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Republican_Man
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I'm basically not so sure that the ad should still be on, but the others have their right to let the truth be told, no matter how harsh it may be.
And Defiant, Bush was NOT AWOL!! It's been proven against that!
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Puck
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| Sun Aug 08, 2004 12:38 am |
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I think that EVERYONE should disregard ads like this from BOTH sides. Even though I here in Texas have not seen a single campaign ad yet. 
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Defiant
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| Sun Aug 08, 2004 12:57 am |
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LOL, I wonder why. Texas. LOL.
OK RM, like ive said so many times before, show me the proof.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Aug 08, 2004 12:24 pm |
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| Defiant wrote: | LOL, I wonder why. Texas. LOL.
OK RM, like ive said so many times before, show me the proof. |
His medical records, his dental records, notices from his commanding officers, and more.
And YOU give me proof that he was AWOL, because it's JUST NOT TRUE. It has been PROVEN false. There is NO evidence of him going AWOL anyways.
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Link, the Hero of Time
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| Sun Aug 08, 2004 12:56 pm |
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Here's one for you.
http://www.awolbush.com/
They're even giving a reward if you witness Bush Preforming NG service between May 1972 and October 1973 in either Alabama or Texas.
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Kyre
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| Sun Aug 08, 2004 12:57 pm |
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That site wont get your argument anywhere.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Aug 08, 2004 1:06 pm |
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| Kyre wrote: | | That site wont get your argument anywhere. |
EXACTLY, just what I was going to say. As a matter of fact, in my opinion it makes it WORSE. That's just propaganda.
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Link, the Hero of Time
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| Sun Aug 08, 2004 1:06 pm |
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wasn't trying to get an arguement anywhere. It's just another site that's on Par with the ones one page 1
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Theresa
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lol, for every propoganda site you post supporting your view, another can be posted negating it. You don't find this a waste of time?
And I am still amused that you fixate on this, and apparently have no qualms about the fact that Clinton dodged the draft.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Aug 08, 2004 1:11 pm |
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| Theresa wrote: | lol, for every propoganda site you post supporting your view, another can be posted negating it. You don't find this a waste of time?
And I am still amused that you fixate on this, and apparently have no qualms about the fact that Clinton dodged the draft. |
Now, now, is that so true, because I don't want the Democrats saying that Bush did so as well, which is not true, but I've heard that many times.
Oh, and I find it INTERESTING how during the Clinton campaigns he was saying "Let's not make Military Service/Vietnam an issue." Well, now Kerry's CAMPAIGNING on it, and Clinton made a large part of his convention speech about it.
What say you about that, all?
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Link, the Hero of Time
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Really, I was just sick of seeing all Anti-Kerry propaganda in the topic, so I decided to throw some Anti-Bush propaganda.
Always have to even things out.
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Republican_Man
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| Link, the Hero of Time wrote: | Really, I was just sick of seeing all Anti-Kerry propaganda in the topic, so I decided to throw some Anti-Bush propaganda.
Always have to even things out. |
Could you just tell me the Anti-Kerry propaganda, please?  (I'm serious here--I'm curious)
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Link, the Hero of Time
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| Theresa wrote: | | and apparently have no qualms about the fact that Clinton dodged the draft. |
There's no point in fighting a war you don't believe in.
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Link, the Hero of Time
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Theresa
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| Link, the Hero of Time wrote: | | Theresa wrote: | | and apparently have no qualms about the fact that Clinton dodged the draft. |
There's no point in fighting a war you don't believe in. |
That is so inaccurate. As a citizen of your country, it is your duty to be there when your country needs you. Or are you one of those people who just take? Your country owes you, so you are going to get all you can, and to hell with it if you are needed, because you are free, and no one can make you do anything you choose not to. Talk about selfishness.
Thank God the men in WWI, and WWII era didn't feel that way, eh? "Heil" could very well be part of your everyday vocabulary.
