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superwoman
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I've just read a article on this and it was really scarry! It was about this prostitute woman who've been tortured and raped and she killed the guys how did it to her. I belive she was in prison for 12 years waiting for her verdict, and after that time she started to change her story so that they would send her to death cuz she didn't want to live anymore 
I think it's the ones who has it worst in the society, who mostly get this penalty... They cant defend themself and sometimes they dont Want to defend themself like the woman I mentioned...
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Puck
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| Sun Aug 08, 2004 12:33 am |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Seven of Nine wrote: | | I'm against it. Put it this way: If Capital Punishment is such a punishment, why are there so many suicides in prisons? |
Good point, but terrorists that kill civilians, for instance, do not deserve to live.
And for those of you that are anti-capital punishment: You don't believe that terrorists like bin Laden deserve such punishment? |
Nope. I do not want to see him become a martar anyway.
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Melodramatic
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| Sun Aug 08, 2004 1:17 am |
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I don't know if I agree with people being sent to death or not. It really all depends on what the person did, and only if they are totally quilty. I dont like the idea of someone getting the death penility, then finding out that they are innocent after they're dead.
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Angeldust
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| Tue Aug 10, 2004 4:22 pm |
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The bah part, or the lazy part?
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Actually, both. 
I'm glad to see there is a little debate going on here. 
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Gondor Girl
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| Tue Aug 10, 2004 11:56 pm |
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Well, I think, if someone killed someone else, it has been proven without a doubt that the guy did it, and the person he killed didn't deserve to die, then the guy should receive the death penalty. I also think that the death penalties they give to these people are way too nice. I think that they should kill the person the same way that they killed their victim. It's just not right if they kill someone by mutilating them and then they get the shot and slowly go to sleep to never wake up again or get the chair and are dead *snap* just like that. That's just not fair.
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jbering69
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Joined: 09 Mar 2004
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| Wed Aug 11, 2004 1:41 am |
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When I'm emotionally charged I am all for the DP, however when I am calm and collected I am against it. Many people believe that prison is a walk in the park and that is partly true. Some of the prisons for the minor offenders are an easy ride but the ones that the long - term sentence offenders go to are hell on Earth. Imagine living everyday of your life wondering if you are about to get shanked or gang - raped in the shower or wherever? Something that human beings as a whole hate, is to be stripped of freedom. Prison is not easy and inflicts great suffering. Imagine that everyday for the rest of your life you will stay in the same cell, walk when told to walk, piss when told to piss, eat when told to eat, day in and day out until you die. Prison for life with no chance of parole is vicious.
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Founder
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| Wed Aug 11, 2004 2:02 am |
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| Quote: | | When I'm emotionally charged I am all for the DP, however when I am calm and collected I am against it. Many people believe that prison is a walk in the park and that is partly true. Some of the prisons for the minor offenders are an easy ride but the ones that the long - term sentence offenders go to are hell on Earth. Imagine living everyday of your life wondering if you are about to get shanked or gang - raped in the shower or wherever? Something that human beings as a whole hate, is to be stripped of freedom. Prison is not easy and inflicts great suffering. Imagine that everyday for the rest of your life you will stay in the same cell, walk when told to walk, piss when told to piss, eat when told to eat, day in and day out until you die. Prison for life with no chance of parole is vicious. |
Um true but they're in there for an explicit reason. They deserve that treatment because of what they did. Don't turn a blind eye to what they did. A lot of people are saying that we treat our prisoners badly. You know what? I don't think they are being treated bad enough. I know what your trying to say though. The DP isn't needed because living in prison is one of the worst thing that could happen.
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Angeldust
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| Wed Aug 11, 2004 3:59 pm |
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I have to agree with Founder on that one. The last place I would want to be is prison. I would go stir crazy. Hence the fact that I never commit any crimes...weird correlation.
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Gondor Girl
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| Wed Aug 11, 2004 11:15 pm |
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Yeah, hehee. That's the moral of this entire thing. If you don't do anything bad, you won't end up in a heck-ish prison.  I like that deal.
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Hitchhiker
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| Wed Aug 11, 2004 11:42 pm |
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I disagree with capital punishment. It is still murder, you are killing another person. What do you gain from this?
And there is always the possibility that you have condemned someone innocent to death.
Furthermore, it is more worthwhile to punish them over the long-term. "Life is pleasant, death is peaceful. It's the transition that's difficult" said Isaac Asimov. Sending someone to prison for life means they must continuously confront what they did. Killing them essentially ends the argument--since we don't know what happens after death, for all we know we could be sending them to a place eternally filled with ringing telephones . . . now wouldn't that be a punishment.
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Republican_Man
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| Wed Aug 11, 2004 11:49 pm |
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Welcome, Tachyon (Hitchhiker), my friend, to STV! I disagree--naturally  --because, for instance, terrorists and other mass murderers DESERVE death. They do not deserve to live.
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gilbert3729
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| Thu Aug 12, 2004 12:32 am |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Welcome, Tachyon (Hitchhiker), my friend, to STV! I disagree--naturally --because, for instance, terrorists and other mass murderers DESERVE death. They do not deserve to live. |
If you say that you are religious then how can you say that people deserve death? Im not trying to pretend that i know about the bible but isnt one of the major underlining messages forgiveness? I might be wrong about this but if its true then how can you justify saying that someone deserves to die when the bible, the book that you include in almost all of your posts, is based partly on forgiveness?
