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PostMon Aug 09, 2004 10:35 am    

The 'punishment' for destroying the dominion fleet was the death of Jadsia Dax, at least according to the DVD boxed set summaries.

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PostMon Aug 09, 2004 12:14 pm    

Oh really? That makes sense. Seems somewhat unfair that she was chosen to die and had nothing to do with the Prophets though. I guess they didn't make it clear who they would punish.

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PostMon Aug 09, 2004 4:14 pm    

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Kasidy looks at him in realization. "Oh, God, this is it, isn't it? The sorrow that the Prophets warned us about." "It's difficult to explain," says Sisko. "It's not linear...My life, my destiny. The Prophets saved me, Kasidy. I'm their Emissary, and they still have a great deal for me to do. But first, there is much to learn, things only the Prophets can teach me." "When will you be back?" she asks tearfully. Her husband replies, "It's hard to say. Maybe a year. Maybe yesterday. But I will be back." "And I will be waiting," she says at last. And she is back in the wardroom, feeling strangely comforted as she tells Jake she was talking to his father.


Just to refresh everyone's memory of that dialouge.


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PostMon Aug 09, 2004 7:11 pm    

Yeah, it was really touching.

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PostMon Aug 09, 2004 8:10 pm    

I like to believe he died. Falling into a seemingly endless pit of fire? He died. Heh. I also like to believe that the Profits are able to bring him back to corporial form if needed.

The series finale was fitting for the show. It was sorta grim and sad. Sisko is parted from wife and son. Odo and Kira are parted. Miles and Julian parted.


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PostMon Aug 09, 2004 10:05 pm    

Worf and Ezri parted sort of too, but yah. I like the season finale though, and I dont believe he died. I just dont. But oh well. Did the DVD set say anything about it?

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PostThu Aug 12, 2004 1:30 am    

Kasidy looks at him in realization. "Oh, God, this is it, isn't it? The sorrow that the Prophets warned us about." "It's difficult to explain," says Sisko. "It's not linear...My life, my destiny. The Prophets saved me, Kasidy. I'm their Emissary, and they still have a great deal for me to do. But first, there is much to learn, things only the Prophets can teach me." "When will you be back?" she asks tearfully. Her husband replies, "It's hard to say. Maybe a year. Maybe yesterday. But I will be back." "And I will be waiting," she says at last. And she is back in the wardroom, feeling strangely comforted as she tells Jake she was talking to his father.

Wow that is touching and sad, im sure jake and kassidy were in deep depression for along time afterward, i know i would be in that same situation.


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PostThu Aug 12, 2004 1:48 am    

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Wow that is touching and sad, im sure jake and kassidy were in deep depression for along time afterward, i know i would be in that same situation


(Off-topic DS9 had some of the BEST dialouge ever.)

They probably weren't depressed. If anything it gave them a sense of renewed hope that he would return.


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PostThu Aug 12, 2004 1:55 am    

It all depends on how you look at it. I always felt that he ascended like Daniel Jackson. The thing is, some people consider ascension a form of death. I happen to be one of them but with this kind of death there is a chance that he will come back in like manner that Daniel did. May be Jake should try and get his father do brake the rules of the Prophets/Ancients and get him to use his powers?


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PostThu Aug 12, 2004 10:40 pm    

It all depends on how you define death . . .

Physically it seems pretty likely that Sisko died, being incinerated by a bottomless pit of fire will do that to you. But it's also clear that his consciousness survived in a corporeal form, because he was able to talk to Kassidy after.

That said, his return could probably be in corporeal form. After all, a body is just a body. There's always the old debate about the transporter destroying your body and creating a duplicate on the other end (but that is for another time).

And who ever said he'd be back in corporeal form anyway?

Whatever happens, DS9 had the best ending of any series, even Voyager, whose ending was spectacular. And DS9 has the most potential for a Trek movie, precisely because of the nature of its ending. I'd certainly be happy if the next Trek movie was DS9, before the actors get too old.


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PostThu Aug 12, 2004 10:47 pm    

The next Star Trek movie is going to be about the Romulan Wars. In fact its going to be a trilogy, so the next three Star Trek movies are going to be about the Romulan Wars. Don't get me wrong, I love DS9 just as much as the next guy, it's just that a DS9 movie isn't going to happen rite now.

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PostThu Aug 12, 2004 10:48 pm    

Solitary Poet wrote:
The next Star Trek movie is going to be about the Romulan Wars. In fact its going to be a trilogy, so the next three Star Trek movies are going to be about the Romulan Wars. Don't get me wrong, I love DS9 just as much as the next guy, it's just that a DS9 movie isn't going to happen rite now.


How do you know that?


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PostThu Aug 12, 2004 10:55 pm    

Founder wrote:
Solitary Poet wrote:
The next Star Trek movie is going to be about the Romulan Wars. In fact its going to be a trilogy, so the next three Star Trek movies are going to be about the Romulan Wars. Don't get me wrong, I love DS9 just as much as the next guy, it's just that a DS9 movie isn't going to happen rite now.


How do you know that?


Well, I found about it from a post which quoted TrekToday:

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The Romulan Wars are tipped to be the subject of the next Star Trek feature film.

Enterprise executive producer Brannon Braga reportedly told the Star Trek Communicator that the series may not be able to feature the Romulan Wars because of a possible clash with the upcoming movie.

"It's certainly one of the things that we've been discussing," Braga reportedly said. "But there's also a prequel feature in development regarding the Romulan Wars, so we might have to stay away from that." In the same magazine, franchise head honcho Rick Berman said Trek XI would be set before the time of Kirk, but would not be connected with Enterprise.