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Republican_Man
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| Theresa wrote: | | Link, the Hero of Time wrote: | | Theresa wrote: | | and apparently have no qualms about the fact that Clinton dodged the draft. |
There's no point in fighting a war you don't believe in. |
That is so inaccurate. As a citizen of your country, it is your duty to be there when your country needs you. Or are you one of those people who just take? Your country owes you, so you are going to get all you can, and to hell with it if you are needed, because you are free, and no one can make you do anything you choose not to. Talk about selfishness.
Thank God the men in WWI, and WWII era didn't feel that way, eh? "Heil" could very well be part of your everyday vocabulary. |
Agreed, Theresa. You just made the point that I wanted to make--again.
And okay, Link, I see what you mean. The ad. The views of the people in his Swift Boat convoy expressing their opinions on that is propaganda...Perhaps it is, I don't think so, but I will give you that I think that perhaps they should take it off the air.
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Link, the Hero of Time
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| Sun Aug 08, 2004 1:29 pm |
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| Theresa wrote: |
That is so inaccurate. As a citizen of your country, it is your duty to be there when your country needs you. Or are you one of those people who just take? Your country owes you, so you are going to get all you can, and to hell with it if you are needed, because you are free, and no one can make you do anything you choose not to. Talk about selfishness.
Thank God the men in WWI, and WWII era didn't feel that way, eh? "Heil" could very well be part of your everyday vocabulary. |
Yes, It's my duty.
But if it comes time to fight A war that NOBODY believes in (like Vietnam), I will not be the moron sitting on the front line who has no idea what he is fighting for.
I understand that I owe my country and I understand War is sometimes neccesary, But it's YOU that does not understand and do not TRY to understand.
Oh, and people Actully believed what they were fighting for in WWI AND II. My Great-grandfather, god bless his soul, was IN WWII. He SAW the bloodshed and killing, He SAW his comrades killed. He Believed, as did every other person, that what he was doing was RIGHT.
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Theresa
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| Sun Aug 08, 2004 1:34 pm |
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| Link, the Hero of Time wrote: |
Yes, It's my duty.
But if it comes time to fight A war that NOBODY believes in (like Vietnam), I will not be the moron sitting on the front line who has no idea what he is fighting for.
I understand that I owe my country and I understand War is sometimes neccesary, But it's YOU that does not understand and do not TRY to understand.
Oh, and people Actully believed what they were fighting for in WWI AND II. My Great-grandfather, god bless his soul, was IN WWII. He SAW the bloodshed and killing, He SAW his comrades killed. He Believed, as did every other person, that what he was doing was RIGHT. |
That no one beleives in? Perhaps you ought to study your history a bit better. It wasn't a popular war, but it was understood what was going on, jeez.
| Quote: | | I understand that I owe my country and I understand War is sometimes neccesary, But it's YOU that does not understand and do not TRY to understand. |
Elaborate. Are you saying that in general, or pointing to a specific issue? I'd be delighted to know.
And yay for you. My grandfathers, and several great uncles were in WWII. Some didn't come home.
BTW, tell those Vietnemese that their lives weren't worth anything, just because they war was unpopular in the US,
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Link, the Hero of Time
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| Theresa wrote: | | That no one beleives in? Perhaps you ought to study your history a bit better. It wasn't a popular war, but it was understood what was going on, jeez. |
Maybe you should study up some more on these things.
Why was Vietnam fought?
BTW: Most draft dodgers had philosophical objections to the Vietnam War, which many at the time saw as an unjust war. About 100,000 draft dodgers fled abroad during the war. Another large group hid within the United States.
Also, How were the soldiers Precieved once they returned home from the war. Not with open arms.
| Theresa wrote: | | Elaborate. Are you saying that in general, or pointing to a specific issue? I'd be delighted to know. |
Try living in fear that the draft will come back. Try knowing that once it does you will be one of the first called in. You will never understand that fear because you do not have to worry about it.
