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Republican_Man
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 Wed Jul 28, 2004 5:49 pm |
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | Well I apologize if my beleifs harm troop morale. Don't expect me, too change it though. I have my reasons, and people are allowed to have their own beleifs. I don't see how it can harm troop morale though when I still have hang the American flag everyday,( not now though because it is raining) and have an American flag decal on our car. I don't see how me sending over some of my stuff to Iraqi soldiers can harm their morale. I am sorry if I can not fully support the decsision to go into Iraq. However, in my actions, and in this one thread alone, I have shown a great deal of support towards them. And I am not bashing President Bush. Look at my avatar or signature. I still support him, I still have a yard sign saying "Bush Cheney 04" in our yard, which I bought with my own money. But if that does not help yall at all, I am sorry that I cannot please you by agreeing with your opinions. |
First off, I may very well expect you to change your view on the Iraq War again. I just don't know.
2nd, I have been saying that you support Bush, just not one of the main things to do with his campaign.
3rd, Protesting the war constantly DOES hurt troop moral. Now, I don't know if you've been protesting, but seeing the protests on TV really gets to them. I've heard 1st hand accounts from soldiers in the battlefield about how it really gets to them, as well as Veterans that were adding to the discussions at the Republican Breakfast this morning AND the Iraqi police trainer. The Veterans very well know what kind of an impact protests have on moral, and opposition to the war and bad things going on is pretty much all that they see. And I know that you are a patriotic American, but still...
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Puck
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| Wed Jul 28, 2004 5:50 pm |
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You can stick to yours and I can stick to mine. I do not see what the real problem is. I am not mad, bashing, flaming, or accusing anyone of lying, or anything else.
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Leo Wyatt
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| Wed Jul 28, 2004 5:51 pm |
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I am not mad either. THis is getting alittle heated don't you think. I am giving it rest for a while not worth losing a friend over.
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Republican_Man
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| Wed Jul 28, 2004 6:01 pm |
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | You can stick to yours and I can stick to mine. I do not see what the real problem is. I am not mad, bashing, flaming, or accusing anyone of lying, or anything else. |
1st, let me make it clear that I do NOT want to lose my friendship with you, Janeway.
2nd, tell that to the troops in Iraq. Of course, the President-bashing hurts them more, but when people protest the war a year later when our troops are in combat, THAT'S what hurts them.
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Leo Wyatt
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| Wed Jul 28, 2004 6:10 pm |
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I agree with RM, people does not see it hurts the troops people over here bashing the war and they risking their lives. I better shut up for the moment before I spam even worse. I don't want to lose a friendship. Only you could see how they felt no I am not sterotype whateve it means.
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Republican_Man
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| Wed Jul 28, 2004 6:21 pm |
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| kmma wrote: | | I agree with RM, people does not see it hurts the troops people over here bashing the war and they risking their lives. I better shut up for the moment before I spam even worse. I don't want to lose a friendship. Only you could see how they felt no I am not sterotype whateve it means. |
He was not saying that YOU are a stereotype.
A stereotype is a generalization about a certain group of people that may not apply to all members of the group. Stereotypes can be positive or negative.
i.e: Conservatives ALWAYS tell the truth.
That's a stereotype in a good or bad way, depending on your side. (Good way in my opinion) but is not necessarily true because some Conservatives, although I hate to admit it, do lie or at least spin the truth.
However, it is my belief that it is not so much stereotypical that Liberals, well, are/do what you and I have been saying.
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Leo Wyatt
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| Wed Jul 28, 2004 6:23 pm |
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I didnt mean he called a sterotype duh on me. I saw it another post cause I didnt want to sterotype anyone.
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Republican_Man
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| Wed Jul 28, 2004 6:30 pm |
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| kmma wrote: | | I didnt mean he called a sterotype duh on me. I saw it another post cause I didnt want to sterotype anyone. |
It's my opinion that you have stereotyped no one, and neither have I, pertaining to Libs, of course. 
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Seven of Nine
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| Thu Jul 29, 2004 7:18 am |
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my problem with Bush is that he claims to be a Christian, yet encourages murder. I thought that was against one of the Ten Commandmants.
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Leo Wyatt
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| Thu Jul 29, 2004 7:29 am |
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Matthhew 7:1-9
Thou shalt not judge. You do not know what is inside his heart.
he did not encourage murder, he is stopping the evil.
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Jul 29, 2004 12:06 pm |
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| Seven of Nine wrote: | | my problem with Bush is that he claims to be a Christian, yet encourages murder. I thought that was against one of the Ten Commandmants. |
Come on, Seven? You too?
He is a VERY devoted Christian, and is one of the United States' MOST RELIGIOUS Presidents. You can see it through how much the ACLU hates him.
But encourage murder!!!??? With all due respect, that's a hell of a thing to say!!
So, going to war to protect our country is MURDER now? MURDER?
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Founder
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| Thu Jul 29, 2004 12:09 pm |
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Yeah. I disagree that he is a murderer. If he is a murderer so is half of our other presidents before him.
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Seven of Nine
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| Thu Jul 29, 2004 12:11 pm |
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He supports the death penalty, doesn't he? That's murder in my eyes.
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Jul 29, 2004 12:13 pm |
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| Founder wrote: | | Yeah. I disagree that he is a murderer. If he is a murderer so is half of our other presidents before him. |
If it is murder, then we shouldn't have protected Britain and France and other countries that, oddly enough, basically hate America during World War II.
Murder is going after someone because you hate them or what not.
HITLER was a Murderer.
OSAMA is a Murderer.
STALIN was a Murderer.
SADDAM was a Murderer.
They killed innocent people for their evil ways!
