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Kyre
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| Voyager` wrote: | | This is a topic which I am strongly opposed to.Abortion should be outlawed. there is no reason for it unless the mother and baby will both be dead if she gives birth and the mother can be saved by aborting, not if the mother will die and the baby will live then i dont think it should be aborted any parent should be willing to give their life for their baby and kids. If the baby is unwanted they can always put it up for adoption then some couple thats wants kids but are unable to have them can take care of them. If someone thinks they should have the power to choose wether their baby lives or dies should maybe be blessed with a little taste of there own medicine and be aborted! I mean some of them could be drunks or drug addicts so hey they might be in a different reality and wouldnt feel any pain or be aware of it either. Would you have like it if someone decided that they didnt want you so they just killed you before you even had a chance? I know i sure wouldn't |
Lets steal a classic Trek line.
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. What if the mother already has kids? A father and two children have more need for a mother than an unborn baby.
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Melodramatic
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| Fri Aug 06, 2004 5:01 pm |
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Abortions are totally against what I personally believe in. It has nothing to do with my religion, I dont even have one. I'd rather give birth to a baby then give it up for adoption, rather to end the babys life before it really has a start to begin. Unless of course someone trys, and trys to tell you to get one. But even then, its your baby...and you should decide what to do with the baby, not anyone else. But if a woman gets raped, then is pregnant it sorta changes my opinion. The baby was basically a mistake then and totally unplanned. Its concieved out of a crime, and not of love like babys should be concieved.
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Puck
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| Fri Aug 06, 2004 7:00 pm |
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| Kyre wrote: | | Voyager` wrote: | | This is a topic which I am strongly opposed to.Abortion should be outlawed. there is no reason for it unless the mother and baby will both be dead if she gives birth and the mother can be saved by aborting, not if the mother will die and the baby will live then i dont think it should be aborted any parent should be willing to give their life for their baby and kids. If the baby is unwanted they can always put it up for adoption then some couple thats wants kids but are unable to have them can take care of them. If someone thinks they should have the power to choose wether their baby lives or dies should maybe be blessed with a little taste of there own medicine and be aborted! I mean some of them could be drunks or drug addicts so hey they might be in a different reality and wouldnt feel any pain or be aware of it either. Would you have like it if someone decided that they didnt want you so they just killed you before you even had a chance? I know i sure wouldn't |
Lets steal a classic Trek line.
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. What if the mother already has kids? A father and two children have more need for a mother than an unborn baby. |
This isn't Trek, this is real life. 
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Angeldust
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May be real life, but the Trek line made a fair point.
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Puck
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| Fri Aug 06, 2004 7:06 pm |
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An invalid one none the less.
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Kyre
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| Fri Aug 06, 2004 7:35 pm |
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | An invalid one none the less. |
Doesn't an already existing family have more need than an unborn baby? Remember, this is a life and death situation for the mother. It's an extreme situation which (as has been said) doesn't encompass anywhere near the majority of abortions, but I'd still like to hear your opinion on my question there.
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Angeldust
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| Quote: | | The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. What if the mother already has kids? A father and two children have more need for a mother than an unborn baby. |
I'm not sure if I would call it invalid. I'm sure that these situations arise from time to time...
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Puck
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| Fri Aug 06, 2004 7:38 pm |
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Ok, personally, I do not think that I could do it. However, in that situation, if I had the decision to allow them to choose, I would let the two parents make up there mind, as long as of course, they are knowledgeable, and completly aware of the situation.
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Angeldust
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| Fri Aug 06, 2004 7:40 pm |
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Can you imagine how extensive a law would have to be to cover all of the scenarios and exceptions that have been mentioned throughout this discussion? I mean, wow...
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Puck
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| Fri Aug 06, 2004 7:44 pm |
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I know....it gets so messy once you get past the basic for or against.  You have all these "what-ifs" and sooo many situations.
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Kyre wrote: | | Voyager` wrote: | | This is a topic which I am strongly opposed to.Abortion should be outlawed. there is no reason for it unless the mother and baby will both be dead if she gives birth and the mother can be saved by aborting, not if the mother will die and the baby will live then i dont think it should be aborted any parent should be willing to give their life for their baby and kids. If the baby is unwanted they can always put it up for adoption then some couple thats wants kids but are unable to have them can take care of them. If someone thinks they should have the power to choose wether their baby lives or dies should maybe be blessed with a little taste of there own medicine and be aborted! I mean some of them could be drunks or drug addicts so hey they might be in a different reality and wouldnt feel any pain or be aware of it either. Would you have like it if someone decided that they didnt want you so they just killed you before you even had a chance? I know i sure wouldn't |
Lets steal a classic Trek line.
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. What if the mother already has kids? A father and two children have more need for a mother than an unborn baby. |
Could always just put the baby up for adoption, after he/she was born.
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Voyager`
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| Sat Aug 07, 2004 12:45 am |
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exactly there is no reason to kill the baby...unless the doctors are 100% certain that both the baby and mother will die in birth then and only then should it be ok to abort in my opinion
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Seven of Nine
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From what I've read it seems a lot easier to give a baby up for adoption in the USA than over here. Here, it isn't really considered an option, mainly because of all the problems it can cause. Here, you're not allowed to give the baby up for 6 weeks. That's a long time to get attached to the baby, only to then have no contact for 18 years, when the child has every right to come and seek you out.
You make it sound like it's the easiest thing in the world, but in reality, many mothers end up keeping the child, and are unable to care for it properly. It's one of the factors in many of the cases of child abuse that occur.
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Seven of Nine
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Sat Aug 07, 2004 9:12 am |
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| Seven of Nine wrote: | From what I've read it seems a lot easier to give a baby up for adoption in the USA than over here. Here, it isn't really considered an option, mainly because of all the problems it can cause. Here, you're not allowed to give the baby up for 6 weeks. That's a long time to get attached to the baby, only to then have no contact for 18 years, when the child has every right to come and seek you out.
You make it sound like it's the easiest thing in the world, but in reality, many mothers end up keeping the child, and are unable to care for it properly. It's one of the factors in many of the cases of child abuse that occur. |
In the US, there's a "No Questions Asked" system. There are places where you can just drop the baby off, and leave. I realize that it may be hard to give the baby up after a long time of getting attached, but the mother should want the best thing for the baby, and give the child up for adoption, anyway. This may not happen, however it's still possible to give the baby up, they just need to be able to have the better of their emotions.
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