| Author |
Message |
AmyLee
Ensign, Junior Grade
Joined: 24 Jun 2004
Posts: 34
Location: San Francisco
|
 Tue Jul 27, 2004 9:09 am Iraq War Reports |
|
New reports by CNN on Casualties on Iraq 908 U.S. Soldiers dead.
The death toll still rises. 1-6 U.S. Soldier die almost everyday..
" I hope President Bush has a good apology or explaination to the families who has lost a love one in combat. "
I think before this war is over 1000+ U.S. Soldier Casualties would be the number.
|
|
|
Starbuck
faster...
Joined: 19 Feb 2003
Posts: 8715
Location: between chaos and melody
|
| Tue Jul 27, 2004 9:25 am |
|
do you have the article?
|
|
|
Republican_Man
STV's Premier Conservative
Joined: 26 Mar 2004
Posts: 14823
Location: Classified
|
| Tue Jul 27, 2004 10:13 am Re: Iraq War Reports |
|
| AmyLee wrote: | New reports by CNN on Casualties on Iraq 908 U.S. Soldiers dead.
The death toll still rises. 1-6 U.S. Soldier die almost everyday..
" I hope President Bush has a good apology or explaination to the families who has lost a love one in combat. "
I think before this war is over 1000+ U.S. Soldier Casualties would be the number. |
Yes. Facts, etc. are needed if you post this.
But even if it is true, what else do you expect would happen during war? CASUALTIES.
-------signature-------
"Rights are only as good as the willingness of some to exercise responsibility for those rights- Fmr. Colorado Senate Pres. John Andrews
|
|
|
Link, the Hero of Time
Vice Admiral
Joined: 15 Sep 2001
Posts: 5581
Location: Kokori Forest, Hyrule
|
| Tue Jul 27, 2004 8:19 pm |
|
Ahem... I do seem to remember Bush saying something like The hostilites are over.
American Death Toll since the War in Iraq has started With Hyperlinks.
http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~stephan/USfatalities.html
-------signature-------
"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism." President Thomas Jefferson
"A man's respect for law and order exists in precise relationship to the size of his paycheck." Adam Clayton Powell Jr.
|
|
|
Defiant
Fleet Admiral
Joined: 04 Jul 2001
Posts: 15946
Location: Oregon City, OR
|
| Tue Jul 27, 2004 8:25 pm |
|
Bah...And how many Iraqis have been killed? Who is thinking about them? Operation Iraqi Freedom? Or Operation Lets Take Over Their Country, Ruin Their Way of Life, Kill Them Off, and Pretend That We Had To?
|
|
|
Arellia
The Quiet One
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Posts: 4425
Location: Dallas, TX
|
| Tue Jul 27, 2004 8:30 pm |
|
| Defiant wrote: | | Bah...And how many Iraqis have been killed? Who is thinking about them? Operation Iraqi Freedom? Or Operation Lets Take Over Their Country, Ruin Their Way of Life, Kill Them Off, and Pretend That We Had To? |
Ruin Their Way of Life??? Now, that's actually FUNNY, there. A way of life under an oppressive dictator, who kills them, steals their money and uses it for himself...? Oh, yeah. How dare we take them away from all that?!?!? **sarcasm**
Not intending to sound passive and mean and all, but...you know, people killed in the U.S. medical proffession due to negligence each year is more than THREE HUNDRED TIMES HIGHER than our war caualties. And no one protests the medical proffession.
The loss of life, though, of course, is regretable...however, as RM said, it is war. It's still sad...
Last edited by Arellia on Tue Jul 27, 2004 8:53 pm; edited 1 time in total
|
|
|
Link, the Hero of Time
Vice Admiral
Joined: 15 Sep 2001
Posts: 5581
Location: Kokori Forest, Hyrule
|
| Tue Jul 27, 2004 8:43 pm |
|
| Defiant wrote: | | Bah...And how many Iraqis have been killed? Who is thinking about them? Operation Iraqi Freedom? Or Operation Lets Take Over Their Country, Ruin Their Way of Life, Kill Them Off, and Pretend That We Had To? |
to answer you're question
http://www.iraqbodycount.net/
|
|
|
Defiant
Fleet Admiral
Joined: 04 Jul 2001
Posts: 15946
Location: Oregon City, OR
|
| Tue Jul 27, 2004 8:53 pm |
|
Well then, we're bitching about losing 1000 people. THEY HAVE LOST BETWEEN 11000 AND 13000!!!
And the entire point here is, we dont need war! The war is unnecessary, unjustified, and unintelligently run.
What about Saddam? He was a dictator. He was an SOB. But the Iraqis were happy with that, otherwise they would have done something. Besides that entirely, thats not why we went to war. We went to war because George Sr. was too *beep* to do it, and so he tells George Dubya to go finish what he started.
|
|
|
LightningBoy
Commodore
Joined: 09 Mar 2003
Posts: 1446
Location: Minnesota, U.S.A.
|
| Tue Jul 27, 2004 10:12 pm |
|
World War 2 deaths, in Germany, were in the millions. The number of deaths in this war have been extremely miniscule, in comparison to nearly every other war we've fought. Germany never attacked us, Japan did. In fact, the links between Germany and Japan were minor, at best. We did we PREEMPTIVELY strike Germany? Was that morally wrong? Did we do anything wrong then?
Did any of the WW2 familys need an explainations? They were fighting to save the innocent from opression and genocide.
What do you think this war did?
