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Founder
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 Fri Aug 06, 2004 12:55 pm |
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| Link, the Hero of Time wrote: | | Founder wrote: |
Yes, he sacrificed all of that to make the world safer and free an oppressed people. How evil of him... 
Sorry, I saw that and HAD to comment on it.
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All that to capture one man who wasn't even a target to begin with.
and what about Bin Laden? Our MAIN target. I'm sure if we had poured as much resources to find him as we did trying to find Saddam, we might have found him by now. |
You're right. It is possible we could have caught Osama but I doubt it. Hes not as easy a man to catch as you think.
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Angeldust
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| Fri Aug 06, 2004 4:09 pm |
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| Quote: | | Well, there could be a few problems with the points that you have mentioned there. Is it right to go to Sudan - after all, look what happened when Bush went to Iraq. Also there is reports that say a large number of the Sudanese will fight against any troups sent in. There would be a problem trying to do anything in China as they have nuclear weapons and a huge army. It would be good to stop it, but you are certainly not going to get someone risking a nuclear war for it. AIDS in Africa is being given funding. The problem is that its a bit late to do much against it as the problem wasn't recognised early enough. Sadly world poverty will never be got rid of, despite most peoples good intentions. I agree that it wold be really good to have these problems solved but its just not going to happen. |
You misunderstood me. I said I was concerned about Sudan, not that we should move into the country with troops. Actually, I am concerned about all these things, but never once did I mention military action...
I believe we would be one step closer to solving these problems if we were a little less petty about other things that don't really matter...
| Quote: | | You're right. It is possible we could have caught Osama but I doubt it. Hes not as easy a man to catch as you think. |
If he were, we would have caught him by now... I think there are two possibilities here... either Bin Laden is so deep in hiding that he will never be found, or he is dead.
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Republican_Man
STV's Premier Conservative
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| Fri Aug 06, 2004 6:52 pm |
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Okay then, I was "stereotyping," but it was NOT based on limited info. It was based on VERY COMMON ACTIONS OF LIBERALS (in my opinion.)
| Founder wrote: | | Quote: | | You take it too literally. You want to be offended so you can complain about something. If they did something similar to Kerry when he is in office, you would laugh. Dont deny it repub. |
I sure as hell wont. I laugh when they say Kerry's face looks like its melting. Wanna know why? Because it does!  
If ya'll can laugh at Bush jokes surely we can laugh at Democrat jokes eh?
What?
| Quote: | | You see a strong woman and you can't handle it. |
How right you are. Us Republicans are sexist pigs aren't we? We've proven that time after time.
Yeah, right.
| Quote: | George W. Bush: Truths Revealed
George W. Bush has sacrificed over 900 American soldiers, committed 200 Billion Dollars, and destroyed our economy to capture Saddam Hussein |
Yes, he sacrificed all of that to make the world safer and free an oppressed people. How evil of him...
Sorry, I saw that and HAD to comment on it.
No, no, that was a good point.
Back on topic...
Just because Kerry speaks her mind doesnt mean she "cares for the people". She needs control as does the President himself. I don't want people like that running the White House. She'd probably start a war just from the sutff shes going to say. |
Agreed. Good point.
| Angeldust wrote: | | Quote: | | Just because Kerry speaks her mind doesnt mean she "cares for the people". She needs control as does the President himself. I don't want people like that running the White House. She'd probably start a war just from the sutff shes going to say. |
If a couple insults were all it took to get involved in a war, I don't know if any of us would be sitting here right now. I can't summon up the will to care that much over someone getting upset about a reporter being in their face. The guy probably deserved it. |
Oh, sure.
| Founder wrote: | | I don't doubt that. Reporters tend to be....annoying. I just think that maybe a little self control is needed. "4 more years of hell"? Thats uncalled for. I can guarantee you though if in the Republic convention Laura says "Vote Bush or we'll get 4 years of Communism.", there will be the big backlash. Democrats won't be as forgiving as they were for Kerry's wife. When I say Democrats, I dont always mean people in this site. So plz don't say "You dont know us!" and yatta yatta yatta. |
Agreed, of course. Good points.
| Angeldust wrote: | | Quote: | | I just think that maybe a little self control is needed. "4 more years of hell"? Thats uncalled for. |
The thing with this statement is I don't think she was saying it maliciously. I think that she was being honest. It was probably just her opinion. Her take on the environment that is her country... I don't know... |
Either way, it's uncalled for. Either way.
| Founder wrote: | | Quote: | | The thing with this statement is I don't think she was saying it maliciously. I think that she was being honest. It was probably just her opinion. Her take on the environment that is her country... I don't know... |
You're probably right. But some opinions should be stifled or at least reworded. I think Kerry is a communist that will lead our country into the toilet. But I wouldn't say that at one of his campaign stops because its uncalled for. |
Of course, but still: Whether it's malacious or not, it's STILL uncalled for.
| Angeldust wrote: | | Quote: | | I think Kerry is a communist that will lead our country into the toilet. |
That is a bit more colorful than "4 years of hell". And here I was, thinking you were a Liberal...
Founder? A Liberal!?
I just can't get worked up over the way somebody words something when there are more important issues... issues like 1 in 5 children are born into poverty...Social Security is failing, and nobody is doing anything about it...the Sudan...AIDS in Africa... Human Rights violations in China....That is the stuff I care about. Not an off handed comment made in the heat of the moment to an annoying reporter. ... |
Still, you can speak of a CANDIDATE FOR FIRST LADY. The wife of the President/Presidential Candidate should NOT say such things, so Angeldust, why don't you just shove it!
| Jeremy wrote: | Well, there could be a few problems with the points that you have mentioned there. Is it right to go to Sudan - after all, look what happened when Bush went to Iraq.
