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Voyager`
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another clinton as president! HA if that happens i just might seriously think about relocateing to a dif country :S kerry hes bout as bad!
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Defiant
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| Sun Aug 01, 2004 1:11 am |
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TZ! A republican! Oh nos...
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Aug 01, 2004 12:00 pm |
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | What if Kerry wins this year....I don't think Hillary would be running.   |
Oh, but I'm confident that Kerry will lose and Bush will win.
| Quote: | | Voyager` wrote: | | another clinton as president! HA if that happens i just might seriously think about relocateing to a dif country :S kerry hes bout as bad! |
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I have not been exempt from that thought, my man.
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Leo Wyatt
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| Sun Aug 01, 2004 12:02 pm |
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America will be doomed if Kerry wins in my opinion. America will surely fall. He wants to raise taxes, the man got to be insane in my opinion.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Aug 01, 2004 12:04 pm |
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| kmma wrote: | | America will be doomed if Kerry wins in my opinion. America will surely fall. He wants to raise taxes, the man got to be insane in my opinion. |
I'm not sure that we'll FALL, so to speak, just be in big trouble.
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Leo Wyatt
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| Sun Aug 01, 2004 12:05 pm |
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Toad
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| Sun Aug 01, 2004 12:34 pm |
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| Voyager` wrote: | | I agree with about every one of your comments good work and thats for takeing the time to do all the work it took to post that i was happy to read it all since i missed him giveing it i knew it was gonna be full of crap tho |
Were you talkin to me? 
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borgslayer
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| Sun Aug 01, 2004 3:27 pm |
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Kerry plans on raising taxes on the Rich not on the middle class.
He plans on not going to war because he wants to, he plans to go to war because he was to. - CNN Interview
He plans to lower the healthcare cost for most middle class Americans.
He plans to do something with the poverty in America.
He plans to give benefits to the hard working middle class Americans.
He plans to find other ways of getting energy rather than sticking to crude oil.
He wants companies to stay in the United States and not move jobs.
He wants to fix the education crisis.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Aug 01, 2004 3:39 pm |
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| borgslayer wrote: | Kerry plans on raising taxes on the Rich not on the middle class.
That's what he SAYS, but I can JUST TELL that he's going to raise taxes on the middle class. Hey, he voted to raise taxes on people in the middle class many times, plus on gasoline.
He plans on not going to war because he wants to, he plans to go to war because he was to. - CNN Interview
Yes, of course. BUT that was basically speaking about the War in Iraq, correct? A war that HE voted for and supported.
He plans to lower the healthcare cost for most middle class Americans.
Bush has tried doing that with his medicare proposal, for instance, something that many conservatives aren't quite happy about.
He plans to do something with the poverty in America.
But how?
He plans to give benefits to the hard working middle class Americans.
Hah!
He plans to find other ways of getting energy rather than sticking to crude oil.
Well perhaps.
He wants companies to stay in the United States and not move jobs.
Yeah, "Benedict Arnold Companies." That's not gonna work too much. And oh, does he not own SO MUCH STOCK in a company that SHIPS JOBS OVER SEAS? (Heinz Ketchup, which has most of it's factories outside of the US.)
He wants to fix the education crisis. |
How does he plan to do that, and what is the crises?
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borgslayer
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| Sun Aug 01, 2004 3:43 pm |
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He is just talking about not rushing to war or another way of saying it Bush. * Presidents should not Rush Wars they should wait till they have good credible evidence to do so. *
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Aug 01, 2004 3:57 pm |
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| borgslayer wrote: | | He is just talking about not rushing to war or another way of saying it Bush. * Presidents should not Rush Wars they should wait till they have good credible evidence to do so. * |
Guess what? Bush HAD credible evidence from SO MANY SOURCES. Kerry supported the war, and is now against it and making accusations against Bush.
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Jeremy
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| Sun Aug 01, 2004 5:10 pm |
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Kerry can change his mind about what is right and wrong. If he gets better information that shows the reasons are wrong then he can change his mind, alhough he cannot accuse Bush of being bad if he does. I don't know if he has done that. From what we get told here he's not against the war, but was against the way it was run and planned.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Aug 01, 2004 5:16 pm |
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| Jeremy wrote: | | Kerry can change his mind about what is right and wrong. If he gets better information that shows the reasons are wrong then he can change his mind, alhough he cannot accuse Bush of being bad if he does. I don't know if he has done that. From what we get told here he's not against the war, but was against the way it was run and planned. |
He can NOT change his mind by saying "We shouldn't have gone to war." He SUPPORTED it and SAID that there were WMDs. He got information that we may have been mistaken and now says that we shouldn't have gone into Iraq. It is politically expedient and he has FLIP-FLOPPED, accused him of being a milseader, and called him a liar. That's especially wrong.
