-Jazeera network
ALB Al Bawaba
ALT Alternet.org
AN Arab News
AP Associated Press
AS Asahi Shimbun
ASB As-Sabah
AST Asia Times
AT Arab Times
AWST Aviation Week and Space Technology
B-berg Bloomberg
Balt. Sun The Baltimore Sun
BBC British Broadcasting Corporation
BG Boston Globe
BNA Bahrain News Agency
BT Bahrain Times
CBC Canadian Broadcasting Corporation
CD China Daily
CNA Channel News Asia
CNN Cable News Network
CO Commondreams.org
CP Counterpunch.org
CPC Charleston Post and Courier
CSM Christian Science Monitor
CT Chicago Tribune
DM Daily Mirror (UK)
DPA Deutsche Presse-Agentur
eTN eTaiwan News
EXP Expatica (NL)
FOX Fox News
GM Globe and Mail
GN Gulf News
GSO GlobalSecurity.org
GDN Gulf Daily News
GUA The Guardian (London)
HRW Human Rights Watch
HT Hindustan Times
ICRC International Committee of the Red Cross
IE Indian Express
IER Irish Examiner
IHT International Herald Tribune
IND The Independent (London)
IO Intellnet.org
IRIN UN Integrated Regional Information Networks
IT Irish Times
IWPR Institute for War & Peace Reporting
JaT Japan Times
JT Jordan Times
KHT Khaleej Times
KR Knight Ridder
LAT Los Angeles Times
MAG Mines Advisory Group
MEN Middle East Newsline
MEO Middle East Online
MER Middle East Report
MH Miami Herald
MHS Melbourne Herald Sun
MJ Mother Jones
MN Mercury News
NNS Newhouse News Service
NT Nando Times
NYT New York Times
NZH New Zealand Herald
NZZ Neue Z�rcher Zeitung
OBS The Observer (London)
PA Press Association
Pak T Pakistan Times
PBS Public Broadcasting Service (USA)
PDT Pakistan Daily Times
PI Philadelphia Inquirer
REU Reuters (includes Reuters Alertnet)
RFE Radio Free Europe
RLW ReliefWeb
S-L The Star-Ledger
SABC South African Broadcasting Corporation
Scot The Scotsman
SDU-T San Diego Union-Tribune
SFC San Francisco Chronicle
Sg.News The Singapore News
SL Trib Salt Lake Tribune
SMH Sydney Morning Herald
SAN Sofia News Agency
ST(AU) Sunday Times (Australia)
St Pet St. Petersburg (Florida) Times
TA The Age
Tel The Telegraph (London)
Times The Times (London)
TNIP The News International (Pakistan)
TOI Times of India
TS Toronto Star
UO Utusan Online
UPI United Press International
USA-T USA Today
VOA Voice of America News
WNN World News Network
WP Washington Post
WT Washington Times
WV Warsaw Voice
XIN Xinhua News Agency
ZAM Zaman Online
Zmag Zmag/Znet.org
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Republican_Man
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| Sat Aug 28, 2004 4:23 pm |
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1. I don't believe in 13 THOUSAND Iraqis, but I can see that there are MANY.
2. There are CASUALTIES in war.
3. Why are we more concerned about Iraqi deaths than American?
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Sat Aug 28, 2004 5:22 pm |
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That last comment seems rather rude. Why should we hold our lives higher than other people's? Not to mention these are Iraqi CITIZENS. The Americans that have died (except for a few) were in the military. They knew the risks (so did the ones who weren't in the military, obviously).
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Republican_Man
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| Sat Aug 28, 2004 6:11 pm |
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| IntrepidIsMe wrote: | | That last comment seems rather rude. Why should we hold our lives higher than other people's? Not to mention these are Iraqi CITIZENS. The Americans that have died (except for a few) were in the military. They knew the risks (so did the ones who weren't in the military, obviously). |
No, no, no, I'm sorry for portraying that sound. I meant that people are often making Iraqi lives be above American--all lives are equal. Sorry, I should have made that clear.
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| Sun Aug 29, 2004 3:44 am |
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| Quote: | | That last comment seems rather rude. Why should we hold our lives higher than other people's? Not to mention these are Iraqi CITIZENS. The Americans that have died (except for a few) were in the military. They knew the risks (so did the ones who weren't in the military, obviously). |
Ironic that you say that. Democrats always say "Our nation's economy is in shambles and what does Bush do? He sends out money to help foreign nations for oil and blah blah blah." We help other countries attain the freedom we have and what happens? We get complaints. People saying we shouldn't help them and we have no place there! Saddam made people dig graves, jump in them, and then he had his men shoot them. The man was f^%*($g sick! He murdered people constantly. The world is a better place with him locked up. Its easy for you to say that we have no place ther sitting behind a computer in a nice house with freedom and no fear of being shot by the army. God forbid we give that to other countries. How would you feel if you lived in a foreign nation in constant fear that the government will kill you everyday of your life. Your only hope was a powerful nation but people within it complained because they would rather be serviced first than save you ass? Tell me.
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