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Republican_Man
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| Defiant wrote: | | You take it too literally. You want to be offended so you can complain about something. If they did something similar to Kerry when he is in office, you would laugh. Dont deny it repub. |
No, I DON'T want to be offended. I SWEAR TO YOU THAT WHEN I READ THAT I WANTED TO TEAR IT UP.
I won't deny that I would laugh for a minute if it was a politician that I didn't like, BUT I would almost immidiately realize that it was wrong and then condemn it. Just watch if it happens some time to one of yours, which it won't, and that's the whole point, isn't it?
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Defiant
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| Repub wrote: | | BUT I would almost immidiately realize that it was wrong and then condemn it. |
I seriously and 100% doubt that.
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Republican_Man
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| Defiant wrote: | | Repub wrote: | | BUT I would almost immidiately realize that it was wrong and then condemn it. |
I seriously and 100% doubt that. |
Well you know what--I expect just as much from you. I swar to you that I would condemn it. I don't like such things--they're horrible, no matter who it is.
And of course you'll doubt it, because you just can't admit that a Republican is a good person, now can you?
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Defiant
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I dont doubt that repubs are good people. But in here, youre not a person. Youre a repub.
Do you like when MAD TV makes fun of Kerry?
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Republican_Man
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| Wed Aug 04, 2004 11:52 pm |
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| Defiant wrote: | I dont doubt that repubs are good people. But in here, youre not a person. Youre a repub.
Do you like when MAD TV makes fun of Kerry? |
No, I do not. However, Cheney IS a SITTING Vice-President, so it's a bit worse, but I do NOT condone it.
But you also have to look at all the BUSH HATE books out there. There are SO MANY! I spent an hour in boorders today and found more than 10 anti-Bush books and calenders.
And I'm NOT "just a repub." I AM a person. Gosh darn it!
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To be fair, there are plenty of Clinton hate books too.  And I am positive that there were plenty when he was the sitting President.
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Defiant
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There was more than anything on Bush. Because he had the sex scandal. Everyone tore into him for it.
Youre not a person in this section, you are your beliefs.
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| Defiant wrote: | There was more than anything on Bush. Because he had the sex scandal. Everyone tore into him for it.
Youre not a person in this section, you are your beliefs. |
I am going to have to agree with Defiant on this. (especially after he edits it saying that it was Clinton having the sex scandal   ) I mean, what Clinton did was bad and all, but like some of the democrats are doin today, the republicans of that time harassed him like there was no tomorrow. And the comedy sect of the media DID make jokes about that and still do.
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Defiant
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I edit nothing. And I imagine RM will agree, but then to not sound completely bad, come at me with another point. Oh well, tis the rules of debate.
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Oh sure. To you Liberals, everything is
"Colorful"
"A Joke"
"A parody"
"It's just satire"
Well that's all bull, okay! You Libs have an excuse for EVERYTHING! |
Quit with the stereotyping.
| Republican_Man wrote: | So, this is a joke, then:
Mad TV magazine had a page with a picture of Dick Cheney like the Operation game with cutouts of body parts and it discussed several different horrible things about him. My teacher and other students called it a "Joke." Well, I don't give a damn if it's in Mad TV. It's an ATTACK on a sitting vice-President |
It's MAD MAGAZINE. They make fun of everything and anybody, no one is safe no matter what status they hold. I can't believe you're getting worked up over that. You must not understand what Mad mag. is.
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Yeah, I can just picture it...
Britain PM: You're thoughts, Mrs. Heinz Kerry?
Heinz Kerry: You want us to have 4 more years of hell! Well, you can just shove it!
She is NOT first lady material, and she does it too often. Laura Bush hasn't done such stuff and yet she was harrased by the Press as well. |
I'd applaud her if she did that, because she would be thinking of the people. And that's more then Laura does.
It's your opinion that she's not first lady material. I'll bet you said something along the same lines when Hillary Rodam Clinton ran for Senate. You see a strong woman and you can't handle it.
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| Quote: | | I'd applaud her if she did that, because she would be thinking of the people. And that's more then Laura does. |
Well since you obviously don't pay attention to Laura Bush when she goes to schools and reads to kids and talks about education and how we need to have all kids get an education.
