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 Wed Jul 28, 2004 3:44 pm Bin Laden Kin Cites 'Inaccuracies' in 'Fahrenheit' |
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Bin Laden Kin Cites 'Inaccuracies' in 'Fahrenheit'
Wednesday, July 28, 2004
PARIS � A half-brother of Usama bin Laden (search) says he enjoyed most of Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11," (search) except for what he called "inaccuracies" about his family.
"It's a moving film," Yeslam Binladin, a Geneva-based tycoon and one of the al-Qaeda leader's 54 siblings, said in an interview with the French magazine VSD.
"I even laughed at times," said Binladin, adding, "but a lot less when he states errors or inaccuracies about my family, knowing perfectly well that he's deceiving the public."
In the film, Moore says President Bush tried to cover up his family's longtime business and personal ties to the family of Usama bin Laden and other prominent Saudis (search) because many of the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia.
One of his main points is that the U.S. administration helped 142 Saudis � including two dozen members of bin Laden's family � fly out of the United States two days after the Sept. 11 attacks, even though commercial air space was closed.
"That's false and can be verified by anyone," said the Saudi-born Binladin, who intentionally spells his name differently from Usama, the prime suspect in the Sept. 11 attacks. "They benefited from no exceptional authorization to leave American territory."
A recent 9/11 panel report states that the chartered flights took place starting Sept. 14, once airspace had reopened.
Binladin, who has lived in Geneva for many years and has Swiss citizenship, told the magazine that his U.S.-based family members flew into Geneva on Sept. 20 before taking off again for Saudi Arabia.
The movie also states that several family members attended a 2001 wedding of one of Usama bin Laden's sons in Afghanistan � a claim Binladin says is exaggerated.
"Nobody from my family was at this wedding in Afghanistan except for the mother of Usama," said Binladin. Yeslam and Usama are among the 54 sons and daughters of the late Saudi construction magnate Mohammed bin Laden (search) and his 22 wives.
Binladin, the founder of Geneva-based financial company Sico, said the last time he saw his younger half-brother was before Osama left Saudi Arabia in 1981.
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Republican_Man
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| Wed Jul 28, 2004 3:52 pm |
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Even a RELATIVE of Bin Laden says that Farenheit has false stuff in it!
You're response, Liberals who believe that it's all truth?
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| Wed Jul 28, 2004 4:14 pm |
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Republican_Man are you telling me there were people who believed what was in that propaga....I mean movie. 
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| Wed Jul 28, 2004 4:20 pm |
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| Founder wrote: | | Republican_Man are you telling me there were people who believed what was in that propaga....I mean movie. |
Oh yes! I'm sure that Defiant does, and also someone on another site that I'm on does, and MANY OTHER LIBERALS do.
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| Wed Jul 28, 2004 4:46 pm |
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Hmm...*runs away*
I really dont know what to say. Looks like you got me. But honestly, I still believe the entire movie is true, he sites where his facts came from. One or two inaccururacies, isnt much. The basis of the movie still holds true.
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| Wed Jul 28, 2004 5:10 pm |
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| Defiant wrote: | Hmm...*runs away*
I really dont know what to say. Looks like you got me. But honestly, I still believe the entire movie is true, he sites where his facts came from. One or two inaccururacies, isnt much. The basis of the movie still holds true. |
So then the 9/11 Commission was FALSE? IT proved Moore's movie to be wrong, for crying out loud! Mabye there are one or two ACCURACIES, but not INaccuracies. Virtually the hole thing was made without truths.
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| Wed Jul 28, 2004 6:53 pm |
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Yes, a comission that was approved and selected by Bush? A comission where they can lie, and say its the truth, in order to not make Bush look bad?
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| Wed Jul 28, 2004 6:57 pm |
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I have heard that the commission report is very very fair and balanced. Both parties appear to like it. I am planning on buying it off Amazon. It is only $8.  
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| Wed Jul 28, 2004 7:01 pm |
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I seriously doubt that the comission would have the guts to bring out the truth to the american people. Alot of people couldnt take it. Besides, they wouldnt want to bash an american president, no matter who unqualified, stupid, and lazy he is.
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They did have access to all kinds of stuff though. Documents, confidential stuff...everything. Although I think it is kind of more recommendations on fixing things than blaming anyone. Either way, both parties seem to have adopted it. I am gonna give it a try since it did appear to not just be a bunch of BS.
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| Wed Jul 28, 2004 7:04 pm |
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | I have heard that the commission report is very very fair and balanced. Both parties appear to like it. I am planning on buying it off Amazon. It is only $8. |
Why bother? You can download it for free.
http://www.9-11commission.gov/
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| Wed Jul 28, 2004 7:05 pm |
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download the whole 7.8 meg thing? Its over 500 pages....if I am gonna read it, I want the book. 
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| Wed Jul 28, 2004 7:06 pm |
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Woo hoo! Free propaganda!
911 Comission: "Hmm...dont want to make Bush look bad...lets blame...CLINTON!"
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| Wed Jul 28, 2004 7:08 pm |
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Well we could since after all he rejected Sudan's offer to have them hand binLaden over to us......
