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Puck
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 Wed Jul 28, 2004 3:40 pm Car Bomb Kills 68 in Iraq--Day of Violence Claims 115+ Total |
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Car Bomb Kills 68 in Iraq
Wednesday, July 28, 2004
BAQOUBA, Iraq � A homicide car bomb exploded on a busy downtown boulevard in Baqouba (search) on Wednesday, ripping through a commuter bus during morning rush hour, wrecking nearby shops and killing at least 68 Iraqis in one of the deadliest single insurgent attacks since the U.S. invasion.
Dozens of burned bodies were strewn in the street and piled on curbsides, and vehicles, fruit stalls and shops were a bloody tangle of twisted metal from the blast, which targeted Iraqis lined up outside a police recruiting station. Most of the victims were civilians or from among the hundreds of men waiting to join the force.
"These were all innocent Iraqis, there were no Americans," an angry man shouted, pounding his hands against his head in grief, as Iraqis tried to cover the dead with pieces of cardboard in the city, 35 miles northeast of Baghdad (search). Many Iraqis have been infuriated by heavy civilian deaths in attacks by guerrillas who claim to be fighting U.S. domination.
The 10:13 a.m. attack was the deadliest since Americans handed power to an Iraqi government June 28 and came three days ahead of a national conference aimed at creating an interim assembly � widely considered a vital step toward democracy. Iraqi officials have warned attacks could intensify as the country tries to move forward.
Elsewhere, U.S. and other coalition forces were caught in fierce gunbattles with militants in several areas, including a fight with militants thought to have entered from neighboring Iran.
In Suwariyah, southeast of the capital, Iraqi forces backed by U.S. and Ukrainian troops launched a raid hunting for militants who had crossed from the Iranian border, said Polish Maj. Krzysztoz Plazuk, a coalition spokesman. The raid sparked a battle in which 35 guerrillas and seven Iraqi policemen were killed, 10 Iraqi police were wounded and 40 insurgents were captured.
When asked if the guerrillas in the battle were Iranian or Iraqi, Plazuk said he could not comment.
In Anbar province west of Baghdad, insurgents killed two coalition troops and enemy fire forced two U.S. military aircraft to make emergency landings, the military said. A spokesman from U.S. military headquarters in Baghdad, speaking on condition of anonymity, said U.S. Marines clashed with insurgents in several areas of the province.
It was not immediately clear if the two troops died during the aircraft landings. No details were provided on what type of aircraft that made the landings or where the clashes occurred. Earlier, the military said gunmen in Ramadi (search), which is in Anbar province, fired on two U.S. aircraft, damaging both and wounding a pilot. It was not clear whether that was the same incident.
Insurgents launched near simultaneous attacks on several U.S. bases in Ramadi, wounding 10 soldiers, the military said. A guerrilla was killed, and during the fighting a mortar hit an apartment building, killing an Iraqi woman.
Secretary of State Colin Powell condemned the attack in Baqouba during a visit to Cairo, meeting with President Hosni Mubarak on the first stop of a Mideast tour.
"(The bombing) was once again an attempt by murderers to deny the Iraqi people their dream of a peaceful country that rests on a solid foundation of freedom," Powell told reporters. "We have to condemn it, we have to fight it. We must not let these kinds of tragic incidents deter us from our goal."
U.S. forces have been trying to lower their profile and put Iraqi security forces in the front lines as the new government takes a more prominent role.
Two U.S. soldiers were killed in the past 24 hours. One was killed by a roadside bomb Wednesday in the town of Taji (search), about 12 miles north of the capital, the military said. Another American was killed by a bomb that struck his Humvee in Balad-Ruz late Tuesday, about 40 miles northwest of Baghdad, according to army spokesman Master Sgt. Robert Powell. The deaths raised the toll of U.S. military personnel killed in Iraq to at least 906 since the war began, according to an Associated Press tally.
The Baqouba bombing shattered the bustling heart of a commercial district filled with shops, government buildings and the police station. Baqouba was once a center of support for Saddam Hussein and is now a hotbed of insurgents.
Sixty-eight people were killed and 56 others wounded, according to Saad al-Amili, a Health Ministry official. Lt. Gen. Norton Schwartz, director of operations for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said the military's latest figures from the blast were 45 dead and 94 wounded, all Iraqis.
