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Leo Wyatt
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But ya tend to believe the media though. Not good thing. Media lies.
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Angeldust
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| Fri Jul 30, 2004 4:18 pm |
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| Quote: | | But ya tend to believe the media though. Not good thing. Media lies. |
What makes you think that? 
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Leo Wyatt
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| Fri Jul 30, 2004 4:27 pm |
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Cause they lie and proven that they do. they spin lies to make it look bad on Bush. Most of the media is democrat. I get my stuff from the army source if they are true or not. I rather trust the army than the media cause my husband is soon to be going back over there in Iraq and thats why i get so mad when people bash bush. I see it this way, they bash bush they bash the troops and my husband. Cause they are over there fighting for what they believe in and they do hear about whats going on back home.
Plus media just bad. I found out one time, some soldiers were killed in my husband's unit and found out someone lied in the media. Noone was killed out of his unit.
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Angeldust
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| Fri Jul 30, 2004 4:30 pm |
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I must say that I was incredibly pleased when the voters and protesters made it clear that they were not protesting the soldiers, but the war. That really gave me a warm and fuzzy... I'm glad that people are making that distinction this time around... I was afraid at first that this would be another Vietnam scenario, you know? With the voters blaming the soldiers for the war? That would've been awful...
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Leo Wyatt
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| Fri Jul 30, 2004 4:33 pm |
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Soldiers are only there to help protect America and help free Iraq and some don't see it. We are just gonna go on and on and people won't agree. Just be more fighting. So no winners in this really. There is no peace on the boards. In my opinion. But you seem to be a nice person to talk to Angeldust.
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Angeldust
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| Fri Jul 30, 2004 4:41 pm |
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OOOHHH!! Thank you!! ::blush::
I know how you feel about the troops. Its not like life is easy for them over there, I know. I just got back... 
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Leo Wyatt
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| Fri Jul 30, 2004 4:42 pm |
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I am sorry. God Bless you.
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Angeldust
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| Fri Jul 30, 2004 4:48 pm |
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Right back at you, kid. 
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Jul 30, 2004 10:34 pm |
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| Jeremy wrote: | | Ok, onto the main topic please now, rather than making comments about "the liberals". |
| Lt.CmdrWorf wrote: | | Why? Do you not like the truth? |
Apparently not. Oh, but maybe we're being STEREOTYPICAL.
| Angeldust wrote: | | Well, there is nothing wrong with changing your opinions, I suppose... |
It depends on the reason (like Kerry because he is Politically Expedient) and how long after it is. For instance, Kerry supported the war and recently began opposing it and calling Bush a liar. That's wrong. Also, and don't take this personally, my friend, but JanewayIsHott supported the war for over a year and just this week changed his mind.
| Lt.CmdrWorf wrote: | | Angeldust wrote: | Well, I will never flip flop! I will be loyal to the last!!  |
Now that's funny!  |
Agreed.
| kmma wrote: | | After maybe right after something happens but not a year or two later. thats crazy. |
Just what I said above...
| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | Angeldust wrote: | | Well, there is nothing wrong with changing your opinions, I suppose... |
There isn't if you have valid reasons for changing your opinion. Kerry seems to do it to win the votes though. |
I already stated that.
| kmma wrote: | | But ya tend to believe the media though. Not good thing. Media lies. |
But of course. The only media that I trust, for the most part, is FOX News, (24 hr. news), a station that Canada won't allow and yet they've approved Al Jazeera.
| Angeldust wrote: | | Quote: | | But ya tend to believe the media though. Not good thing. Media lies. |
What makes you think that? |
| kmma wrote: | Cause they lie and proven that they do. they spin lies to make it look bad on Bush. Most of the media is democrat. I get my stuff from the army source if they are true or not. I rather trust the army than the media cause my husband is soon to be going back over there in Iraq and thats why i get so mad when people bash bush. I see it this way, they bash bush they bash the troops and my husband. Cause they are over there fighting for what they believe in and they do hear about whats going on back home.
Plus media just bad. I found out one time, some soldiers were killed in my husband's unit and found out someone lied in the media. Noone was killed out of his unit. |
GREAT POINTS. And that isn't too odd, how the media said that someone died and yet that person didn't. I belive that the media lies and spins, etc because it's OBVIOUS that they do. Just look at the Iraq issue. Just look at the Iraq-Quada Link issue, to site a couple examples.
| Angeldust wrote: | | I must say that I was incredibly pleased when the voters and protesters made it clear that they were not protesting the soldiers, but the war. That really gave me a warm and fuzzy... I'm glad that people are making that distinction this time around... I was afraid at first that this would be another Vietnam scenario, you know? With the voters blaming the soldiers for the war? That would've been awful... |
Well guess what: The soldiers don't see that the voters and protesters aren't anti-military (aside from Ron Reagan Jr, the Disgrace, and others like him) Remember earlier when I said that I was talking with someone and that person told me that at a Military Homecoming, a woman in the military was talking to counter protestors, and when a protestor said, "We support the military, but..." the military woman just turned around and continued talking with the counter protestors. Plus, it's odd that people like the Liberals, such as Kerry, support the military, or so they say, when they don't want more advanced technology and to support our troops with the $87 billion they need. But wait--Kerry DID vote for the 87 billion, before he voted against it.