Really though, this report focuses more on what to fix, than placing blame.
I just realised that you find Michael Moore completly lagit, but are calling the 9/11 commissions report propaganda. Well that was good for a laugh at least.
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| Wed Jul 28, 2004 7:39 pm |
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| Defiant wrote: | | Yes, a comission that was approved and selected by Bush? A comission where they can lie, and say its the truth, in order to not make Bush look bad? |
Oh my God, this again. It was a BI-PARTISAN COMMISSION, and did you happen to WATCH any of the testimony? Well, I DID. And guess what--they were tough on BOTH sides. ESPECIALLY to the Bush Administration. Plus, they did NOT lie. I disagree with some of there things, and would a lot of those members try NOT to make Bush look bad? Well, NO. Stop this PROPAGANDA. You just can't take the fact that it's the truth.
| Defiant wrote: | | I seriously doubt that the comission would have the guts to bring out the truth to the american people. Alot of people couldnt take it. Besides, they wouldnt want to bash an american president, no matter who unqualified, stupid, and lazy he is. |
That is a bunch of propaganda and balony. They TOLD US THE TRUTH. THEY DID. If anything, it was biased towards the left. And their goal was to get DOWN to the truth, no matter how horrific. Ay!
| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | They did have access to all kinds of stuff though. Documents, confidential stuff...everything. Although I think it is kind of more recommendations on fixing things than blaming anyone. Either way, both parties seem to have adopted it. I am gonna give it a try since it did appear to not just be a bunch of BS. |
Yes, BOTH parties have endorsed it. And yes, it does have more recommendations on fixing things than blaming anyone. I don't agree with everything there, but they got down to the truth.
| Defiant wrote: | Woo hoo! Free propaganda!
911 Comission: "Hmm...dont want to make Bush look bad...lets blame...CLINTON!" |
It is NOT propaganda! God! And also, they blamed NO PRESIDENT, EVEN CLINTON, even though they should have.
| JanewayIsHott wrote: | Well we could since after all he rejected Sudan's offer to have them hand binLaden over to us......
Really though, this report focuses more on what to fix, than placing blame.
I just realised that you find Michael Moore completly lagit, but are calling the 9/11 commissions report propaganda. Well that was good for a laugh at least. |
Exactly, and it blamed NO ONE. NOT EVEN CLINTON, even though for the reason Janeway just stated, he is the prime person to be blamed--he had more opportunities and got more chances. But let's not blame people. It was AL QUADA who is at fault, not a President. Yeah, I agree with that last thing. It's gotta be a laugh.
But then again, he thinks that the 9/11 Commission, which debunked the Michael Moore movie, is Propaganda, so...
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They did blame Clinton. I heard them doing it. In fact, ive heard YOU doing it too! People say that Clinton cut the budget for terrorism so much, that we couldnt do anything about 9/11.
The real reason? On 9/10/01, Bush approved cuts to the anti-terrorism funds. He was even supposed to meet with his head of anti-terrorism, but he would rather go to his ranch. And he was given a report in August, titled "Bin Laden determined to attack within the US." Oops!
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| Wed Jul 28, 2004 9:32 pm |
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Lets look at some other facts though too:
-Clinton had the chance to catch Usama binLaden at least 3 times. He didn't.
-The Sudanese government OFFERED Usama binLaden to President Clinton, he rejected.
| Quote: | | "In February of 1996 the Sudanese had come to the conclusion that their Islamic experiment had gone bad, essentially, that the fanatics had gotten out of control. Bin Laden was part of that problem. They offered Saudi Arabia an extradition treaty -- extradition of Bin Laden. The Saudis turned it down. They came to the United States and said, 'Do you want him?' And [the Clinton Gore administration] said: 'No, we don't have a case. We can't do it now.' " |
-Mansoor Ijaz A Muslim, a Democrat, and the person who opened unofficial backchannels between Clinton-Gore, and Sudan's government between 1996-2000
They KEPT turning Sudan down in Feb 96, Aug 96, April 97, Feb 98, July 2000.
-Clinton and Gore undermined the CIA by instituting several reforms in the intelligence department. The Torricelli acts. This meant that the CIA was forced to take 1/3 of its informants off the lists.
These are just a few of the facts that back the statement that Clinton-Gore played a MAJOR role in allowing Usama to run free, and to limit intelligence info. All of this allowing 9/11.
Don't tell me you can still say that the real reason for 9/11 is a budget cut Bush signed on September 10th.
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| Defiant wrote: | They did blame Clinton. I heard them doing it. In fact, ive heard YOU doing it too! People say that Clinton cut the budget for terrorism so much, that we couldnt do anything about 9/11.
The real reason? On 9/10/01, Bush approved cuts to the anti-terrorism funds. He was even supposed to meet with his head of anti-terrorism, but he would rather go to his ranch. And he was given a report in August, titled "Bin Laden determined to attack within the US." Oops! |
That is a lie! They did not BLAME Clinton.