Twenty-one of the dead were passengers on a white commuter bus that was left a charred husk by the blast. Pieces of glass, twisted metal and abandoned shoes, all covered in blood and human remains, were strewn across the pavement, and a shop's white security gate was splattered with blood.
Witnesses said the bomb targeted men waiting outside the al-Najda police station trying to sign up for the force.
"As one of the officers was giving us instructions on how to register we heard a big explosion," said one of the men in line, 33-year-old Sabah Nouri, whose left leg and hand were injured. "Suddenly I found myself being thrown to the ground and I was unable to move."
The blast was one of the deadliest single bomb attacks in Iraq since Saddam's fall more than a year ago. On Aug. 29, a car bomb exploded outside a mosque in the southern Shiite Muslim holy city of Najaf, killing more than 85 people.
This year, militants have carried out a number of devastating attacks using multiple bombers. Coordinated attacks in north and central Iraq � including Baqouba � on June 24 killed 89 people, including three U.S. soldiers. On April 21, five homicide bombings near police stations and police academy in southern city of Basra killed 74 people and wound 160 others. A coordinated attack on Shiite Muslim shrines in Karbala and Baghdad on March 2 killed at least 181.
The large number of civilian casualties in attacks has angered many and even raised questions on Internet forums used by Islamic extremists, where the morality of killing Muslims who work for U.S. coalition forces in Iraq has long been debated.
In an audio recording posted Wednesday on one such site, a speaker purported to be the spiritual adviser of an Iraqi insurgency group justified killing fellow Muslims when they protect infidels or even if they are just bystanders.
"If infidels take Muslims as protectors and Muslims do not fight them, it is allowed to kill the Muslims," said the speaker, identified as Sheik Abu Anas al-Shami, spiritual leader of Tawhid and Jihad, a group led by Al Qaeda (search)-linked Jordanian militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi (search).
The speaker also said that if Muslims who "mingled" among infidels were killed in an attack, that would be justified because killing infidels is paramount. The tape was recorded before the June 28 handover of power.
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Puck
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| Wed Jul 28, 2004 3:45 pm |
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 I am sad to say it, but I really do not think that going into Iraq was the right thing to do. 
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I would like to mention however that I support our troops unconditionally, and that now that we are in Iraq, I am glad that we have the chance to help them rebuild a new democratic Iraq.
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Wednesday, July 28, 2004 Posted: 2:11 PM EDT (1811 GMT)
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Iraqi forces, insurgents, civilians and three U.S. service members lost their lives in violence Wednesday, with at least 68 killed in a Baquba suicide bombing and 42 dead in fighting in south-central Iraq.
Also, an Iraqi was killed in a blast near a Baghdad police station and an enemy combatant died in fighting in Ramadi.
At the same time, several hostages remain under the gun of Iraqi militants, and authorities are working to free them.
Speaking in the Egyptian capital of Cairo, U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell condemned the Baquba attack, which wounded at least 56 others, calling it "an attempt by murderers to deny the Iraqi people their dream." (Full story)
Powell is scheduled to meet with Iraq's interim Prime Minister Ayad Allawi in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, on Thursday.
Police said the bomber drove a Toyota mini-bus into a marketplace near a police station, where would-be recruits were lined up outside, and detonated the explosives.
Among those killed were 21 passengers on a bus driving by.
The Baquba suicide blast was so intense it shattered glass in nearby cafes, ripped facades off buildings and set fire to other vehicles, video from the scene showed.
Meanwhile, three U.S. soldiers died Wednesday in two separate attacks.
Two U.S. service members died of wounds received in fighting in Ramadi, the U.S. military said.
The two were wounded along with eight U.S. service members when U.S. military camps came under fire.
An "enemy combatant" also was killed in the fighting in the Sunni Triangle town, the military said.
In Baghdad, an improvised explosive device killed a U.S. soldier serving with Task Force Baghdad, the Coalition Press Information Center said. Three other soldiers and a civilian were wounded in the attack.
The deaths bring the number of U.S. troop fatalities to 912 in the war in Iraq. Of those, 677 deaths were combat-related and 235 were non-combat incidents, according to the U.S. military.
In other violence Wednesday:
-- Thirty-five suspected insurgents and seven Iraqi forces died in battle In As Suwayra in Wasit province south of Baghdad, according to the Polish-led command. The fighting came during a joint U.S.-Iraqi operation. Forty arrests were made by U.S. and Iraqi forces.
