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Founder
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It is kinda funny how according to the Big Bang there was a massive explosion and a universe was made. On top of that all the planet fell perfectly into place. We're at the exact location we're we won't freeze because of lack of sun and we won't burn cause we're to close to it. All a coincidence im sure.  And they say our "magical being" theory is dumb. 
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Wed Aug 18, 2004 3:26 am |
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The sun has gravity, which keeps Earth in orbit, out of 9 planets, ours being in this location doesn't seem too far fetched. 1/9? Those aren't overly amazing odds, 
| Gondor Girl wrote: | | IntrepidIsMe wrote: | | Founder wrote: | | IntrepidIsMe wrote: | | I applied it because, I've just proven that the Catholic Church doesn't entirely believe 100% of the first 5 books of the bible. You said anybody who did that was "a small group of weird christians". I simply used it. |
No you haven't. People have "proven" that the Bible may interpret it different. The Big Bang may have only taken 7 days. The first humans to have evolved were Adam and Eve. You've proven nothing. |
The Catholic Church doesn't say that the first humans were definitely adam and eve. They concur with evolution, how can we just go from ape to human? What makes a person human, during hundreds of levels of development? When are you human, and no longer ape? The big bang is still happening, the universe is still expanding. But, according to the Catholic Church, time doesn't matter, either. As a "day" for god, could be enternity for us. |
You're saying all this, provided that the theory of evolution and the big bang theory is true, both of which there is plenty of scientific evidence refuting and no scientific evidence supporting. I mean, honestly, how can you guys see all these bits of nature and astronomy and honestly think that the universe has been around for billions of years. Thousands of years, not billions, guys. |
The church agrees with the theory, which would mean it doesn't entirely accept (fully, 100%, totally, etc.) that the first five books of the bible as perfectly true, that was my only point.
And how can you say that the universe has only been around for "thousands of years", as they've been able to date the Earth at over 4 billion?
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Gondor Girl
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| Wed Aug 18, 2004 4:34 am |
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| IntrepidIsMe wrote: | The church agrees with the theory, which would mean it doesn't entirely accept (fully, 100%, totally, etc.) that the first five books of the bible as perfectly true, that was my only point.
And how can you say that the universe has only been around for "thousands of years", as they've been able to date the Earth at over 4 billion? |
First of all, I am not Catholic. There is a church out there called Protestantism. I am a Presbyterian which is a faction of Protestantism. The Presbyterian Church, heck, the majority of Protestantism doesn't accept the evolutionary theory. You are speaking of the Catholic church as if it's the only church out there. I've got news. It's not. The Protestant community, for the most part, does believe entirely in the Pentateuch along with the rest of the Bible.
Secondly, I doubt that Founder was talking about "of all the planets in this solar system it's amazing we just so happened to be on this one?" I think he was more referring to the fact that, of all the places this planet could have been positioned, it's amazing that it just so happened to be right in the perfect place. A foot further away, we'd be freezing, a foot closer, we'd be burning. There are a heck of a lot of places that this planet could have been and it ended up at just the right distance, and that people believe it was a coincidence is what I find the most amazing part.
Finally, how exactly have they dated the earth? Hmm? How exactly do you know that they are correct in their estimations? Were these scientists here during these "billions" of years? Where has this fabled Geologic Collumn been found in it's entirety on this planet? Until you can give me evidence other than "scientists said..." I shall continue to sit firmly in my beliefs. And that belief is: Screw what the scientists say. They're just pulling this stuff out of their butts. There are so many astronomical and geological proofs that oppose the Big Bang and Evolutionary theories. Heavens! Where are these missing links? If they find those, they're not duds, and they're not far-fetched (such as "Lucy") then I'll believe them.
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GhostOfAMemory
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Joined: 06 Sep 2003
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| Wed Aug 18, 2004 5:19 am |
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First of all, what is the "Pentateuch"??? 
Anyways, I don't understand how anyone who has read their bible can believe in evolution. The bible clearly states that God made a man's body out of dirt and breathed life into it; then later took a rib from that body and made a womans body, where humans came from. There are no apes involved in this. Apes have always been apes, since God made them apes, and humans have always been human. Where in the bible does it even SUGGEST that humans could possibly have been descended from animals? The idea is utterly rediculous.
I agree that the "days" mentioned COULD be symbolic, as the bible says that a thousand years is as a day to God. But how am I to know how long the universe has been here?
I may be msitaken, but isn't the whole point of the big bang theory that some particles magically rubbed together and exploded and created the universe? I believe that God could have BANGED the universe into existance and "formed" it after, but I do not endorse "The Big Bang Theory."
Speaking of the big bang theory, where did these "particles" come from, eh? And if space didn't exist yet, where were the particles located? And if time didn't exist, how is it the particles did anything lienier? The only way to explain existance is that time is NOT a universal constant, nor is space. Therefore if none of these things have ALWAYS been, there must have been something else that did not exist within space or time as we know it, a different constant, that had a WILL and the POWER to make the universe. It makes sense.
Also, why do you refer to God as "god"??
On the issue of the death penalty, I'm not completely sure, but I don't believe I condone it. It's not up to us to decide who lives or dies. Or even who deserves to die. I don't believe God kills people, and I don't believe we have the right to either. *Yes, I know it says in the bible God has killed people*
The bible also says an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, but that's the old covenant. The new covenant, that Jesus established, is one of mercy and forgiveness. And yes Republican_Man, God DOES require us to forgive. "For give us our tresspasses as we forgive our tresspassers" "We have been forgiven so that we may forgive" etc etc. It doesn't mean their actions go unpunished, or that they go unrestrained, but we are to freely give forgivness to all who ASK for it.
That brings me to my next point. We forgive people who ASK to be forgiven. People who ask to be forgiven know they've done wrong and are sorry, therefore feel guilt. They WILL live in guilt in prison. Most don't reach this point, but a lot do. And I think that it's not up to us to decide to revoke their lives. It's not our place to deal out death and judgement. We don't have the right to decide if someone deserves to die. And I think for people who are truly repentant of their crimes, life in prison with that guilt is punishment enough. And for those who aren't repentant and don't feel that guilt, why should we kill them before they have the chance? Don't you want to see them fess up and admit what they did was wrong??
I guess I'm decided now. I don't agree with the death penalty.
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Seven of Nine
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| Fri Aug 20, 2004 3:26 am |
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Hummm... just a little fact.... the Bible was written a few thousand years years ago. The theory of evolution was thought up a few hundred years ago. Could it be possible that the man (who was listening to God) who wrote Genesis didn't know then what we know now, so may have heard slightly wrong? However, this is just my opinion, pulled out of the air, because I don't think it's a coincidence that we share over 98% of our genes with chimpanzees.
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gilbert3729
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| Fri Aug 20, 2004 11:25 pm |
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I have a question, how does the big bang theory and the theory of evolution have anything to do with death sentences?
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Fri Aug 20, 2004 11:30 pm |
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| Gondor Girl wrote: | | I'm reading a lot of these posts that are talking about how one must forgive someone who has done something seriously wrong like murdering or raping someone. But if I remember correctly, wasn't it written somewhere in the Pentateuch that God gave full permission for someone to kill someone else, if that someone else had killed someone close to the first mentioned person. If I remember correctly, the only way that the person wasn't allowed to kill the other person was if the murderer was in one of four or five sanctuary-type cities. And besides, doesn't anybody remember what God did to the guy that merely stole something from a ruined city He ordered no one to rob? That was just for stealing something. |
That's what started it,
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