And side note. being in College doesn't stop them from drafting you anymore.
| Theresa wrote: | | And yay for you. My grandfathers, and several great uncles were in WWII. Some didn't come home. |
Never mock me or my Family. My great grandparents and Grandparent were FORCED out of Italy because of that war. Many of my Grandparents family were slaughtered.
| Theresa wrote: | | tell those Vietnemese that their lives weren't worth anything, just because they war was unpopular in the US, |
Well, its not like we helped Escalate the war or anything.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Aug 08, 2004 2:04 pm |
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| Link, the Hero of Time wrote: |
| Theresa wrote: | | And yay for you. My grandfathers, and several great uncles were in WWII. Some didn't come home. |
Never mock me or my Family. My great grandparents and Grandparent were FORCED out of Italy because of that war. Many of my Grandparents family were slaughtered.
| Theresa wrote: | | tell those Vietnemese that their lives weren't worth anything, just because they war was unpopular in the US, |
Well, its not like we helped Escalate the war or anything. |
I don't know much about Vietnam, so I won't comment too much, but Theresa was NOT mocking you, Link.
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Theresa
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I never mocked your family, Link... Good Lord. "yay for you"? I clarified by mentioning my family that had served, which would lead most people to beleive that their family isn't the only one that fought, and that others have a point of reference, too. But if you choose to take it as a personal attack on your family, well, guess there's nothing I can do about that.
And the Vietnamese asked for help. I posted World Book Encyclopedia references before, as they are for the most part totally unbiased. I don't have to repost the same information over and over when a discussion is revived in another topic, you can do some research on your own, you know.
And you can be a conscientious objector, you don't have to dodge the draft.
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Puck
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| Sun Aug 08, 2004 3:35 pm |
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| Link, the Hero of Time wrote: |
Never mock me or my Family. |
Hmmm well if you want to talk about mocking people I think this might ring a bell as counting towards that:
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Lady's and Gentleman and children of all ages,
LET THE MUDSLINGING BEGINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!
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And since you appeared to be oh so fair and balanced (as you make yourself sound in:
| Quote: | Really, I was just sick of seeing all Anti-Kerry propaganda in the topic, so I decided to throw some Anti-Bush propaganda.
Always have to even things out. |
Where was the "let's not stereotype" response to the post directly after the one above(^^)....you seemed to have a problem when someone else stereotype....but this post(below)didn't seem to be any problem for you...hmm?
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Over zealous republican responses from kmma and RM in 3...2...1... |
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Link, the Hero of Time
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| Sun Aug 08, 2004 5:29 pm |
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: |
Hmmm well if you want to talk about mocking people I think this might ring a bell as counting towards that: |
Well, since you seem unable to pick up a dictionary to look up what something might mean:
mud-slinging, mudslinging
noun {U}
when you say insulting or unfair things about someone, especially to try to damage their reputation:
- political mud-slinging
It was a joke to announce that the Major Mud-slinging between Candidates had begun.
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And since you appeared to be oh so fair and balanced (as you make yourself sound in:
Where was the "let's not stereotype" response to the post directly after the one above(^^)....you seemed to have a problem when someone else stereotype....but this post(below)didn't seem to be any problem for you...hmm? |
Typical responce from someone who understands nothing, thinking they know all.
Propaganda that is spewed from both sides of the political spectra do not count as Stereotypes. If you read back to what Stereotyping Really is, I've provided more then Adequet definitions for you. you can read it here http://www.startrekvoyager.com/viewtopic.php?t=17642&start=25
And this is not my forum. if you wanted something done about this
| Quote: | | Over zealous republican responses from kmma and RM in 3...2...1... |
You should talk to Either T or Jeremy.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Aug 08, 2004 7:51 pm |
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| Theresa wrote: | I never mocked your family, Link... Good Lord. "yay for you"? I clarified by mentioning my family that had served, which would lead most people to beleive that their family isn't the only one that fought, and that others have a point of reference, too. But if you choose to take it as a personal attack on your family, well, guess there's nothing I can do about that.