-- An explosion left one Iraqi dead and six others wounded in Baghdad.
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | I am sad to say it, but I really do not think that going into Iraq was the right thing to do.
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I would like to mention however that I support our troops unconditionally, and that now that we are in Iraq, I am glad that we have the chance to help them rebuild a new democratic Iraq. |
Janeway! Why?! Are the Liberals corrupting you? Can we not defend our country when we have a threat?
I'll quote many things that I've stated:
| Republican_Man wrote: | | B'Ellanna_Torrez wrote: | | Defiant wrote: | | Bah...And how many Iraqis have been killed? Who is thinking about them? Operation Iraqi Freedom? Or Operation Lets Take Over Their Country, Ruin Their Way of Life, Kill Them Off, and Pretend That We Had To? |
Ruin Their Way of Life??? Now, that's actually FUNNY, there. A way of life under an oppressive dictator, who kills them, steals their money and uses it for himself...? Oh, yeah. How dare we take them away from all that?!?!? **sarcasm**
Not intending to sound passive and mean and all, but...you know, people killed in the U.S. medical proffession due to negligence each year is more than THREE HUNDRED TIMES HIGHER than our war caualties. And no one protests the medical proffession.
The loss of life, though, of course, is regretable...however, as RM said, it is war. It's still sad... |
EXACTLY. What else do you expect in war but casualties, huh? This is GOING to happen in war. Plus, B'Ellanna is right. So, you think that the life they have now is BETTER than: rape rooms, torture chambers, throwing people off buildings for no reason at all, cutting off tongues and heads, steals money, and much more is BETTER than what they have now? Well then that's great. Let's give our President those powers and we'll be better off. **sarcasm** |
| Republican_Man wrote: | | Defiant wrote: | Well then, we're *beep* about losing 1000 people. THEY HAVE LOST BETWEEN 11000 AND 13000!!!
And the entire point here is, we dont need war! The war is unnecessary, unjustified, and unintelligently run.
What about Saddam? He was a dictator. He was an SOB. But the Iraqis were happy with that, otherwise they would have done something. Besides that entirely, thats not why we went to war. We went to war because George Sr. was too *beep* to do it, and so he tells George Dubya to go finish what he started. |
1. Again, WHAT DO YOU EXPECT IN WAR?
2. We NEEDED WAR. It WAS justified. It WAS necessary. And it was NOT unintelligently run. Given it could have been run better, but it was NO UNintelligently run.
3. Yes, he was an SOB, but the Iraqis were NOT happy about it! That's a hell of a statement to make, Defiant! What do you think the Kurds tried to do? PLUS, if you opposed Saddam, then you would DIE--and die horribly, so people were FEARFUL of Saddam.
4. We did NOT go to war to finish off George Sr.'s war! Yikes!
5. I listened to an interview on the Sean Hannity Show with an Iraqi man who SURVIVED, AMAZENGLY SURVIVED, a Mass Graves killing. (He was a Kurdish person) If I can remember it right, it was 1988. Saddam's troops came over to this Kurdish village where he (at age TWELVE) and his 110 extended family members. They rounded up the people and burned the village. Then, they brought then to a place in which they stayed at bay and were not given water for days. They were split up into 2 groups, one for men and another for women and children AS YOUNG AS BABIES.
One day they were given water, but this water HAD to have a chemical in it because--well, stand by. The next step was that they were all brought to an area and were all shot. He couldn't cry because of the water. He walked over and spoke, in Kurdish, to the people that were doing this saying, "Why are you doing this? We've done nothing wrong..." He was shot again, horribly in the shoulder. (I forget, but there might have been a gassing at this point). Either way, all the people were killed and fell into holes.
Hours later, the 12-year-old awoke, and saw the dead bodies around him. He quietly got out of the hole and looked around. NO ONE OTHER THAN HIM WAS ALIVE (although he did say that one of his cousins may have survived as well). He then found a hole with no other people in it and waited in there for hours, gushing blood. A long time later, when the troops were gone, he managed to get away and get to safety.
SEE? [i]This is what happened to those that stood up to the regime! INNOCENT PEOPLE! And so the Iraqis LIKED IT?! What the heck are you smokin'?
