Abortions

Defiant · **Thu Jul 29, 2004 11:48 pm**

It is the choice of the woman. I do not consider the fetus alive until it is in the third trimester. Before that, it is the choice of the woman.

LightningBoy · **Thu Jul 29, 2004 11:53 pm**

OK then, hypothetical situation:

A doctor is performing a surgery on a pregnant woman (1st trimester) who wants to have the baby. He irresponsibly makes some sort of incompetant mistake, causing the baby to die. Should he be charged with manslaughter?

Legally, he can be. According to the law how it is, that baby is alive; in that sence. Why isn't it alive in your definition?

It all comes down to this:
Does that baby have a soul?
If you say yes, you see it as murder. If you say no, you don't.

Either way, end result, there's a human being who never got to choose.

Republican_Man · **Thu Jul 29, 2004 11:58 pm**

Leo Wyatt · **Fri Jul 30, 2004 4:53 am**

Women do not have the right to take another life. Not even if rape cases. Nor life or death except if baby do not have no brain then the doctors could simply take the baby. But other than that, no woman has a right to take a life. Adoptions are always available. Heck give them to me. I love kids.

Oliver · **Fri Jul 30, 2004 9:50 am**

It's always wierd that men hardly are considered in matters like this. I know, men can't have children but it's their child too!

A baby is half from the mother and half from the father. So in theory, bot parents should have equal rights (and equal obligations) about what happens to the child. I know that in some cases this wouls be very difficult to put into action but that's how it should be.

So I disagree that it's only the mother's choice.

Leo Wyatt · **Fri Jul 30, 2004 9:52 am**

Nope. No woman has a right to kill.

Jeff Miller · **Fri Jul 30, 2004 12:42 pm**

I know I'll get hell for this but I think mothers have the right to have abortions its their body no one elses I know that if me and josi had a baby and I didn't want it nor did she, she should have the right to have a abortion. In simple words I think its a persons right to have a abortion.

Leo Wyatt · **Fri Jul 30, 2004 12:48 pm**

So you saying its ok to murder an innocent baby? Do I need to explain the procedure over again well charlie will, but seems not to work. But yeah let women keep on killing innocent babies, they have to meet their maker one day and they will be judge unless they repent of their sin.
As I said, no woman has a right to kill. If the baby has no brain fine, cause baby already dead. But to kill cause they dont want the baby and common sense would say give baby up cause there are plenty of familes that want a baby desperately that can not have a child.

Defiant · **Fri Jul 30, 2004 12:50 pm**

I, reluctantly, agree with Jeff. But for the republicans, here is a point:

What is the baby born to the mother, is going to die anyways? I mean, what if she cant afford food or medicine? What if she has no possible way of having the baby, period? Then the baby is to die one way or the other. Circumstances can be right, to make abortion the best option.

And I dont care about whether or not it has a soul. That doesnt matter.

Jeff Miller · **Fri Jul 30, 2004 12:53 pm**

Imo there is no innocent thing in this world. What I don't see is that people say its murder. Theres people on Death Row that is going to die but no one ever fights for them.

Leo Wyatt · **Fri Jul 30, 2004 12:54 pm**

I am going to say something that I may get banned for but I am going to say it anyway.

Everyone has an opinions, opinions are like buttholes but most of them stink. Get mad, hate me do whatever. THere are assistance for the woman who can not afford medicine and medical care. Ever heard of medicaid and there are other resourse if they open their eyes.
No, woman do not have the right to kill.

Jeff Miller · **Fri Jul 30, 2004 12:57 pm**

I'm not mad we all have our opinions you have yours I have mine. not saying whos right and whos not.

Defiant · **Fri Jul 30, 2004 1:00 pm**

^ Yep.

I have medicare. IT SUCKS. We have to pay a copay for everything, they always cut off our money, and welfare is worthless. We get like $200 a month for 4 people to eat off of.

LightningBoy · **Fri Jul 30, 2004 1:04 pm**

IT'S NOT THE WOMAN'S BODY THAT SHE'S MAKING A CHOICE ABOUT. Therefore: she can't do with it as she pleases.

Oliver · **Fri Jul 30, 2004 1:05 pm**

It's no use getting upset over this. Everyone has an opinion and each opinion as worth as much as the other.

It's clear that kmma thinks that abortion is totally out of the question no matter what and that's fine. Jeff and Defiant think that it should be allowed and that too is fine.

I think it all comes down to how you see abortion. Is is like killing a human being. If so, then abortion is the wrong thing to do. If not, then it should be allowed under certain very specific and well thought out cases.

Again, it's no use to get upset.

LightningBoy · **Fri Jul 30, 2004 1:06 pm**

Defiant · **Fri Jul 30, 2004 1:07 pm**

What if the mother is mentally ill? What if she will be endangering the child? What about that?

LightningBoy · **Fri Jul 30, 2004 1:12 pm**

Defiant · **Fri Jul 30, 2004 1:16 pm**

Do you not know anything? When a child is born to an alcoholic mother, it is messed up for life! End of story! That is the same for drug user and mentally ill mothers!

Leo Wyatt · **Fri Jul 30, 2004 1:42 pm**

What ever! Like I said above. Iwill not say it again.

Leo Wyatt · **Fri Jul 30, 2004 2:18 pm**

Imagine a cop coming to suck your limbs off cause you did something wrong limbs after limbs. Til all is gone. Do you know the procedure of abortions?

THey take this tube which sucks each part of the baby. Then afterwards the last the head. So imagine you are a living being and someone came and sucked you out.

Defiant · **Fri Jul 30, 2004 2:19 pm**

The baby is not alive. It feels no pain. It doesnt know whats going on. There is nothing wrong with aborting it, if the need is there.

Leo Wyatt · **Fri Jul 30, 2004 2:22 pm**

You do not know that. How would you know, are you that baby?

Defiant · **Fri Jul 30, 2004 2:24 pm**

Its been scientifically proven.

Plus, dont you hear those stories of mothers not knowing what to do, so they put their babies in dumpsters or drowning them on birth?