What happened when Bush went to Iraq?
Also there is reports that say a large number of the Sudanese will fight against any troups sent in. There would be a problem trying to do anything in China as they have nuclear weapons and a huge army. It would be good to stop it, but you are certainly not going to get someone risking a nuclear war for it. AIDS in Africa is being given funding. The problem is that its a bit late to do much against it as the problem wasn't recognised early enough. Sadly world poverty will never be got rid of, despite most peoples good intentions. I agree that it wold be really good to have these problems solved but its just not going to happen.
Agreed about the Poverty comment, actually. It will NEVER go away, especially in our free market system.
| Link, the Hero of Time wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: |
I am not. That is what I've seen SO MANY Liberals do--Heck, the ACLU and MoveOn.org are all Liberal organizations, and that's ALL you get from them. |
Yes, you are. Here are some Stereotype definitions if you still think you're not:
1. A simplified and fixed image of all members of a culture or group (based on race, religion, ethnicity, age, gender, national origins)
2. Generalizations about people that are based on limited, sometimes inaccurate, information (from such sources as television, cartoons or comic books, minimal contact with one or more members of the group, second-hand information)
3. Initial predictions about strangers based on incomplete information about their culture, race, religion, or ethnicity
4. A single statement or attitude about a group of people that does not recognize the complex, multidimensional nature of human beings
5. Broad categories about people that fail to differentiate among individuals, peoples, and societies |
Ok, maybe he has steriotyped a bit much, but I have also noticed Democrates doing the same in here. Both people, hang back a bit although I know that it can get emotions going, done the same myself. |
Good points, but it is so common, in my opinion, of LIBERALS doing what I "stereotype" about them doing.
| Link, the Hero of Time wrote: | | Founder wrote: |
Yes, he sacrificed all of that to make the world safer and free an oppressed people. How evil of him...
Sorry, I saw that and HAD to comment on it.
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All that to capture one man who wasn't even a target to begin with.
and what about Bin Laden? Our MAIN target. I'm sure if we had poured as much resources to find him as we did trying to find Saddam, we might have found him by now. |
We are still pouring resources into that, our allies are helping us out with Bin Laden, and we are doing the best we can. He is a LOT harder to get than Saddam--a LOT harder, and we are trying JUST as hard, if not HARDER, to find Bin Laden than Saddam.
| Angeldust wrote: | | Quote: | | Well, there could be a few problems with the points that you have mentioned there. Is it right to go to Sudan - after all, look what happened when Bush went to Iraq. Also there is reports that say a large number of the Sudanese will fight against any troups sent in. There would be a problem trying to do anything in China as they have nuclear weapons and a huge army. It would be good to stop it, but you are certainly not going to get someone risking a nuclear war for it. AIDS in Africa is being given funding. The problem is that its a bit late to do much against it as the problem wasn't recognised early enough. Sadly world poverty will never be got rid of, despite most peoples good intentions. I agree that it wold be really good to have these problems solved but its just not going to happen. |
You misunderstood me. I said I was concerned about Sudan, not that we should move into the country with troops. Actually, I am concerned about all these things, but never once did I mention military action...
I believe we would be one step closer to solving these problems if we were a little less petty about other things that don't really matter...
What are "less petty" topics? And she MAY BE THE FIRST LADY, if that's what you're talking about.
| Quote: | | You're right. It is possible we could have caught Osama but I doubt it. Hes not as easy a man to catch as you think. |
If he were, we would have caught him by now... I think there are two possibilities here... either Bin Laden is so deep in hiding that he will never be found, or he is dead. |
I already gave my reply--but the death thing is a possibility.
Now, let's get back on topic--Theresa Heinz Kerry.
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Angeldust
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| Fri Aug 06, 2004 7:02 pm |
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I wasn't aware we ever left the topic. I was making a point earlier that a few outbursts are not as important as world issues, and it should not be treated as such. Her off handed comments are few and far between. There are very few politicians who have not slipped now and then. I imagine we hear about it far less often than it actually happens.
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Puck
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| Fri Aug 06, 2004 7:08 pm |
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I think it would be fair to recall VP Cheney's outburst a few weeks back. (to all those who are so displeased with this)
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Angeldust
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| Fri Aug 06, 2004 7:32 pm |
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*listens to crickets*
Repubs? Where'd you guys go?
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Jeremy
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| Sat Aug 07, 2004 6:01 pm |
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| Jeremy wrote: | | Well, there could be a few problems with the points that you have mentioned there. Is it right to go to Sudan - after all, look what happened when Bush went to Iraq. |
| RM wrote: | | What happened when Bush went to Iraq? |
I was meaning that the Democrates mostly protested against it but were now saying tha we should do something about it.
| Angeldust wrote: | | Jeremy wrote: | | Well, there could be a few problems with the points that you have mentioned there. Is it right to go to Sudan - after all, look what happened when Bush went to Iraq. Also there is reports that say a large number of the Sudanese will fight against any troups sent in. There would be a problem trying to do anything in China as they have nuclear weapons and a huge army. It would be good to stop it, but you are certainly not going to get someone risking a nuclear war for it. AIDS in Africa is being given funding. The problem is that its a bit late to do much against it as the problem wasn't recognised early enough. Sadly world poverty will never be got rid of, despite most peoples good intentions. I agree that it wold be really good to have these problems solved but its just not going to happen. |
You misunderstood me. I said I was concerned about Sudan, not that we should move into the country with troops. Actually, I am concerned about all these things, but never once did I mention military action... |
Sorry about that, I thought ahead. What action can the US/ UN/ EU etc take against Sudan? They already have a deadline before restrictions on trade etc come into place and nothing different is happening. If not military action what else?
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