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Kerry Complains to FEC Over Ads
Saturday, August 21, 2004
WASHINGTON � The Democratic Party launched a costly round of ads Friday to buttress John Kerry's (search) credentials to be commander in chief as the White House accused the Massachusetts senator of "losing his cool" over attacks on his war record.
"John Kerry is a fighter and he doesn't tolerate lies from others," spokeswoman Stephanie Cutter shot back at President Bush (search) spokesman.
Undeterred, the anti-Kerry group that provoked the furor distributed a second commercial to the news media and said it would begin airing next week in Nevada and New Mexico. The ad intersperses clips of a youthful Kerry talking about war atrocities during an appearance before Congress in 1971 with images of veterans condemning his testimony.
The unusual late-August maneuvering highlighted the closeness of the race for the White House and came as polls offered the first hint that the questioning of Kerry's medal-winning service in the Vietnam War � allegations that he strongly condemned this week as lies � were taking a political toll.
One poll found that more than half the voters questioned had seen or heard of an ad by Swift Boat Veterans (search) For Truth that accuses Kerry of lying about events that earned him five medals in Vietnam a generation ago. The University of Pennsylvania's National Annenberg Election Survey also found that 44 percent of self-described independent voters found the ad very or somewhat believable.
Separately, a CBS poll found a sharp drop in Kerry's support among both veterans since the end of the Democratic Convention.
Kerry's campaign scripted the convention, which ended three weeks ago, to establish him as a battle-tested veteran ready to assume command in an era of terrorism. Polls after the convention indicated he had made considerable progress toward that goal.
In a commercial that officials said was filmed on Thursday, the Democratic Party showed retired Air Force General Merrill A. McPeak saying he had endorsed Bush four years ago but was backing Kerry now.
"Nothing is more important to me than protecting America," says McPeak, a fighter pilot in Vietnam who rose to become Air Force chief of staff during the first Persian Gulf War in 1991.
"John Kerry has the strength and common sense we need in a commander in chief," he says in the ad.
That message is sharply at odds with the image portrayed in the anti-Kerry ad � the one the Massachusetts senator denounced on Thursday when he said Bush was relying on front groups to "do his dirty work."
White House spokesman Scott McClellan said several times that the senator's Thursday comments showed he had lost his cool, a suggestion that Bush's rival lacked presidential temperament.
"I do think that Senator Kerry losing his cool should not be an excuse for him to lash out at the president with false and baseless attacks," the spokesman told reporters in Crawford, Texas.
"We've already said we weren't involved in any way in these ads," he said. "We've made that clear."
A few hours after he spoke, the Kerry campaign filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission that alleged the group behind the ad was illegally coordinating its efforts with the Bush-Cheney campaign. It cited "recent press reports" and the group's own statements. The Bush campaign denied the allegation.
Campaigns often file complaints with the FEC, but the agency rarely intervenes quickly enough to alter the course of a race.
Cutter sought to turn the argument over presidential readiness back on the White House. "Mr. McClellan needs to understand that John Kerry is not the type of leader who will sit and read `My Pet Goat' to a group of second graders while America is under attack," she said.
That was a reference to Sept. 11, 2001, when Bush remained in an elementary school classroom for several minutes after being informed by an aide that the World Trade Center had been hit.
Records show that Bob Perry, a Houston homebuilder who is helping to finance the anti-Kerry commercials, was well-enough known to Bush to earn an invitation to visit the then-Texas governor.
"I hope all goes well with you," Bush wrote in an April 15, 1997, letter. "Should you ever come to Austin, please come by and say hello." He wrote in response to a letter asking him to veto legislation that would have placed new restrictions on title companies if it had made it out of the Legislature.
McClellan also accused the Kerry campaign of sanctioning the same type of attack ads by outside groups that it is accusing the president of approving.
"I mean, where has the Kerry campaign been for the last year while more than $62 million in funding through these shadowy groups have been used to negatively attack the president?" he asked. Outside groups funded by Bush's opponents have spent millions on commercials that criticize the president.
The ad that drew Kerry's angry response on Thursday aired in only three states at a cost of well under $1 million. It features several Vietnam veterans who accuse Kerry of lying about the circumstances surrounding events for which he won his medals. Kerry received three Purple Hearts, a Silver Star and a Bronze Star while in Vietnam.
Even so, the Annenberg survey said "more than half the country has heard about or seen" the commercial � the result of widespread coverage on cable television and talk radio as well as the Internet.
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Toad
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| Sat Aug 21, 2004 3:38 pm |
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Bush has had attacks all summer and you don't hear him complaning about it. And then when an organization that has no ties to Bush attacks John Kerry, he starts to complain.
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| Sat Aug 21, 2004 7:37 pm |
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i personally belive that Kerry never relly got the medals he said he did
but thats just a opion of a 15 year old......
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Well as a registered american I personally think they attack eachother too much Bush did that, Kerry Diddn't do this yadda, yadda, yadda it's very annoying. Personally I would like to see commericals about what they can do about how they plan on enforcing their ideas like better healthcare and so forth. All this attacking just reminds me of the WWE if I wanted to see that I would turn to Spike TV.
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Toad
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| Sat Aug 21, 2004 9:56 pm |
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| Jeff Miller wrote: | | Well as a registered american I personally think they attack eachother too much Bush did that, Kerry Diddn't do this yadda, yadda, yadda it's very annoying. Personally I would like to see commericals about what they can do about how they plan on enforcing their ideas like better healthcare and so forth. All this attacking just reminds me of the WWE if I wanted to see that I would turn to Spike TV. |
You should have said, "I hate Bush and I would like to see him thrown out of a window when he leaves office." Your sig and location give that away. I'm glad the world does not revolve around you.