Bush is not doing that!
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Founder
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| Thu Jul 29, 2004 12:14 pm |
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You mean hes a murderer from supporting the death penalty not the war? Ok I understand that. But He isnt killing people because its fun and for no reason. These people did terrible things. Some of them even murder. This is a justice. Yes, it is extreme justice but these people did VERY horrible things.
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Seven of Nine
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| Thu Jul 29, 2004 12:14 pm |
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Britain hated America during WWII? Explain please, that's not what my grandparents and great aunts/uncles have told me!
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Jul 29, 2004 12:18 pm |
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| Seven of Nine wrote: | | He supports the death penalty, doesn't he? That's murder in my eyes. |
Ah, so that's it. His support of the death penalty for murderers and hard-core criminals in itself, eh? So that means that someone who kills 5 people shouldn't die? Well that means that terrorists shouldn't die?
Now, that is an issue where I somewhat disagree with Bush on because I believe that it should happen to terrorists that kill civilians and mass-murderers of themselves, and instead put others in a penitentiary in Alaska where they would only have clothes, a cot, and get bread and water for food--No TVs, no nothing. And they have to work all day. That's more punishment than death.
| Quote: | | You mean hes a murderer from supporting the death penalty not the war? Ok I understand that. But He isnt killing people because its fun and for no reason. These people did terrible things. Some of them even murder. |
That is right. He does NOT kill them because it's fun and no reason.
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Jul 29, 2004 12:19 pm |
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| Seven of Nine wrote: | | Britain hated America during WWII? Explain please, that's not what my grandparents and great aunts/uncles have told me! |
I NEVER said that Britain hated us during WWII. They just hate us now--not so much, sorry, but most of it's people do. Wouldn't you agree, or am I wrong?
If I am wrong, please explain this to me and I'll change my view accordingly.
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I see what you're saying.
| Quote: | | If it is murder, then we shouldn't have protected Britain and France and other countries that, oddly enough, basically hate America during World War II. |
I was stating there that they hate America now--Well, I'll "brake up" the sentence.
If it is murder, then we shouldn't have protected Britain and France and other countries that,| oddly enough, |basically hate America| during World War II.|
I probably should have divided "Hate America" and "during World War II" with a comma.
Sorry.
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Seven of Nine
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| Thu Jul 29, 2004 12:29 pm |
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ah, gotya. And I don't hate America. I disagree with some of its policies, yes, but hate it, no. Most of the people I know don't hate America, they just don't think we should have gone into Iraq. At least not at the time. Sammie says she likes Americans, but can her mammy get off the computer and stop arguing and can she start playing with me.
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Jul 29, 2004 12:32 pm |
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| Seven of Nine wrote: | | ah, gotya. And I don't hate America. I disagree with some of its policies, yes, but hate it, no. Most of the people I know don't hate America, they just don't think we should have gone into Iraq. At least not at the time. Sammie says she likes Americans, but can her mammy get off the computer and stop arguing and can she start playing with me. |
1st, Cute!
2nd, many British people DO hate America--or at least that's how they portray us.
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Seven of Nine
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| Thu Jul 29, 2004 1:07 pm |
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Not that many really. Those who do are stupid, in my opinion. A lot dislike Bush though.
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Jul 29, 2004 1:16 pm |
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| Seven of Nine wrote: | | Not that many really. Those who do are stupid, in my opinion. A lot dislike Bush though. |
That's not how it appears to us Americans.
Soon I may get the book "Hating America: The New World Sport" by John Gibson. In there he'll probably make some good points about that.
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Jeremy
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| Thu Jul 29, 2004 1:16 pm |
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As Danni said we don't hate Americans. A lot of people here were against the war. This may be portrayed in America as us hating Americans but it's not true. People were protesting as much over here about us going off to war. Most people are against Bush Jr. I don't believe the reason that he went to war was because of an unfinished vendetta from his dad, thats too stupid for anyone to do. I think one of the reasons Iraq was picked was because it hasn't developed nukes yet, and Bush truly believed they were trying to, and didn't want a situation like North Korea were nothing can be done because of the nukes. Will saying that I also think that he should have waited longer and seen if the weapon inspectors found anything as they had just been let back in.
((RM, from earlier posts can you not say other people are "flip flopping" etc as it's their view and they are intitled to it just as much as you are. ))
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Jul 29, 2004 1:19 pm |
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| Jeremy wrote: | As Danni said we don't hate Americans. A lot of people here were against the war. This may be portrayed in America as us hating Americans but it's not true. People were protesting as much over here about us going off to war. Most people are against Bush Jr. I don't believe the reason that he went to war was because of an unfinished vendetta from his dad, thats too stupid for anyone to do. I think one of the reasons Iraq was picked was because it hasn't developed nukes yet, and Bush truly believed they were trying to, and didn't want a situation like North Korea were nothing can be done because of the nukes. Will saying that I also think that he should have waited longer and seen if the weapon inspectors found anything as they had just been let back in.
((RM, from earlier posts can you not say other people are "flip flopping" etc as it's their view and they are intitled to it just as much as you are. )) |
Well, I like your views on the Iraq war, then, at least as far as what you see Bush did it ofr.
((Yes, they can change their view, but it's over a year later and it is a WAR that the person supported for that time. Changing it this late IS a flip--flop))
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Jeremy
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| Thu Jul 29, 2004 1:31 pm |
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((It's not really flip-flopping as I'm pretty sure it would need more than one change of mind to flip-flop. He can change his mind if he gets informed of different facts. It probably is a bit late, but if he looks back then he can change his mind. I think he would have thought the same at first if we went back from the information we had then, but now we have more.))
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