So let me inform you, she goes to schools, and reads to the children, which I doubt Mrs. Heinz could do without telling one of the to shove it when they interrupted to ask a question. Maybe YOU just can't take a more conservative, old fashioned woman. Your implication that Mrs. Bush does not care about the people was way out of line.
| Quote: | | It's your opinion that she's not first lady material. |
Yes it is, and he is allowed to voice his opinion that she isn't.
| Quote: | It's MAD MAGAZINE. They make fun of everything and anybody, no one is safe no matter what status they hold. I can't believe you're getting worked up over that. You must not understand what Mad mag. is.
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There is a SHOW as well called Mad TV. It is like SNL.
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Yes it is, and he is allowed to voice his opinion that she isn't. |
Yeah, and I'm allowed my opinion that I think Bush is an idiot. That doesn't make opinions Valid in everyone's eyes.
| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | There is a SHOW as well called Mad TV. It is like SNL. |
Mad TV, is exactly like the magazine, and if you ever watched it you'd know. Also it's not like SNL, SNL has a line that they never cross. Mad Mag and MAD TV do not care, anything and anyone is fair game.
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Defiant
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No Link, he sees a strong DEMOCRATIC woman.
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| Quote: | | But you also have to look at all the BUSH HATE books out there. There are SO MANY! |
Usually when there is a concept that is repeated over and over... it actually IS true.
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I dont doubt that repubs are good people. But in here, youre not a person. Youre a repub. |
LOL Defiant.
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| Thu Aug 05, 2004 6:32 pm |
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| Defiant wrote: | There was more than anything on Bush. Because he had the sex scandal. Everyone tore into him for it.
Youre not a person in this section, you are your beliefs. |
Yes, he had the scandal, and that's the point.
Bush HASN'T had the scandle, and ALSO there are WAY more Bush HATE books than Clinton HATE books.
| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | Defiant wrote: | There was more than anything on Bush. Because he had the sex scandal. Everyone tore into him for it.
Youre not a person in this section, you are your beliefs. |
I am going to have to agree with Defiant on this. (especially after he edits it saying that it was Clinton having the sex scandal ) I mean, what Clinton did was bad and all, but like some of the democrats are doin today, the republicans of that time harassed him like there was no tomorrow. And the comedy sect of the media DID make jokes about that and still do. |
Of course, and it is sometimes funny, but I don't condone it nor agree with it, but there are more reasons for that than Bush, though, but still...It's not right all in general.
| Link, the Hero of Time wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: |
Oh sure. To you Liberals, everything is
"Colorful"
"A Joke"
"A parody"
"It's just satire"
Well that's all bull, okay! You Libs have an excuse for EVERYTHING! |
Quit with the stereotyping.
I am not. That is what I've seen SO MANY Liberals do--Heck, the ACLU and MoveOn.org are all Liberal organizations, and that's ALL you get from them.
| Republican_Man wrote: | So, this is a joke, then:
Mad TV magazine had a page with a picture of Dick Cheney like the Operation game with cutouts of body parts and it discussed several different horrible things about him. My teacher and other students called it a "Joke." Well, I don't give a damn if it's in Mad TV. It's an ATTACK on a sitting vice-President |
It's MAD MAGAZINE. They make fun of everything and anybody, no one is safe no matter what status they hold. I can't believe you're getting worked up over that. You must not understand what Mad mag. is.
I don't give a damn that it's MAD MAGAZINE It doesn't mean that you should do such things to a SITTING VICE-PRESIDENT who especially HAS HEART PROBLEMS, DAMN IT!
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Yeah, I can just picture it...
Britain PM: You're thoughts, Mrs. Heinz Kerry?
Heinz Kerry: You want us to have 4 more years of hell! Well, you can just shove it!
She is NOT first lady material, and she does it too often. Laura Bush hasn't done such stuff and yet she was harrased by the Press as well. |
I'd applaud her if she did that, because she would be thinking of the people. And that's more then Laura does.
You don't do that if you have the chance of being first lady material.
It's your opinion that she's not first lady material. I'll bet you said something along the same lines when Hillary Rodam Clinton ran for Senate. You see a strong woman and you can't handle it. |
Oh my God! That is such a jerkish statement! I;m all for strong women, but if you are going to be in the White House you shouldn't do such things--same, and especially moreso, as running for President, it's not right.
