Abortions

Leo Wyatt · **Fri Jul 30, 2004 5:09 pm**

THanks for clearing that up B'Elanna. tHat what I was going to put. THanks in a good way.

Kyre · Commodore Joined: 15 Mar 2002 Posts: 1263

Dolphins have sex for the fun of it. But dolphins don't have to worry about child support. Quite a nice feature that.

Anyway, the only way you can stop abortion 100% is abstinence. Noone wants that. Humans have evolved to a point where sexual intercourse is a recreational act, and not just continuation of the species.

Christ, people have sex all the time, using preventative methods that aren't 100% effective (that's if they're using any at all). There are bound to be alot of unlucky test results.

And kids are probably alive from conception in some shape or form. So yeah, abortion is murder, technically. What else is there to do? People want sex, but they don't want the kids that come with it. Too complicated an issue in my opinion, for there ever to be a sound answer. I'll stop here then, on the fence.

Angeldust · **Fri Jul 30, 2004 5:16 pm**

With me, it isn't an issue of right or wrong (though I have made my opinion on this clear before) it is an issue of whether or not the government has a right to legislate. Which it doesn't.

Jeff Miller · **Fri Jul 30, 2004 5:23 pm**

I notice that alot of the people who say its wrong are very religous and the people who don't have a problem with it I.E. me and Defiant don't seem to be very religous. From what I been reading the religous people say its wrong but should the people who feel the opisite of you be forced to feel the same? if you don't like it ok don't go but the choice should be there regardless if your religous or not.

Leo Wyatt · **Fri Jul 30, 2004 5:24 pm**

Who say forcing only you.

Leo Wyatt · **Fri Jul 30, 2004 5:24 pm**

this is a debate so we debate

Jeff Miller · **Fri Jul 30, 2004 5:29 pm**

when you see nothing but constant posts about Jesus and god it makes a person whos Athiest feel like that they are pushing their belieives onto people. I remember last summer when all the religous nuts were out protesting the movie release down the street of Freddy Vs. Jason saying how watching that movie will send you to hell. Well I feel the same that I did when I had to go through that group just to enjoy a good movie. I feel that people who need to use this exit shouldn't be made to feel that they are making a grave mistake.

Arellia · **Fri Jul 30, 2004 5:29 pm**

Captain Dappet · **Fri Jul 30, 2004 5:30 pm**

Abortion should be legal. The people who are against abortion, obviously will not abort. So I don't see the problem with legalizing abortion.

Leo Wyatt · **Fri Jul 30, 2004 5:34 pm**

whatever. Like a song goes, Do your thing and I will do mine. Just worry about yourself and not worry about everything else. THat is wrong with everybody on here. Just worried about who hates who what is right and wrong instead of worrying about themselves. Why bother?

Angeldust · **Fri Jul 30, 2004 5:34 pm**

The big thing with making abortion illegal is that it wouldn't make a difference. If you made abortion illegal, it would still be going on... just in alleyways and doctors that are not qualified to perform the operations...it would raise the mortality rates of women, who would be getting infections and dying from trying to use a hanger...instead of being allowed to go to a clean clinic and have a qualified doctor perform the procedure...

I equate it to prohibition in that way. Making alcohol illegal didn't stop people from drinking it, and making abortion illegal will not make people stop getting them...

Sorry for the yucky visual about the hanger...

LightningBoy · **Fri Jul 30, 2004 6:18 pm**

Leo Wyatt · **Fri Jul 30, 2004 6:20 pm**

I agree with LightningBoy

Angeldust · **Fri Jul 30, 2004 6:35 pm**

That is a fascinating take on it.

Puck · The Texan Joined: 05 Jan 2004 Posts: 5596

Republican_Man · **Fri Jul 30, 2004 11:11 pm**

Jeff Miller · **Sat Jul 31, 2004 12:22 am**

This is all how it boils down for me I think it should be there if you need it if you do than use it if you don't than don't but don't drag people down who may or may not use it. There is alot other stuff we could fight.

Puck · The Texan Joined: 05 Jan 2004 Posts: 5596

There certainly is alot of stuff to fight over, but for me, this is a major issue. If it were gay marriage....honestly I could care less. Let the poor people marry. It is freedom of choice, and it only effects themselves. But I am willing to fight over this. If you don't want to, you don't have to, but I will.

Leo Wyatt · **Sat Jul 31, 2004 4:51 am**

Gees then ya really must love to fight then and not worry about yourselves than everything else. get mad at or hate me I don't care anymore.

superwoman · **Sat Jul 31, 2004 9:13 am**

Oooo abortions! I just can't ignore this topic...! I haven't read all the posts thou, haven't got the time right now...
soo...yeah...I don't like abortions cuz it's a painfull thing in many diffrent ways. But I Do think it's the woman's right to choose if she want a child or not. That child isn't a person, it's a... wait... some filosopher has said (cant remember who thou) that a child is a blank piece of paper. That "child" who is... -7months (or two months depends on how you do the counting

) don't have any what so ever memories or feelings. It's Not a person. And then you'll say
"but it Will be a person when it grow up" And I'll say,
"I will not miss that person cuz it doesn't exist" and you'll say:
"It's murder" And I'll say
"Then you're a massmurderer (if you're a guy) every time you... (how do i put this more delicate? naa I can't) come in the toilet"
and so on and so on... ok...! Now I Do remember why I left world disscusion

I allready know all the lines
*leaves*

LightningBoy · **Sat Jul 31, 2004 2:00 pm**

Difference being that a sperm cell is simply that, a cell. Which is no different than a hair cell or a skin cell. It carries DNA and has no chance of creating its own life. Same case with the egg cell.

When they're combined THAT is when they create their own potential, that is when they develop their own set of variables and sort out teher own sets of genes and traits, that is when they create their own style of invividuality.

You're created AT THAT POINT. Everything is sealed. You're hair color, your height, your eyes, youe skin, everything is pre-determined from that point forward (barring un-natural human intervention), the blueprints for your life are fully there, and your entire potential is lain out in front of you, eveything from that point forward is growth. You can't set numbers, statistics, ect... on you from there on. That is when two cells become a human.

Toad · **Sat Jul 31, 2004 9:03 pm**

Puck · The Texan Joined: 05 Jan 2004 Posts: 5596

Toad · **Sat Jul 31, 2004 9:25 pm**