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Aug 12, 2004 12:35 am |
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| gilbert3729 wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Welcome, Tachyon (Hitchhiker), my friend, to STV! I disagree--naturally --because, for instance, terrorists and other mass murderers DESERVE death. They do not deserve to live. |
If you say that you are religious then how can you say that people deserve death? Im not trying to pretend that i know about the bible but isnt one of the major underlining messages forgiveness? I might be wrong about this but if its true then how can you justify saying that someone deserves to die when the bible, the book that you include in almost all of your posts, is based partly on forgiveness? |
In this case I don't think it does revolve around that. If terrorists go around killing innocent civilians, then to hell they will go, and btw, it's up to God to forgive them--I won't nor don't have to forgive Osama, etc, for his, their actions.
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gilbert3729
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| Thu Aug 12, 2004 12:38 am |
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ok, I was just wondering if it said that in the bible because i remember hearing something about forgiveness in the couple of times that I have been to church.
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Hitchhiker
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| Thu Aug 12, 2004 12:40 am |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | In this case I don't think it does revolve around that. If terrorists go around killing innocent civilians, then to hell they will go, and btw, it's up to God to forgive them--I won't nor don't have to forgive Osama, etc, for his, their actions. |
| Josh Billings wrote: | | There is no revenge so complete as forgiveness. |
It's up to God to forgive them? That strikes me as being a bit lazy on your part . . . burden an omnipotent deity with the decisions of the cosmos. It's all well and good to say that someone else should judge whether a person should be forgiven, but I do believe that a tenet of the Christian religion is to give out your forgiveness freely to all human beings.
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Founder
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| Thu Aug 12, 2004 12:45 am |
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Ok so what you're saying is a guy rapes and murders a teenage girl. The proper thing would be to forgive him and let him be able to live out the rest of his life in "guilt"? Reasons im glad you don't control the world.....
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Hitchhiker
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| Thu Aug 12, 2004 12:47 am |
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Controlling the world would be spooky.
Firstly: Rape is worse than murder. At least if someone kills you, you're dead (although I admit I don't know what either rape or death feel like from personal experience).
Secondly: Yes, we should lock them up and let them live with their guilt. Killing them will do no good, it just racks up the body count. I never said anything about forgiveness, that was talking about generalities . . . I admit that if I knew someone who was raped and/or murdered, I probably wouldn't forgive the culprit. But I wouldn't wish their death either.
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Founder
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| Thu Aug 12, 2004 12:48 am |
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Ok, you don't actually believe that every prisoner is sitting in a cell filled with guilt right?
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Hitchhiker
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| Thu Aug 12, 2004 12:51 am |
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| Founder wrote: | | Ok, you don't actually believe that every prisoner is sitting in a cell filled with guilt right? |
No, I don't. I'm naive, but not that naive. I realize that some, perhaps most of the prisoners are either remorseless or have other things on their mind. But humans practice futile exercises everyday (such as breathing) so why should putting people in prison be any different?
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Aug 12, 2004 12:54 am |
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| Hitchhiker wrote: | | Founder wrote: | | Ok, you don't actually believe that every prisoner is sitting in a cell filled with guilt right? |
No, I don't. I'm naive, but not that naive. I realize that some, perhaps most of the prisoners are either remorseless or have other things on their mind. But humans practice futile exercises everyday (such as breathing) so why should putting people in prison be any different? |
Don't expect much from Hitchhiker.
He doesn't even support war to defend his country even if all other options were gone.
(No offense, my friend) but I agree with Founder otherwise.
And yes, Christianity teaches forgiveness but we are NOT required to forgive--the IS God's job, even though it's better to forgive most people. I do think that Rapists deserve death as well.
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Jeremy
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| Thu Aug 12, 2004 4:32 pm |
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Actually we are also supposed to forgive, but we forgive the person, not the action they have commited. If someone has done something bad then they should be punished for it.
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Founder
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| Thu Aug 12, 2004 6:14 pm |
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Some of the responses here are very hypocritical. People are like we should let them live with guilt! So your idea is to let them rot in prison and suffer with guilt. I believe one person here stated that there is a high suicide count in prisons. Sometimes guilt is unbearable to live with. You might say but they will live with the hope of life! Yeah, life in prison! You tell me what hope there is in living like that for the rest of your life. I'll admit, I have no right to say who deserves to live or die. I reserve that judgment for God. Realistically speaking though people forfiet their life when they take someone elses away.
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Kyre
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| Thu Aug 12, 2004 8:20 pm |
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| Hitchhiker wrote: | | burden an omnipotent deity with the decisions of the cosmos. |
Can you burden an omnipotent being?
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Hitchhiker
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| Thu Aug 12, 2004 9:16 pm |
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| Kyre wrote: | | Hitchhiker wrote: | | burden an omnipotent deity with the decisions of the cosmos. |
Can you burden an omnipotent being? |
Tough question. Obviously it is no trying task for the being in question, but you are essentially giving the omnipotent being the task rather than doing it yourself.
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The_Sisko
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| Thu Aug 12, 2004 9:20 pm |
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It's hard to decide but i would probably say i agree with it...but only in extreme measures.
There is a phrase that fits this perfectly but i can't remember it.
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