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Jeremy
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He can say that we shouldn't have gone in if he gets better information that is more recent. What he can't do is say that Bush was wrong as he had said that war was right when he had the information at the start of the war. I can't say wheter it was to get voters or not, and neither can you, although I know you believe it is, but we aren't him. I have a slight tendency to agree that it was for voted, but don't know enough and don't know him. I would laugh though if he had done it for that reason and tomorrow a huge pile of WMD are found.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Aug 01, 2004 5:23 pm |
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| Jeremy wrote: | | He can say that we shouldn't have gone in if he gets better information that is more recent. What he can't do is say that Bush was wrong as he had said that war was right when he had the information at the start of the war. I can't say wheter it was to get voters or not, and neither can you, although I know you believe it is, but we aren't him. I have a slight tendency to agree that it was for voted, but don't know enough and don't know him. I would laugh though if he had done it for that reason and tomorrow a huge pile of WMD are found. |
No, he can't! He's flip-flopped. He says that we shouldn't have gone to war and yet supported it. So we got more updated information--that does NOT mean that he can change his mind on the war, especially for political reasons! I agree that he can't say that Bush mislead & lied, though.
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Jeremy
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| Sun Aug 01, 2004 5:31 pm |
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I'll show another example, and hopefully it will make the point I'm trying to make clear. If someone gets told that a friend was talking up behind their back, should they change the way they thought about the friend if they get told by other people that the first person lied and their friend hadn't done this? In other words if the first set of information is proved to be wrong should Bush stick by it anyway?
I think he should say that it was right with the information he had at the time, but maybe not now with hindsight showing it might not have been true.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Aug 01, 2004 5:38 pm |
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| Jeremy wrote: | I'll show another example, and hopefully it will make the point I'm trying to make clear. If someone gets told that a friend was talking up behind their back, should they change the way they thought about the friend if they get told by other people that the first person lied and their friend hadn't done this? In other words if the first set of information is proved to be wrong should Bush stick by it anyway?
I think he should say that it was right with the information he had at the time, but maybe not now with hindsight showing it might not have been true. |
A view on a war is different. Plus, this man was in Congress and SAW THE SAME INTELLIGENCE AS BUSH. Now he says that we should NOT have gone into war PERIOD. THAT's what I object to. He saw the intel available, and then changed his view a year later. It's not right, and it's on a MUCH larger scale then your "analogy."
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Jeremy
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| Sun Aug 01, 2004 5:48 pm |
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Yes, if he is now saying that it was wrong in the first place then he is flip-flopping and that is wrong. I have never had it made clear to me though if it was a change of view to "it is wrong now" or "it was was totally". I haven't heard it from the media as I'm not in America, and all the coverage we get here is about the Boston convention. It seems a bit biased for Kerry though.
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Leo Wyatt
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| Sun Aug 01, 2004 6:32 pm |
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No kerry BorgSlayer is raising taxes on the poor more than the rich. Democrats are for the rich and themselves.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Aug 01, 2004 7:58 pm |
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| Jeremy wrote: | | Yes, if he is now saying that it was wrong in the first place then he is flip-flopping and that is wrong. I have never had it made clear to me though if it was a change of view to "it is wrong now" or "it was was totally". I haven't heard it from the media as I'm not in America, and all the coverage we get here is about the Boston convention. It seems a bit biased for Kerry though. |
Good, I'm glad that you've come to my reasoning.
But what I say is that he can say that we were mistaken--that we were mistaken, but NOT that we should go to war.
I now say that so far, and although things may change, the Intel was false.
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Sun Aug 01, 2004 10:49 pm |
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If your going to raise taxes, they should be raised for everybody. If you're going to lower them, then lower them for everybody. I mean, it just seems fair. We'd be affected by Kerry's supposed tax raise on the "rich" (if that is the only group he targets, as he's said *cough*), how is that fair? My parents work ALOT, they earn their money just like everybody else, and they have to work harder to make more. So how is it fair? Crazy.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Aug 01, 2004 11:19 pm |
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| IntrepidIsMe wrote: | | If your going to raise taxes, they should be raised for everybody. If you're going to lower them, then lower them for everybody. I mean, it just seems fair. We'd be affected by Kerry's supposed tax raise on the "rich" (if that is the only group he targets, as he's said *cough*), how is that fair? My parents work ALOT, they earn their money just like everybody else, and they have to work harder to make more. So how is it fair? Crazy. |
It's not. Agreed.
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Founder
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| Mon Aug 02, 2004 1:56 am |
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| Quote: | | America will be doomed if Kerry wins in my opinion. |
Agreed. We just escaped 8 years of communism with Cliniton don't make us go back.
| Quote: | | Democrats are for the rich and themselves. |
And they find ways to screw my people over as I said numerous times. Something I have to look forward to if he wins.  
| Quote: | | He can NOT change his mind by saying "We shouldn't have gone to war." He SUPPORTED it and SAID that there were WMDs. He got information that we may have been mistaken and now says that we shouldn't have gone into Iraq. It is politically expedient and he has FLIP-FLOPPED, accused him of being a milseader, and called him a liar. That's especially wrong. |
Exactly. He only changed sides because he would be more popular with the people. Kinda late to change sides when you "helped" start the war, eh Kerry?
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| Mon Aug 02, 2004 8:37 am |
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Just currious when Kerry is elected and he will be who will the republicans blame than? the public? I can't wait to see that.
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Leo Wyatt
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| Mon Aug 02, 2004 8:40 am |
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You think you are so sure Kerry be elected and it is not time yet.
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