I appologize for this tone, but it is dispicable this propaganda that Defiant is spilling. |
| Republican_Man wrote: | | Defiant wrote: | | RM, I dont believe the speculated poll. Seriously, if you were an iraqi, and a group of soldiers came up to you with guns, that had just killed your friends and family, would you say you thought they were wasting their time and lives, and also that you dont think they are helping? Hell no. You will say what you think they want to hear. Dont anger the nice men with guns. |
This just in! This morning I went to the Arapahoe Republican Men's Club (in Colorado) Breakfast. It started out with getting breakfast and then introductions of people and announcements. Then, there was a guest speaker. This guest speaker was an American who, for the past 6 months has been TRAINING IRAQI POLICE OFFICERS (in Baghdad). EVERYTIME he would drive past Iraqis he would usually get smiles, waves, and thumbs-ups. So, what say you now? As I've said, the Iraqis are OVERWHELMINGLY HAPPY that we are there, and the Policement that he has been training are happy. Next week there will be a Baghdad CouncilWOMAN who will speak, and I may go. Then, you will lose even worse.  |
| Republican_Man wrote: | | AmyLee wrote: | Why are you guys asking for articles?
The truth has already been posted.
I am not lying about it. Over 908 U.S. Soldiers have been killed and counting.
If you want further truth go ask the people who made memorials for the soldiers killed in Iraq. They will tell you how they feel about it.
(If you want articles search the CNN, FOX News, and other sites with information related to the war.)
Yes, it's true, but rules are rules.
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The United States is supposed to be the best military in world. What I mean by that is they should have won this war, left country of Iraq, and have fewer casualties.
Yes, we DO have the best military in the world. We have won the war, and this is the post-war. We cannot leave Iraq because if we do, then the few groups of terrorists will gain control. Being the best Military in the world, also, does not mean that you necessarily have fewer casualties when someone will do ANYTHING, including kill themselves, to prevent freedom in the middle east.
Yet despite all the advance military technology 900 men and women still died in combat. President Bush still hasnt found real proof of WMDs.
Yes, there's been some proof of WMDs, just we haven't found stockpies yet, but what's your point?
Terrorist are still attacking Iraqis.
Well, I've got news for you: WE ARE IN A WAR ON TERROR.
American and Foreign nationals are being kidnapped.
That's the nature of the enemy--EVIL!
The U.S. Military can't even capture Muoq Tada Al-Sadr who is running a newspaper.
It is NOT as easy as you think.
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Okay, look at EVERYONE who acknowledged WMDs and told Bush:
-Tony Blair
-MI-6
-Putin
-Russian Intelligence Agency
-Clinton
-CIA
-Bush
-Hilary Clinton
-Ted Kennedy
-John Kerry
-John Edwards
-Nancy Pelosi
-Tom Daschle
-Chirac
Need I say more?
If you get word from THREE DIFFERENT INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES and MULTIPLE leaders on a threat, you HAVE TO ACT ON IT!
What's happened to you, Janeway?
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 I soooooo new this was coming.
I acknowledge that it was a threat. However, after thinking it over for quite some time now, and listening to debate about it, I just don't think Iraq was the right place for us to extend the fight against extreme Muslim ideology....
I have several different reasons for changing my mind on this issue....
Look, Iran is a MUCH bigger threat than Iraq was, they harbor and train terrorists, I would be much happier to see something done about that country. There younger generation is willing, and wanting to change, with help from us, we could have a very successful turn-around in the country. North Korea was too.(though I would NEVER support military action against them unless it was an extreme situation)
However RM, please note that I did not change my siggy.  Bush may have not made the best decision on going in, but John Kerry just scares me. I am not mad that we are in Iraq, but after looking over alot of info, and thinking about it, I don't think it was the best choice.
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| Wed Jul 28, 2004 4:19 pm |
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | I soooooo new this was coming.
It's "knew" with a "k."
I acknowledge that it was a threat. However, after thinking it over for quite some time now, and listening to debate about it, I just don't think Iraq was the right place for us to extend the fight against extreme Muslim ideology....
Well, you acknowledge that it was a threat, but LOOK AT IT. The Intelligence said that it was an IMMINENT THREAT--that we would BE ATTACKED by WMDs. That's what it said. Plus, he HAD funded terrorism and had a link to Al Quada--which was PROVEN (EVEN by the 9/11 Commission). He had USED WMDs in the past, the intel said that there was a threat, we HAD to act on him. ALL THE FACTORS SHOWED THAT WE HAD TO GO IN!
