Should Gays be alowed to openly serve in the Armed forces?

Sonic74205 · **Mon Aug 16, 2004 4:58 pm**

I voted yes, i mean there is nothin wrong with it. They want to protect there country so they should be able to. Gay people are hardly different to anybody else, the only real thing about them thats different is what gay people do in the bedroom and personally i think thats a private issue.

Some people decide they want to join the army etc when they are just kids and that is before they know there gay and just because of that one thing that makes them different then they should not be allowed to go into the carrier that they have always wanted?
I think that gay peopler should be able to protect there country

Voyager` · **Tue Aug 17, 2004 2:18 am**

I voted no, I do not think they should be able to. First off because of the showering / sleeping set ups, that could make it so straight men and women would not want to join just because it would be uncomfortable for them and it would cost alot of money and take alot of time to have seprerate facilities for 4 different groups.

On the discrimination point there is and will always be discrimination, you see it today in college, jobs, people personal opinions, the military, in public, it is everywere you can't get around it. Like in college and in jobs, minorites have a much better chance of getting into colleges that are strict on who they accept. Sure they give minorites better chances to be accepted into college and get scholarships because oh well its to solve and make exceptions for these people for past discrimination on them. Therefore you are discrimating the majority, same goes for jobs to if a white male is given the postion over a minority and for this example we will say that both are equally qualified (even though sometimes it happens when a highly qualified white is hired over a less qualified minority), the company could be faceing lawsuits for discriminateing against the minorty, no matter what happens it can and more than likely will be seen as discimination. Now for the military lets say they lets gays who are open about it in and therefore makes straight men less likely to join due to uncomfortable feelings about showering with gays and sleeping by them, this would be viewed as discrimination by some also.
Just have to face it lines have to be drawn somewhere.

Gays can join the military as long as the dont let anyone know they are gay, and the military can not directly ask you if you are gay either they get kicked out for that if they truly want to join the military and defend freedom they should just simply hide the fact they are gay and join.

Sure it is discrimation agaisnt them but I guess they are also discriminating agaisnt me to, I have chrones diease therefore i can not join the military (and I have tried multiply times to get in after hearing of possiblities that i could join somehow but none ever worked out). Now I want to join I want to defend our freedom as well but I can not join, I have just had to accept this I suppose i could cry out that its discrimantion and all but I understand lines have to be drawn somewhere and it will not always be where you want them to be.

Angeldust · **Tue Aug 17, 2004 4:14 am**

Having served in the military, I would have to say yes. It would not be as much a interruption of unit cohesion as people think.

gilbert3729 · **Tue Aug 17, 2004 4:42 am**

Sonic74205 · **Tue Aug 17, 2004 7:13 am**

Exactly! We have more control that that cuz we have spent our lives having people make us feel SO different. when a straight male goes swimming or showers with a woman, straight people are fine with that they can contain them selve and are most likely not thinkng of that.
You have the completely wrong idea about gay. No we do not think about sex all the time we do NOT make sure that everyone knows we are gay. I have never said that i was gay except whe i came out to my friends cuz it is irellevant. If someone asks me if im gay then i will tell them the truth but i would go up to someone and say hello my name is martin, im gay. Cuz that is just wrong. & who cares about gay men showing with straight men, it dont make a difference. Gay people do not live in one big prono movie as so many of you seem to think!

If a gay person wanted to join the army then let them, it's their choice they know whats involved and they want to defend there country and there is nothing wrong with that.

Hitchhiker · **Tue Aug 17, 2004 12:49 pm**

Plus, how many homosexuals are serving in the military right now, but they just don't openly talk about their orientation for precisely this reason? Like I said before, you can't tell whose homosexual or not, they don't have large bumper stickers or barcodes on the back of their necks, and they shouldn't. So the only difference between letting them serve and letting them serve openly is that you know if they're homosexual, and that is the root of the uncomfortableness.

If the military didn't allow homosexuals to openly serve, they'd just sign up without mentioning their orientation. What do you propose, that we give lie detector tests to everybody in the military and all applicants to make sure that they aren't homosexual? Seems somewhat infeasible.

gilbert3729 · **Tue Aug 17, 2004 5:13 pm**

DemonClassY · **Tue Aug 17, 2004 5:45 pm**

I voted yes.

Republican_Man · **Tue Aug 17, 2004 7:37 pm**

ALL people in the US have the right to serve in the armed forces.
Even though I don't agree with the actions of gays and understand how uncomfortable others would be, everyone has the right to serve in the armed forces--INCLUDING Gays. (Oooh, shocker?

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gilbert3729 · **Thu Aug 19, 2004 12:35 am**

^ wow RM, you are sounding more and more like a liberal.

Whats next?........Joining John Kerry fan club, lol

j/k

Republican_Man · **Thu Aug 19, 2004 4:22 pm**

gilbert3729 · **Thu Aug 19, 2004 10:18 pm**

Angeldust · **Fri Aug 20, 2004 4:45 am**

Republican_Man · **Fri Aug 20, 2004 11:11 am**