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| Sat Aug 21, 2004 10:04 pm |
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| Jeff Miller wrote: | | Well as a registered american I personally think they attack eachother too much Bush did that, Kerry Diddn't do this yadda, yadda, yadda it's very annoying. Personally I would like to see commericals about what they can do about how they plan on enforcing their ideas like better healthcare and so forth. All this attacking just reminds me of the WWE if I wanted to see that I would turn to Spike TV. |
Don't give me that. Myself along with about 200 other people sat and listened to Kerry dis Bush for over an hour. Talking about how he was incompetent, he basically called him a murderer, and said that he was no more than dirt on the ground under his feet. Listen to some of his speeches why dont ya, and you will see what I mean. He does the same yadda yadda yadda crap that every other runner has done. In my eyes, Kerry deserves to get just as much negative publicity as he is giving Bush. Hence the wars between runners will never end. Neither of them is going to stop until one or the other has won. But in reference to the commercials on how to enforce these promises, I agree 100%.
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| Sat Aug 21, 2004 10:10 pm |
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You sillies,  You are asking for him to be informed. That simply won't be the case, 
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Delta Quad 2003
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| Sat Aug 21, 2004 10:13 pm |
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Well, I just post what I see happening in the political world. That happens to be the little war between Bush and Kerry. I will vote for Bush, but I have seen a lot of pro Kerry and pro Bush people on this site. I think both men are great, but Kerry just isn't ready for the role of president yet. He just has too many people voting for him because he served. SO WHAT! Just because a man serves in the armed forces does not mean he is better for president than anyone else.
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| Sat Aug 21, 2004 10:43 pm |
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| Lt.CmdrWorf wrote: | | Bush has had attacks all summer and you don't hear him complaning about it. And then when an organization that has no ties to Bush attacks John Kerry, he starts to complain. |
1. Bush has NOT attacked Kerry! He has just TOLD THE TRUTH ABOUT HIS RECORD, for cripes sake! So it's attacking when someone discusses the Liberal and horrible record of a Democrat? What about when the Democrats do such things--and WORSE even--to Bush, huh?
| Delta Quad 2003 wrote: | | Jeff Miller wrote: | | Well as a registered american I personally think they attack eachother too much Bush did that, Kerry Diddn't do this yadda, yadda, yadda it's very annoying. Personally I would like to see commericals about what they can do about how they plan on enforcing their ideas like better healthcare and so forth. All this attacking just reminds me of the WWE if I wanted to see that I would turn to Spike TV. |
Don't give me that. Myself along with about 200 other people sat and listened to Kerry dis Bush for over an hour. Talking about how he was incompetent, he basically called him a murderer, and said that he was no more than dirt on the ground under his feet. Listen to some of his speeches why dont ya, and you will see what I mean. He does the same yadda yadda yadda crap that every other runner has done. In my eyes, Kerry deserves to get just as much negative publicity as he is giving Bush. Hence the wars between runners will never end. Neither of them is going to stop until one or the other has won. But in reference to the commercials on how to enforce these promises, I agree 100%. |
I agree 100% with you.
And these commercials by the Swift Boat Vets for Truth--they have the right to tell their side of the story--I may not like the 1st add being on, but they have a right to say it. The second one is great.
| Delta Quad 2003 wrote: | | He just has too many people voting for him because he served. SO WHAT! Just because a man serves in the armed forces does not mean he is better for president than anyone else. |
EXACTLY. Oh, and remember this: Bill Clinton said, "Let's not campaign on War. Let's not campaign on Vietnam," because he actually DID dodge the draft (he's even said so), and yet in his speech at the Convention he said much Pro-Kerry Vietnam stuff. What is this flip-flop? And btw, KERRY made Vietnam an issue, and so the Republicans and anti-Kerry folks have the ABSOLUTE right to state their view on things.
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| Sat Aug 21, 2004 11:04 pm |
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RM, a suggestion.
Go back and read what Lt.CmdrWorf said, ok?
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| Lt.CmdrWorf wrote: | | Bush has had attacks all summer and you don't hear him complaning about it. And then when an organization that has no ties to Bush attacks John Kerry, he starts to complain. |
Sorry, I see. I misread what he stated. Which is odd, because I know he supports the President. Thank you for setting the record straight--he was saying that BUSH was being attacked all summer. Got it.
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| Theresa wrote: | | You sillies, You are asking for him to be informed. That simply won't be the case, |
Hmm, nice to see peoples opinions are respected...
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| Jeff Miller wrote: | I'm always right and your always wrong. I feel that Bush needs to go therefore I'm right and if you say he should stay your wrong.
Go Kerry |
Isn't it, though?
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What does a signature have to do with your opinions on commericals? Granted I don't like the guy but I feel that they both lob dirty commericals back and forth. I'm just saying I want to see a commerical from one of them just saying what they would do if president. Thats all.
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| Sun Aug 22, 2004 12:40 am |
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But for the most part you are uninformed. Hell, I just read an old post of yours where you even say so.  And from the things you sometimes post...
BTW, I didn't say anything about your opinion, I merely made mention of the fact that it was just that, your opinion, not an informed one, 
Words. Magical things, aren't they?
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| Jeff Miller wrote: | | What does a signature have to do with your opinions on commericals? Granted I don't like the guy but I feel that they both lob dirty commericals back and forth. I'm just saying I want to see a commerical from one of them just saying what they would do if president. Thats all. |
Thats what they use to do before the McArthur period. I'm pretty sure that he started the intense trash-talking campaigns. Someday they will go back to the old (better) way, hopefully.
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| Jeff Miller wrote: | | I'm just saying I want to see a commerical from one of them just saying what they would do if president. Thats all. |
I believe Bush has been doing most of that.
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