I have several different reasons for changing my mind on this issue....
Look, Iran is a MUCH bigger threat than Iraq was, they harbor and train terrorists, I would be much happier to see something done about that country. There younger generation is willing, and wanting to change, with help from us, we could have a very successful turn-around in the country. North Korea was too.(though I would NEVER support military action against them unless it was an extreme situation)
We didn't have intel that said that Iran was tracking us with WMDs at the time. It may have funded terrorism more, but it was NOT a bigger threat then. 9/11 told us that we had to ACT ON IMMINENT THREATS, and the intel told us that that was what Iraq was!! And Saddam DID harbor terrorists as well. Ay ay ay!
However RM, please note that I did not change my siggy. Bush may have not made the best decision on going in, but John Kerry just scares me. I am not mad that we are in Iraq, but after looking over alot of info, and thinking about it, I don't think it was the best choice. |
Oh, and you're little better than Kerry--you are a flip flopper too.
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Calming down...I do not like that you have flip-flopped on this issue.
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Tsss, are people aloud to change there mind?
I have thought it over....for over a year . It is not like I am changing my mind to please the people, that is what Kerry does...he wants to get the votes. Plus it is obvious you are not to happy.
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | Tsss, are people aloud to change there mind?
I have thought it over....for over a year . It is not like I am changing my mind to please the people.....obviously you are not to happy. |
You clearly don't believe that we should act on serious threats, like the Intel said Iraq was. And it IS flip-flopping to change your mind on a war A YEAR LATER. I'd say 2 months later is okay, but otherwise...
And NOOOO! I've lost another person to the Liberals! (Of course it's not full, but still)
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We cannot act on every threat. Even you can agree on that. We have to choose our battles. I don't think Iraq was the right one.
People are ALLOWED to change there minds.....if you are incapable of changing your mind on an issue, you clearly cannot think for yourself, and are unwilling to learn, and expand intellectually.
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | We cannot act on every threat. Even you can agree on that. We have to choose our battles. I don't think Iraq was the right one. |
It depends on the threat. And this one was a SERIOUS, and GRAVE one, said the intel of THREE GROUPS, and MANY leaders. If we are about to be attacked, says the intel, then we should ACT ON IT. But of course, you don't think so.
And why after over a year? That's what I object to.
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Have not lost me RM. I am Republican 100% and more. I have morals to stand by. The war was just. What made you change your mind now JanewayisHott? Nothing won't change my mind. Not the liberals.
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KMMA, don't get me wrong, I am not mad, nor unhappy that we are over there. I support our soldiers, and as I said earlier, you husband and all the other soldiers have my unconditional support. I am happy that we have the chance to help build a new Iraq. However, I just was never 100% that we should have gone in, and after considering many different things, I just no longer beleive it should have been such a high priority.
And RM...remember you haven't lost me TO the liberals....you lost me to the Independents. 
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Can I ask you something? Was you over there? Then how do you know it was the right thing to do? Email charlie and he will tell you things that he saw. He don't tell no lies I would not be married to a liar. He can't tell on the board cause it might be so horrable.
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| kmma wrote: | | Have not lost me RM. I am Republican 100% and more. I have morals to stand by. The war was just. What made you change your mind now JanewayisHott? Nothing won't change my mind. Not the liberals. |
I know that I haven't lost you, my friend.
| JanewayIsHott wrote: | KMMA, don't get me wrong, I am not mad, nor unhappy that we are over there. I support our soldiers, and as I said earlier, you husband and all the other soldiers have my unconditional support. I am happy that we have the chance to help build a new Iraq. However, I just was never 100% that we should have gone in, and after considering many different things, I just no longer beleive it should have been such a high priority.
And RM...remember you haven't lost me TO the liberals....you lost me to the Independents. |
I thank you for your support of the soldiers, but this is a serious flip-flop. At least you are happy that we have a chance to build a new Iraq now that we're there, but either way, something HAD to be done. And I DID lose you TO the Liberals in the sense of a major issue--Iraq and Terrorism.
| kmma wrote: | | Can I ask you something? Was you over there? Then how do you know it was the right thing to do? Email charlie and he will tell you things that he saw. He don't tell no lies I would not be married to a liar. He can't tell on the board cause it might be so horrable. |
I am sure that you would not be married to a liar. And what do you mean by it might be so horrible?
