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Republican_Man
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| Jadzia Lenara Dax wrote: | Bush has had four years in office to implement things. Four years is a long time.
But I do have to agree with you there--regardless of who gets elects, I think it's extremely important that the problems get fixed. I was listening to Edwards' convention speech, and I think he made a lot of good points. We need a public education system that doesn't separate between wealth--everyone should have the opportunity to get the education they deserve. |
One sentence: We do NOT have 2 Americas.
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Jadzia Lenara Dax
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| Wed Jul 28, 2004 10:17 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Jadzia Lenara Dax wrote: | | Before this gets any further, let me remind everyone posting that World News is supposed to be a place where people can discuss what's going on in the world, not a place where users can declare open season on each other. State your opinion without insulting the other person. You're all intelligent users, I'm sure you can ways to state your points without resorting to name calling. |
I am sorry, but do you see what he's been saying? These are statements that I can't help, because I believe that they are true! |
Republican_Man, I do see what he's saying. And it's not your statements I'm telling you to stop, it's the "thick skull comments" and the "all libs" comments. Your arguements are well-structured, and I certainly do not want them to stop--but the name calling does need to be avoided. Understood?
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Puck
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How do they plan on doing any of this though?? That is what I want to know. They have all these plans "Universal health-care....equal schooling..."
How do they plan on implementing things. I don't like Bush's record defecit....Kerry doesn't sound like he is going to help it with these programs.
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Jadzia Lenara Dax
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| Wed Jul 28, 2004 10:19 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Jadzia Lenara Dax wrote: | Bush has had four years in office to implement things. Four years is a long time.
But I do have to agree with you there--regardless of who gets elects, I think it's extremely important that the problems get fixed. I was listening to Edwards' convention speech, and I think he made a lot of good points. We need a public education system that doesn't separate between wealth--everyone should have the opportunity to get the education they deserve. |
One sentence: We do NOT have 2 Americas. |
How do we not have 2 americas? There are people building million dollar houses, and then you have people like the woman I went to help last week, who is living in a trailer with raw sewage underneath it because she is so poor she can't afford anything better. Go visit the poorer parts of the United States, and then go visit Beverly Hills, and then tell me we don't have two Americas.
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| Wed Jul 28, 2004 10:24 pm |
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America will always have the poor and the rich. There will ALWAYS be poor....some of the time it is there fault, other times, they are hard-working people who just can't make it. But there is also a middle class, and oppurtunity. Everyone has the oppurtinity to get as far as they want. You may have to work your ass off to get there, but it is possible.
I do not mean to make any unbased accusations, however, it appears to me that you are getting at the point that we need to move towards socialism. That is not America. Socialism in the end creates a stagnant society. Captialism Is America.
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Jadzia Lenara Dax
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| Wed Jul 28, 2004 10:28 pm |
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It's true that we're always going to have the wealthy and the poor, but we should not be having people live in such decrepit conditions. You can have a difference in economic status without having homeless people, Kevin. I'm not saying that everyone needs to be the same--but we need to do something about the conditions people are living in.
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That's true, President Bush does at least appear to be so concentrated on the war on terror that whether or not it is true....to be honest I don't know...but it does not appear he is very active fighting these kind of problems on the homefront.
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Jadzia Lenara Dax
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| Wed Jul 28, 2004 10:43 pm |
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That's what worries me. I haven't seen much evidence of Bush doing anything to help the problems that are so common in America--there has been no widespread publicity to social issue programs. Honestly, I'd love to see a President who would take the iniative to start a few programs like Johnson did with the "Great Society"--I believe that's what it was called. Hopefully a bit more effective than the Great Society, but you get the idea.
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| Wed Jul 28, 2004 10:51 pm |
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| Quote: | Major Great Society Programs:
War on Poverty: forty programs that were intended to eliminate poverty by improving living conditions and enabling people to lift themselves out of the cycle of poverty.
Education: sixty separate bills that provided for new and better-equipped classrooms, minority scholarships, and low-interest student loans.
Medicare & Medicaid: guaranteed health care to every American over sixty-five.
The Environment: introduced measures to reclaim our heritage of clean air and water.
National Endowment for the Arts and the Humanities: created with the philosophy that artists, performers, and writers were a priceless part of our heritage and deserve support.
Job Corps: provided enabling skills for young men and women.