The first sighting of the Romulans came in the second-season episode, "Minefield", in which the NX-01 inadvertantly strayed into Romulan territory. According to established Star Trek lore, the Romulan Neutral Zone was established in 2160 after a long war between Earth and the Romulans. With "Zero Hour" taking place in 2154, the Romulan Wars could conceivably take place during Enterprise's run.

Braga also discussed the storylines in development for Enterprise's fourth season, including the return of the Temporal Cold War. "One thing we're discussing is possibly blowing the lid off the Temporal Cold War once and for all," he reportedly said. "That's probably something we'll do in this first storyline. I can't say that for sure, because we're just getting into it. But I'd really like to resolve that and put a cap on it. It would be a nice thing to do after three seasons of teasing it along."

The foundation of the Federation could also start to figure heavily in the series. "There are going to be some major interstellar events and conflicts happening that could involve the forming of the federation. We're going to see more of what's going on back at Earth. We might see something dealing with the Eugenics Wars."

Source: Next Movie To Deal With Romulan Wars?


It's obviously only a rumour, with nothing permanent yet.

I'd rather a DS9 movie, with familiar characters. Enterprise can get the Romulan Wars, and sowing the seeds of the Federation.


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PostThu Aug 12, 2004 10:59 pm    

What!? ENT gets a movie before DS9 and VOY? VOY is pretty wrapped up, there shouldnn't be a movie about it. Sorry VOY fans. DS9 has a lot more potential out of the two. ENT doesn't even deserve a movie!

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PostThu Aug 12, 2004 11:07 pm    

Founder wrote:
What!? ENT gets a movie before DS9 and VOY? VOY is pretty wrapped up, there shouldnn't be a movie about it. Sorry VOY fans. DS9 has a lot more potential out of the two. ENT doesn't even deserve a movie!


Although I'd love to see a VOY movie, it's probably my fan speaking and not myself. I agree that there isn't much plot left for a VOY movie. DS9 is probably the best choice.

Well, I disliked the third season of Enterprise, but I am willing to give it one finally chance to redeem itself in season four. If it does this, then maybe it will get a movie four or five years hence. There's plenty of time to squeeze a DS9 movie in and then have an ENT one.


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PostSun Aug 15, 2004 2:43 pm    

Sisko's mother was a wormhole being as was revealed in the first epi of the last DS9 season. Hence it seems acceptable to assume that he, like any genuine wormhole being, is able to exist outside of our time frame. It should also be possible for him to dematerialize himself as obviousely the wormhole beings can materialize and dematerialize themselves depending on the situation (pretending to be a pregnant human female and getting a baby would require a solid shape, not to mention what had to happen before in order to get into this state On the other hand, in the wormhole, they seem to be quite immaterial)

And there's a more worldly reason: It's Star Trek. They always leave an option for another epi/movie. The show must go on. Not even Kirk is 100% dead - remember: part of him is still in the Nexus.


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PostSun Aug 15, 2004 2:44 pm    

The Wormhole alien didn't turn into a solid form. They "possesed" Sisko's mother.

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PostMon Aug 16, 2004 2:18 am    

Founder wrote:
The Wormhole alien didn't turn into a solid form. They "possesed" Sisko's mother.


Yes, that's correct, Founder. That's also why Jeniffer went away from Ben's father because she actually didn't love him.

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Not even Kirk is 100% dead - remember: part of him is still in the Nexus.



Actually, he is 100% alive. In The Return, the Borg reanimate him.


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PostMon Aug 16, 2004 8:28 am    

gul Lemek III. wrote:
Actually, he is 100% alive. In The Return, the Borg reanimate him.


But The Return isn't canon Trek, it's a novel, and only Mosaics and Pathways are considered canon Trek.

It's still a good novel, though, so consider him alive if you want to.

Besides, if someone really wanted him alive, you could always travel back in time to the 23rd century, where he would be both alive and young.


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PostMon Aug 16, 2004 11:29 am    

Is that who stole Kirk's body at the end of "The Ashes of Eden"?


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PostTue Aug 17, 2004 12:39 am    

Founder wrote:
Solitary Poet wrote:
The next Star Trek movie is going to be about the Romulan Wars. In fact its going to be a trilogy, so the next three Star Trek movies are going to be about the Romulan Wars. Don't get me wrong, I love DS9 just as much as the next guy, it's just that a DS9 movie isn't going to happen rite now.


How do you know that?


If they are going to have another star trek movie, why have the romulans again so soon? Why not a invading race from the delta quadrant like the kazon or hirogen? I find movies boring that are based on the same race time after time again.


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PostTue Aug 17, 2004 3:54 am    

Hitchhiker wrote:

Besides, if someone really wanted him alive, you could always travel back in time to the 23rd century, where he would be both alive and young.


Yeah, I guess that's true


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PostTue Aug 17, 2004 6:50 pm    

But then it would be re-written by the temporal cold war!

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PostTue Aug 17, 2004 7:20 pm    

Entropy wrote:
But then it would be re-written by the temporal cold war!

:/

Faction 1> Destroy Captain Archer! ::wipes out Archer::

Faction 2> ::frantically pressing Ctrl+Z:: Undo! Undo undo undo!



My main problem with this temporal cold war is: if these enemies are from the future, and they fail, wouldn't they know that they would fail and hence could try again, and again, and again? Ultimately they may succeed? Same problem with the TNG episode "Captain's Holiday".

Ugh . . . temporal mechanics are fun to discuss but give me a headache.


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PostWed Aug 18, 2004 1:40 am    

I dislike time travel stories. Since if events change... then the chaps from the future are changed with it, which means they would never have come back in the first place, so wouldn't have had an opportunity to change the timeline which would have meant that nothing changed..... >_<

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