| kmma wrote: | | Soldiers are only there to help protect America and help free Iraq and some don't see it. We are just gonna go on and on and people won't agree. Just be more fighting. So no winners in this really. There is no peace on the boards. In my opinion. But you seem to be a nice person to talk to Angeldust. |
I agree with sentence one. Sentence two as well. I believe that I have already won  .
And yes--God Bless you, Angeldust.
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Angeldust
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| Fri Jul 30, 2004 10:40 pm |
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| Quote: | Angeldust wrote:
I must say that I was incredibly pleased when the voters and protesters made it clear that they were not protesting the soldiers, but the war. That really gave me a warm and fuzzy... I'm glad that people are making that distinction this time around... I was afraid at first that this would be another Vietnam scenario, you know? With the voters blaming the soldiers for the war? That would've been awful...
Well guess what: The soldiers don't see that the voters and protesters aren't anti-military |
Uh, Yeah, they do. And that is due to the "AWFUL MEDIA", too, if you must know.
| Quote: | | it's odd that people like the Liberals, such as Kerry, support the military, or so they say, when they don't want more advanced technology |
We already have the best military in the world, what do you want???
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Republican_Man
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Leo Wyatt
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| Sat Jul 31, 2004 5:27 am |
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Ok, I am going to say something that everybody is gonna hate me for.
Ok, I am starting to view things like this. Everybody not need worry about Bush or Kerry is doing, and just worry about themselves. No matter who wins or loses, nobody will be happy. This crap will only cause people want to argue and fight more. Not need to worry about things around you happening and worry about yourselves.
Debating, argueing, and fighting over this will not change people opinions and minds. Only cause people to fight. Is it really worth it? By reading it looks like yall still want to fight over this and not worry about yoursleves.
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Leo Wyatt
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| Sat Jul 31, 2004 6:08 am |
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I am not flip flopping. I still believe in my views but all this fighting in here sucks big time like I said above.
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Toad
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| Sat Jul 31, 2004 4:43 pm |
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| Angeldust wrote: | | I must say that I was incredibly pleased when the voters and protesters made it clear that they were not protesting the soldiers, but the war. That really gave me a warm and fuzzy... I'm glad that people are making that distinction this time around... I was afraid at first that this would be another Vietnam scenario, you know? With the voters blaming the soldiers for the war? That would've been awful... |
As the Seven would say, "Your logic is flawed!"
To support the troops and not the war is like saying, "I support the New York Yankees but not Major League Baseball"
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Kyre
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| Lt.CmdrWorf wrote: | | Angeldust wrote: | | I must say that I was incredibly pleased when the voters and protesters made it clear that they were not protesting the soldiers, but the war. That really gave me a warm and fuzzy... I'm glad that people are making that distinction this time around... I was afraid at first that this would be another Vietnam scenario, you know? With the voters blaming the soldiers for the war? That would've been awful... |
As the Seven would say, "Your logic is flawed!"
To support the troops and not the war is like saying, "I support the New York Yankees but not Major League Baseball" |
You're a german mother in the early forties. Having a slither of morals you see that Hitler is an absolute nut, but you couldn't stop your son being drafted. What then? You can't wish for your son to return home safe?
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Republican_Man
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| Kyre wrote: | | Lt.CmdrWorf wrote: | | Angeldust wrote: | | I must say that I was incredibly pleased when the voters and protesters made it clear that they were not protesting the soldiers, but the war. That really gave me a warm and fuzzy... I'm glad that people are making that distinction this time around... I was afraid at first that this would be another Vietnam scenario, you know? With the voters blaming the soldiers for the war? That would've been awful... |
As the Seven would say, "Your logic is flawed!"
To support the troops and not the war is like saying, "I support the New York Yankees but not Major League Baseball" |
You're a german mother in the early forties. Having a slither of morals you see that Hitler is an absolute nut, but you couldn't stop your son being drafted. What then? You can't wish for your son to return home safe? |
Well of course you'll hope that your son will return home safe, but you should hate Hitler and then be upset that your son has to work for an evil man. But also, it would be evil for the kid not to kill himself.
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Puck
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| Lt.CmdrWorf wrote: | | Angeldust wrote: | | I must say that I was incredibly pleased when the voters and protesters made it clear that they were not protesting the soldiers, but the war. That really gave me a warm and fuzzy... I'm glad that people are making that distinction this time around... I was afraid at first that this would be another Vietnam scenario, you know? With the voters blaming the soldiers for the war? That would've been awful... |
As the Seven would say, "Your logic is flawed!"