And I didn't even pay attention to politics when Hillary ran for the Senate, but still...it's not right, and btw, I don't like Hilary, she's a jerk, a phony, and a horrible Senator. I have many family members in New York and they are disgusted by her acts in Congress, but that's not the point.
The point is that those are such things that should not happen--Now you can just "shove it!"
| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | Quote: | | I'd applaud her if she did that, because she would be thinking of the people. And that's more then Laura does. |
Well since you obviously don't pay attention to Laura Bush when she goes to schools and reads to kids and talks about education and how we need to have all kids get an education.
EXACTLY. Good point.
So let me inform you, she goes to schools, and reads to the children, which I doubt Mrs. Heinz could do without telling one of the to shove it when they interrupted to ask a question. Maybe YOU just can't take a more conservative, old fashioned woman. Your implication that Mrs. Bush does not care about the people was way out of line.
Agreed.
| Quote: | | It's your opinion that she's not first lady material. |
Yes it is, and he is allowed to voice his opinion that she isn't.
Exactly, thank you.
| Quote: | It's MAD MAGAZINE. They make fun of everything and anybody, no one is safe no matter what status they hold. I can't believe you're getting worked up over that. You must not understand what Mad mag. is.
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There is a SHOW as well called Mad TV. It is like SNL. |
I know, and that's what the Magazine is based off of.
| Link, the Hero of Time wrote: | | JanewayIsHott wrote: |
Yes it is, and he is allowed to voice his opinion that she isn't. |
Yeah, and I'm allowed my opinion that I think Bush is an idiot. That doesn't make opinions Valid in everyone's eyes.
Of course. And I can say that that is a mean comment, but that I believe that Kerry is so as well, so we are on mutual ground there.
| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | There is a SHOW as well called Mad TV. It is like SNL. |
Mad TV, is exactly like the magazine, and if you ever watched it you'd know. Also it's not like SNL, SNL has a line that they never cross. Mad Mag and MAD TV do not care, anything and anyone is fair game. |
It's still not right.
| Quote: | | No Link, he sees a strong DEMOCRATIC woman. |
Of course you'll say that, and it's not true.
| Angeldust wrote: | | Quote: | | But you also have to look at all the BUSH HATE books out there. There are SO MANY! |
Usually when there is a concept that is repeated over and over... it actually IS true.
No, it is NOT! And have you seen the books "Bushism" and "House of Bush, House of Saud" and "The Bush Dinisty" and the list goes on and on, plus there is a horrible CALENDER about Bush. I was TOTALLY DISGUSTED when I walked through boarders and saw those books etc.
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I dont doubt that repubs are good people. But in here, youre not a person. Youre a repub. |
LOL Defiant. |
Not funny.
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^ You are right. It wasn't funny. It was hilarious.
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I am not. That is what I've seen SO MANY Liberals do--Heck, the ACLU and MoveOn.org are all Liberal organizations, and that's ALL you get from them. |
Yes, you are. Here are some Stereotype definitions if you still think you're not:
1. A simplified and fixed image of all members of a culture or group (based on race, religion, ethnicity, age, gender, national origins)
2. Generalizations about people that are based on limited, sometimes inaccurate, information (from such sources as television, cartoons or comic books, minimal contact with one or more members of the group, second-hand information)
3. Initial predictions about strangers based on incomplete information about their culture, race, religion, or ethnicity
4. A single statement or attitude about a group of people that does not recognize the complex, multidimensional nature of human beings
5. Broad categories about people that fail to differentiate among individuals, peoples, and societies
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| Quote: | | You take it too literally. You want to be offended so you can complain about something. If they did something similar to Kerry when he is in office, you would laugh. Dont deny it repub. |
I sure as hell wont. I laugh when they say Kerry's face looks like its melting. Wanna know why? Because it does!
If ya'll can laugh at Bush jokes surely we can laugh at Democrat jokes eh?
| Quote: | | You see a strong woman and you can't handle it. |
How right you are. Us Republicans are sexist pigs aren't we? We've proven that time after time.