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Charlie will have to tell it. I will get too emotional. Plus I never figure Janewayishott would be against Bush. No offense but it is a shock.
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Oh by the way, When Charlie gets home tonight he get on tonight or tomrrow. He needs to say something about this too.
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| kmma wrote: | | Charlie will have to tell it. I will get too emotional. Plus I never figure Janewayishott would be against Bush. No offense but it is a shock. |
Then would you say that things are going good there? And he's not against Bush, or so he says, just the War in Iraq.
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I never said that anyone was lying. I beleive that Bush thought that he was doing the right thing. I beleive that he was shown credible intel. I never said that Charlie was lying about anything. And I am NOT against Bush, just look at my signature....I would have changed it if I was against Bush.
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He is not against Bush. He is for Bush. He is not a republican nor democrat. he is independent. I will let him tell. It is not my place to tell ok. I was not over there so I do not know but he does. And what he told me, he should say on here.
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But you just don't see that we needed to go to war.
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Yes I do know. But I could say why and the liberals on here will call me a liar and bash me for it. I do get why we was over there. It was to stop Saddam, stop terrorist. Help the Iraqi people. Saddam treated his people. killed other people that would go against him and killed their relatives that might tell. They were graves in back of his palace of dead people he had killed. Saddam was a treat to his people and America.
Charlie could explain it better than I can.
He seen all the iraqi kids coming up wanting food and something to drink that Saddam had made them do without for so long. When 3rd ID won the war in Iraq, the Iraqi people cheered them. They was dancing in the streets literally.
I will let Charlie tell the rest he knows it.
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| Wed Jul 28, 2004 5:15 pm |
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| Quote: | | But you just don't see that we needed to go to war. |
Sorry, that was meant for Janeway.
| kmma wrote: | Yes I do know. But I could say why and the liberals on here will call me a liar and bash me for it. I do get why we was over there. It was to stop Saddam, stop terrorist. Help the Iraqi people. Saddam treated his people. killed other people that would go against him and killed their relatives that might tell. They were graves in back of his palace of dead people he had killed. Saddam was a treat to his people and America.
You speak truths yet again. However, you DO forget to mention the primary reason that we went there, and that was that we had what SO MANY PEOPLE AND INTEL AGENCIES called Saddam a grave an urgent threat, and that's the main reason we went in, and as a result, many, many good things happened.
Charlie could explain it better than I can.
He seen all the iraqi kids coming up wanting food and something to drink that Saddam had made them do without for so long. When 3rd ID won the war in Iraq, the Iraqi people cheered them. They was dancing in the streets literally.
I will let Charlie tell the rest he knows it. |
See! And I look forward to his explanation.
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You will either tonight or tomrrow. Janewayishott imagine how the troops feel people bashing Bush their president while fighting for what they believe in. I had a soldier im me today he is in Iraq. He is upset and just wanted to talk about people that Bash Bush and he is so discourage about it.
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| Wed Jul 28, 2004 5:27 pm |
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| kmma wrote: | | You will either tonight or tomrrow. Janewayishott imagine how the troops feel people bashing Bush their president while fighting for what they believe in. I had a soldier im me today he is in Iraq. He is upset and just wanted to talk about people that Bash Bush and he is so discourage about it. |
Exactly, but he is not bashing Bush, but rather the War in Iraq, which DOES take a GREAT toll on moral.
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| Wed Jul 28, 2004 5:42 pm |
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Well I apologize if my beleifs harm troop morale. Don't expect me, too change it though. I have my reasons, and people are allowed to have their own beleifs. I don't see how it can harm troop morale though when I still have hang the American flag everyday,( not now though because it is raining) and have an American flag decal on our car. I don't see how me sending over some of my stuff to Iraqi soldiers can harm their morale. I am sorry if I can not fully support the decsision to go into Iraq. However, in my actions, and in this one thread alone, I have shown a great deal of support towards them. And I am not bashing President Bush. Look at my avatar or signature. I still support him, I still have a yard sign saying "Bush Cheney 04" in our yard, which I bought with my own money. But if that does not help yall at all, I am sorry that I cannot please you by agreeing with your opinions.
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| Wed Jul 28, 2004 5:49 pm |
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Whatever, I am also sticking to my good moral beliefs.
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