To support the troops and not the war is like saying, "I support the New York Yankees but not Major League Baseball" |
That is a perfectly fair statement. At least people care enough to make a distinction in what they are protesting. Perhaps they think they are fighting for the troops safety in a war that they don't think it is necessary to put our troops in harms way for.
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Republican_Man
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | Lt.CmdrWorf wrote: | | Angeldust wrote: | | I must say that I was incredibly pleased when the voters and protesters made it clear that they were not protesting the soldiers, but the war. That really gave me a warm and fuzzy... I'm glad that people are making that distinction this time around... I was afraid at first that this would be another Vietnam scenario, you know? With the voters blaming the soldiers for the war? That would've been awful... |
As the Seven would say, "Your logic is flawed!"
To support the troops and not the war is like saying, "I support the New York Yankees but not Major League Baseball" |
That is a perfectly fair statement. At least people care enough to make a distinction in what they are protesting. Perhaps they think they are fighting for the troops safety in a war that they don't think it is necessary to put our troops in harms way for. |
Yes, but the troops don't usually see that.
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Jeremy
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I thin they would, remember they are just like you and me, and can think that people are protesting against the reasons for going to war rather than just against solidiers and the war. I think it would trouble them if they believed the war was wrong though, and that they were not fighting for a right cause and Just war.
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | But also, it would be evil for the kid not to kill himself. |
Does that actually say what I think it says?
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Republican_Man
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| Mon Aug 02, 2004 12:26 pm |
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| Jeremy wrote: | | I thin they would, remember they are just like you and me, and can think that people are protesting against the reasons for going to war rather than just against solidiers and the war. I think it would trouble them if they believed the war was wrong though, and that they were not fighting for a right cause and Just war. |
Well, I've seen MANY a interview with troops and their moral is lower because of this. As I keep saying above, about the man that I know who was a counter-protester when a group from the Military returned. The counter-protesters were talking to some troops, and then the protesters said, "We support our troops, but..." and the troops turned back around and continued talking with the counter-protesters.
| Kyre wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | But also, it would be evil for the kid not to kill himself. |
Does that actually say what I think it says? |
Sorry, I didn't word that correctly.
If someone who knew that Hitler was evil and what he was doing, he should have done ANYTHING to prevent himself from joining his army and helping evil.
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Angeldust
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| Mon Aug 02, 2004 4:57 pm |
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| Quote: | Angeldust wrote:
I must say that I was incredibly pleased when the voters and protesters made it clear that they were not protesting the soldiers, but the war. That really gave me a warm and fuzzy... I'm glad that people are making that distinction this time around... I was afraid at first that this would be another Vietnam scenario, you know? With the voters blaming the soldiers for the war? That would've been awful...
As the Seven would say, "Your logic is flawed!"
To support the troops and not the war is like saying, "I support the New York Yankees but not Major League Baseball"
That is a perfectly fair statement. At least people care enough to make a distinction in what they are protesting. Perhaps they think they are fighting for the troops safety in a war that they don't think it is necessary to put our troops in harms way for.
Yes, but the troops don't usually see that. |
I don't understand.... who have you been talking to??? All the troops I know and knew in an ENTIRE DIVISION, for those of y'all that don't know thats alot of people, knew that the public supported them, even if they didn't support the war...
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Republican_Man
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| Mon Aug 02, 2004 4:59 pm |
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| Angeldust wrote: | | Quote: | Angeldust wrote:
I must say that I was incredibly pleased when the voters and protesters made it clear that they were not protesting the soldiers, but the war. That really gave me a warm and fuzzy... I'm glad that people are making that distinction this time around... I was afraid at first that this would be another Vietnam scenario, you know? With the voters blaming the soldiers for the war? That would've been awful...
As the Seven would say, "Your logic is flawed!"
To support the troops and not the war is like saying, "I support the New York Yankees but not Major League Baseball"
That is a perfectly fair statement. At least people care enough to make a distinction in what they are protesting. Perhaps they think they are fighting for the troops safety in a war that they don't think it is necessary to put our troops in harms way for.
Yes, but the troops don't usually see that. |
I don't understand.... who have you been talking to??? All the troops I know and knew in an ENTIRE DIVISION, for those of y'all that don't know thats alot of people, knew that the public supported them, even if they didn't support the war... |
Well, I've been seeing interviews with troops, and a close "associate" told me about the protestor story--he was there. Maybe your division can see it, but many troops do not.
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Angeldust
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| Mon Aug 02, 2004 5:00 pm |
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I will concede your point, since you conceded mine. Don't you love quid pro quo??? Fun, fun.
What else?
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Jeremy
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| Tue Aug 03, 2004 5:16 am |
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Well, obviously some are affected and others are not. Also they might say something one way or the other depending on their polictical stance to help the person they want for president.
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