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George W. Bush has sacrificed over 900 American soldiers, committed 200 Billion Dollars, and destroyed our economy to capture Saddam Hussein |
Yes, he sacrificed all of that to make the world safer and free an oppressed people. How evil of him...
Sorry, I saw that and HAD to comment on it.
Back on topic...
Just because Kerry speaks her mind doesnt mean she "cares for the people". She needs control as does the President himself. I don't want people like that running the White House. She'd probably start a war just from the sutff shes going to say.
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| Quote: | | Just because Kerry speaks her mind doesnt mean she "cares for the people". She needs control as does the President himself. I don't want people like that running the White House. She'd probably start a war just from the sutff shes going to say. |
If a couple insults were all it took to get involved in a war, I don't know if any of us would be sitting here right now. I can't summon up the will to care that much over someone getting upset about a reporter being in their face. The guy probably deserved it.
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I don't doubt that. Reporters tend to be....annoying. I just think that maybe a little self control is needed. "4 more years of hell"? Thats uncalled for. I can guarantee you though if in the Republic convention Laura says "Vote Bush or we'll get 4 years of Communism.", there will be the big backlash. Democrats won't be as forgiving as they were for Kerry's wife. When I say Democrats, I dont always mean people in this site. So plz don't say "You dont know us!" and yatta yatta yatta.
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| Quote: | | I just think that maybe a little self control is needed. "4 more years of hell"? Thats uncalled for. |
The thing with this statement is I don't think she was saying it maliciously. I think that she was being honest. It was probably just her opinion. Her take on the environment that is her country... I don't know...
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| Quote: | | The thing with this statement is I don't think she was saying it maliciously. I think that she was being honest. It was probably just her opinion. Her take on the environment that is her country... I don't know... |
You're probably right. But some opinions should be stifled or at least reworded. I think Kerry is a communist that will lead our country into the toilet. But I wouldn't say that at one of his campaign stops because its uncalled for.
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| Quote: | | I think Kerry is a communist that will lead our country into the toilet. |
That is a bit more colorful than "4 years of hell". And here I was, thinking you were a Liberal...
I just can't get worked up over the way somebody words something when there are more important issues... issues like 1 in 5 children are born into poverty...Social Security is failing, and nobody is doing anything about it...the Sudan...AIDS in Africa... Human Rights violations in China....That is the stuff I care about. Not an off handed comment made in the heat of the moment to an annoying reporter. ...
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Well, there could be a few problems with the points that you have mentioned there. Is it right to go to Sudan - after all, look what happened when Bush went to Iraq. Also there is reports that say a large number of the Sudanese will fight against any troups sent in. There would be a problem trying to do anything in China as they have nuclear weapons and a huge army. It would be good to stop it, but you are certainly not going to get someone risking a nuclear war for it. AIDS in Africa is being given funding. The problem is that its a bit late to do much against it as the problem wasn't recognised early enough. Sadly world poverty will never be got rid of, despite most peoples good intentions. I agree that it wold be really good to have these problems solved but its just not going to happen.
| Link, the Hero of Time wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: |
I am not. That is what I've seen SO MANY Liberals do--Heck, the ACLU and MoveOn.org are all Liberal organizations, and that's ALL you get from them. |
Yes, you are. Here are some Stereotype definitions if you still think you're not:
1. A simplified and fixed image of all members of a culture or group (based on race, religion, ethnicity, age, gender, national origins)
2. Generalizations about people that are based on limited, sometimes inaccurate, information (from such sources as television, cartoons or comic books, minimal contact with one or more members of the group, second-hand information)
3. Initial predictions about strangers based on incomplete information about their culture, race, religion, or ethnicity
4. A single statement or attitude about a group of people that does not recognize the complex, multidimensional nature of human beings
5. Broad categories about people that fail to differentiate among individuals, peoples, and societies |
Ok, maybe he has steriotyped a bit much, but I have also noticed Democrates doing the same in here. Both people, hang back a bit although I know that it can get emotions going, done the same myself.
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Yes, he sacrificed all of that to make the world safer and free an oppressed people. How evil of him...
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All that to capture one man who wasn't even a target to begin with.
and what about Bin Laden? Our MAIN target. I'm sure if we had poured as much resources to find him as we did trying to find Saddam, we might have found him by now.
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