Head Start: program for four- and five-year-old children from disadvantaged families that gave them a chance to start school on an even basis with other youngsters.
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They sound like interesting ideas. Some of them I may or may not agree with depending on how they were to be enacted. As for the National Endowment for the Arts and the Humanities...that seems like a waste. Lets remember though that all of this costs money. I want to know exactly where he plans to pull the money for this from.
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Jadzia Lenara Dax
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Gah, I studied this two years ago in school, and I honestly can't remember where Johnson came up with the money. However, I think Johnson had a lot of good ideas--he was focused on actually improving America. Also, I believe Roosevelt did something similiar, with rebuilding parks and some other stuff.
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We do have 2 americas. Liberal america, and conservative america, based on who has control of senate, congree, and the presidency.
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Jul 29, 2004 12:25 pm |
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | How do they plan on doing any of this though?? That is what I want to know. They have all these plans "Universal health-care....equal schooling..."
How do they plan on implementing things. I don't like Bush's record defecit....Kerry doesn't sound like he is going to help it with these programs. |
He plans on Making us a socialist country, then, becasue that's where that stuff comes from.
Oh, and it's the REPUBLICANS that support the voucher program, so equal school may very well be what Kerry is against. Plus he wants to place Girls and Boys in separate classrooms--or is it schools? Even at a young age.
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | America will always have the poor and the rich. There will ALWAYS be poor....some of the time it is there fault, other times, they are hard-working people who just can't make it. But there is also a middle class, and oppurtunity. Everyone has the oppurtinity to get as far as they want. You may have to work your ass off to get there, but it is possible.
I do not mean to make any unbased accusations, however, it appears to me that you are getting at the point that we need to move towards socialism. That is not America. Socialism in the end creates a stagnant society. Captialism Is America. |
Good way to put it, Janeway.
| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | That's true, President Bush does at least appear to be so concentrated on the war on terror that whether or not it is true....to be honest I don't know...but it does not appear he is very active fighting these kind of problems on the homefront. |
Yes. He's focused on the most important issue of our day right now--terrorism.
| Defiant wrote: | | We do have 2 americas. Liberal america, and conservative america, based on who has control of senate, congree, and the presidency. |
That IS an interesting point, but I don't believe it's Liberal and Conservative America, if anything, but it's not 2 Americas in the sense that Edwards portrays it.
And the Senate is PART of Congress--it's one of the two houses.
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JADZIA! You get mad at us for "stereotyping" and stuff, and yet you do not get mad at Defiant for that Bush-game thing. Goes to show how biased YOU are. So that's it, huh? You agree with him so you attack us, huh?
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1 warning for questionable content. It was disgusting and degrading on so many levels.
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1 warning for questionable content. It was disgusting and degrading on so many levels.
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Thank you, but I'm just wondering: Would Jadzia do it? I'll wait for her reponse. Aside from that, let's continue on with this discussion.
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Hindsite is a wonderful thing. We can all blame Clinton now that we have seen what has happened. The same with Bush. Yes, Bin Laden could have been caught, but he wasn't. Why? Because he wasn't considered a threat at that time. I don't remember any protest about it back then. Now we know what he has done we say "why wasn't he arrested?". The simple fact he wasn't a treat. At the time when America and Britian helped him it was a totally different world situation, but they still get blamed for it.
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| Fri Jul 30, 2004 10:41 pm |
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| Jeremy wrote: | | Hindsite is a wonderful thing. We can all blame Clinton now that we have seen what has happened. The same with Bush. Yes, Bin Laden could have been caught, but he wasn't. Why? Because he wasn't considered a threat at that time. I don't remember any protest about it back then. Now we know what he has done we say "why wasn't he arrested?". The simple fact he wasn't a treat. At the time when America and Britian helped him it was a totally different world situation, but they still get blamed for it. |
Alright, my response:
It's NOT all Clinton's fault for 9/11 actually happening, but he could have stopped it in a large way. He KNEW that Osama was plotting against us, and in 1998 got a memo that actually SPOKE of Al Quada wanting to hijack planes and such. If that doesn't show that there was a threat, than what did?
Oh, well the African Embassy Bombings did. Al Quada attacked our embassy in Africa. Remember that? And well of COURSE Osama's NOT a TREAT! He's an evil menace!  No, well, he WAS a threat, and he SHOULD have taken him.
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