And I did do it with good reason, but the COMMISSION DID NOT. And Clinton did cut the budget, and he COULD have stopped 9/11. He had many chances...Stnd by for that, though.
Give me PROOF on Bush's cuts. I haven't seen any of that. And WHAT PROOF do you have that he went to his ranch. Plus, in that PDB (Presidential Daily Brief) it gave HARDLY ANY INFO, while Clinton got a notice in 1998 about Al Quada planning to Hijack planes and he did NOTHING!
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Actually, it's a pretty common Republican party line that "maybe there was a problem long before Bush ever came into office." I actually heard it uttered this week, in an arguement over Kerry vs. Bush.
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| Wed Jul 28, 2004 9:55 pm |
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Look, maybe both sides are partially to blame. Hopefully we can all agree on that. Clinton had eight years to deal with Bin Laden, Bush had eight months. However, I do not see what the point is in arguing about it now. It happened, NO ONE, Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, NO ONE likes that it happened. There are plenty of people who should shoulder some of the blame, two of them being Clinton and Gore. Either way, it doesn't matter anymore. What matters is that Bush, or if elected, Kerry, fix the problems that need to be fixed.
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| Wed Jul 28, 2004 9:56 pm |
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | Lets look at some other facts though too:
-Clinton had the chance to catch Usama binLaden at least 3 times. He didn't.
-The Sudanese government OFFERED Usama binLaden to President Clinton, he rejected.
EXACTLY!!!! What say you to that?
| Quote: | | "In February of 1996 the Sudanese had come to the conclusion that their Islamic experiment had gone bad, essentially, that the fanatics had gotten out of control. Bin Laden was part of that problem. They offered Saudi Arabia an extradition treaty -- extradition of Bin Laden. The Saudis turned it down. They came to the United States and said, 'Do you want him?' And [the Clinton Gore administration] said: 'No, we don't have a case. We can't do it now.' " |
-Mansoor Ijaz A Muslim, a Democrat, and the person who opened unofficial backchannels between Clinton-Gore, and Sudan's government between 1996-2000
That is a LOWSY EXCUSE! They KNEW that he was planning to attack us, damn it!
They KEPT turning Sudan down in Feb 96, Aug 96, April 97, Feb 98, July 2000.
[b]HORRIBLE! And you're saying that it's NOT Clinton's fault that it happened, at least in what America could do (because it's obviously Al Quada that's really at fault) and yet THIS HAPPENED?
-Clinton and Gore undermined the CIA by instituting several reforms in the intelligence department. The Torricelli acts. This meant that the CIA was forced to take 1/3 of its informants off the lists.[/b]
GOOD FACTS!
These are just a few of the facts that back the statement that Clinton-Gore played a MAJOR role in allowing Usama to run free, and to limit intelligence info. All of this allowing 9/11.
Don't tell me you can still say that the real reason for 9/11 is a budget cut Bush signed on September 10th. |
Exactly!!! You said it great! You are right, but of course Defiant won't get that through his thick scull!
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Before this gets any further, let me remind everyone posting that World News is supposed to be a place where people can discuss what's going on in the world, not a place where users can declare open season on each other. State your opinion without insulting the other person. You're all intelligent users, I'm sure you can ways to state your points without resorting to name calling.
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| Wed Jul 28, 2004 10:08 pm |
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| Jadzia Lenara Dax wrote: | | Actually, it's a pretty common Republican party line that "maybe there was a problem long before Bush ever came into office." I actually heard it uttered this week, in an arguement over Kerry vs. Bush. |
Well, it is TRUE THAT THERE WAS A PROBLEM.
| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | Look, maybe both sides are partially to blame. Hopefully we can all agree on that. Clinton had eight years to deal with Bin Laden, Bush had eight months. However, I do not see what the point is in arguing about it now. It happened, NO ONE, Clinton, Gore, Bush, Cheney, NO ONE likes that it happened. There are plenty of people who should shoulder some of the blame, two of them being Clinton and Gore. Either way, it doesn't matter anymore. What matters is that Bush, or if elected, Kerry, fix the problems that need to be fixed. |
Clinton: 8 years and MANY missed chances
Bush: 8 months, little time to implement things
I do agree that BOTH Presidents are partially to blame, but mostly Clinton, for not preventing it from happening.
Yes, no one of us is happpy that that happened, but yes, it is important that we put the past behind us and fix our problems.
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| Jadzia Lenara Dax wrote: | | Before this gets any further, let me remind everyone posting that World News is supposed to be a place where people can discuss what's going on in the world, not a place where users can declare open season on each other. State your opinion without insulting the other person. You're all intelligent users, I'm sure you can ways to state your points without resorting to name calling. |
I am sorry, but do you see what he's been saying? These are statements that I can't help, because I believe that they are true!
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Bush has had four years in office to implement things. Four years is a long time.
But I do have to agree with you there--regardless of who gets elects, I think it's extremely important that the problems get fixed. I was listening to Edwards' convention speech, and I think he made a lot of good points. We need a public education system that doesn't separate between wealth--everyone should have the opportunity to get the education they deserve.
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