And the Vietnamese asked for help. I posted World Book Encyclopedia references before, as they are for the most part totally unbiased. I don't have to repost the same information over and over when a discussion is revived in another topic, you can do some research on your own, you know.
And you can be a conscientious objector, you don't have to dodge the draft. |
Thank you for clarifying some of that information, Theresa.
| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | Link, the Hero of Time wrote: |
Never mock me or my Family. |
Hmmm well if you want to talk about mocking people I think this might ring a bell as counting towards that:
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Lady's and Gentleman and children of all ages,
LET THE MUDSLINGING BEGINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!
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Agreed.
And since you appeared to be oh so fair and balanced (as you make yourself sound in:
| Quote: | Really, I was just sick of seeing all Anti-Kerry propaganda in the topic, so I decided to throw some Anti-Bush propaganda.
Always have to even things out. |
Thank you for pointing that out...Good point. Basically, he's acknowledging that he and some fellow Libs, like Defiant, ARE spilling propaganda.
Where was the "let's not stereotype" response to the post directly after the one above(^^)....you seemed to have a problem when someone else stereotype....but this post(below)didn't seem to be any problem for you...hmm?
Agreed, thank you again for pointing that out.
Yes, you say that I shouldn't "stereotype" and yet you do. What's up with that?
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But Janeway, why do you have to say that? I take that as offensive.
| Link, the Hero of Time wrote: | | JanewayIsHott wrote: |
Hmmm well if you want to talk about mocking people I think this might ring a bell as counting towards that: |
Well, since you seem unable to pick up a dictionary to look up what something might mean:
mud-slinging, mudslinging
noun {U}
when you say insulting or unfair things about someone, especially to try to damage their reputation:
- political mud-slinging
It was a joke to announce that the Major Mud-slinging between Candidates had begun.
Oh sure...I still agree with Janeway's statement, either way.
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And since you appeared to be oh so fair and balanced (as you make yourself sound in:
Where was the "let's not stereotype" response to the post directly after the one above(^^)....you seemed to have a problem when someone else stereotype....but this post(below)didn't seem to be any problem for you...hmm? |
Typical responce from someone who understands nothing, thinking they know all.
What! Janeway understands NOTHING? It's a typical response from someone who UNDERSTANDS NOTHING?
Propaganda that is spewed from both sides of the political spectra do not count as Stereotypes. If you read back to what Stereotyping Really is, I've provided more then Adequet definitions for you. you can read it here http://www.startrekvoyager.com/viewtopic.php?t=17642&start=25
And this is not my forum. if you wanted something done about this
Oh, well Link, Janeway made a good point and he is right, no matter how you spin it.
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You should talk to Either T or Jeremy. |
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| Sun Aug 08, 2004 8:28 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | Thank you for pointing that out...Good point. Basically, he's acknowledging that he and some fellow Libs, like Defiant, ARE spilling propaganda.
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only as much as many of the Repulicans here.
| Republican_Man wrote: | Agreed, thank you again for pointing that out.
Yes, you say that I shouldn't "stereotype" and yet you do. What's up with that? |
You don't seem to understand, let me clarify. You stereotyped an ENTIRE GROUP without even trying to clarify things. And you do it on a constant basis.
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Oh sure...I still agree with Janeway's statement, either way. |
Thats because you choose to see only the things you want to see.
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What! Janeway understands NOTHING? It's a typical response from someone who UNDERSTANDS NOTHING? |
That did not involve you, so it would be nice if you butted out. Not all things have to involve you in them.
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[b]Oh, well Link, Janeway made a good point and he is right, no matter how you spin it. |
Again, you accuse me of spinning things. Stop acting like a child and show proof that I am. I'm getting tired of your false accusations.
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