Bush haters really are like ipecac, they really can make me want to vomit.
|
|
|
Republican_Man
STV's Premier Conservative
Joined: 26 Mar 2004
Posts: 14823
Location: Classified
|
| Tue Jul 27, 2004 10:23 pm |
|
| B'Ellanna_Torrez wrote: | | Defiant wrote: | | Bah...And how many Iraqis have been killed? Who is thinking about them? Operation Iraqi Freedom? Or Operation Lets Take Over Their Country, Ruin Their Way of Life, Kill Them Off, and Pretend That We Had To? |
Ruin Their Way of Life??? Now, that's actually FUNNY, there. A way of life under an oppressive dictator, who kills them, steals their money and uses it for himself...? Oh, yeah. How dare we take them away from all that?!?!? **sarcasm**
Not intending to sound passive and mean and all, but...you know, people killed in the U.S. medical proffession due to negligence each year is more than THREE HUNDRED TIMES HIGHER than our war caualties. And no one protests the medical proffession.
The loss of life, though, of course, is regretable...however, as RM said, it is war. It's still sad... |
EXACTLY. What else do you expect in war but casualties, huh? This is GOING to happen in war. Plus, B'Ellanna is right. So, you think that the life they have now is BETTER than: rape rooms, torture chambers, throwing people off buildings for no reason at all, cutting off tongues and heads, steals money, and much more is BETTER than what they have now? Well then that's great. Let's give our President those powers and we'll be better off. **sarcasm**
-------signature-------
"Rights are only as good as the willingness of some to exercise responsibility for those rights- Fmr. Colorado Senate Pres. John Andrews
|
|
|
Defiant
Fleet Admiral
Joined: 04 Jul 2001
Posts: 15946
Location: Oregon City, OR
|
| Tue Jul 27, 2004 10:30 pm |
|
World War 2 is not the topic of discussion here. Plus, this is NOT war. This is a campaign. Congress never declared war. It was under an executive order from the "president," that we attacked.
|
|
|
LightningBoy
Commodore
Joined: 09 Mar 2003
Posts: 1446
Location: Minnesota, U.S.A.
|
| Tue Jul 27, 2004 10:31 pm |
|
| Defiant wrote: | | The Iraqis were happy with that, otherwise they would have done something. |
This is quite possibly the stupidest, most uninformed sentence i've EVER read. You really need to know what you're talking about before you open your big mouth.
Do you know ANYONE from Iraq? Do you know ANYTHING about Iraq? I don't know why I ask, because you make it clear that you don't with what you just said.
Do you know that most Iraqis still support coalition efforts?
Here are some interesting poll numbers FROM IRAQIS.
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/GoodMorningAmerica/Iraq_anniversary_poll_040314.html
How things are going today:
Good 70%
Bad 29
Compared to a year ago, before the war:
Better 56%
Same 23
Worse 19
How they'll be a year from now:
Better 71%
Same 9
Worse 7
U.S.-led invasion:
Was right 48%
Was wrong 39
Attacks on coalition forces:
Acceptable 17%
Unacceptable 78
Another poll from an unbiased international news agency in India:
http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=22949
Was the US war to remove Saddam correct?
RIGHT: 54%
WRONG: 32
Should US troops stay on to rebuild Iraq
GO BACK: 52%
STAY ON: 43
Some more statistics from a credible DC newspaper:
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/nj/schneider2004-05-12.htm
"More than 90 percent of respondents endorsed the view that Iraq should have a democratic government�but not exactly on the U.S. model."
Don't listen to everything that you hear on TV, they twist facts, and do anything to help Democrats. I'll admit Iraqis want the U.S. to pull out soon, and they will get it, but to say that they didn't support the removal of Hussein is asinine.
Don't talk unless you know what you're saying. Especially when you're putting words in someone elses mouth.
|
|
|
Crash Overide
Lieutenant
Joined: 27 Jul 2004
Posts: 146
|
| Tue Jul 27, 2004 10:34 pm |
|
I didn't know some people were still stuck arguing about iraq...let's face it...iraq is not the hip thing anymore...there are better shows to catch other than bad reception replays from some sand pit
|
|
|
Republican_Man
STV's Premier Conservative
Joined: 26 Mar 2004
Posts: 14823
Location: Classified
|
| Tue Jul 27, 2004 10:35 pm |
|
| Defiant wrote: | Well then, we're *beep* about losing 1000 people. THEY HAVE LOST BETWEEN 11000 AND 13000!!!
And the entire point here is, we dont need war! The war is unnecessary, unjustified, and unintelligently run.
What about Saddam? He was a dictator. He was an SOB. But the Iraqis were happy with that, otherwise they would have done something. Besides that entirely, thats not why we went to war. We went to war because George Sr. was too *beep* to do it, and so he tells George Dubya to go finish what he started. |
1. Again, WHAT DO YOU EXPECT IN WAR?
2. We NEEDED WAR. It WAS justified. It WAS necessary. And it was NOT unintelligently run. Given it could have been run better, but it was NO UNintelligently run.
3. Yes, he was an SOB, but the Iraqis were NOT happy about it! That's a hell of a statement to make, Defiant! What do you think the Kurds tried to do? PLUS, if you opposed Saddam, then you would DIE--and die horribly, so people were FEARFUL of Saddam.
4. We did NOT go to war to finish off George Sr.'s war! Yikes!
5. I listened to an interview on the Sean Hannity Show with an Iraqi man who SURVIVED, AMAZENGLY SURVIVED, a Mass Graves killing. (He was a Kurdish person) If I can remember it right, it was 1988. Saddam's troops came over to this Kurdish village where he (at age TWELVE) and his 110 extended family members. They rounded up the people and burned the village. Then, they brought then to a place in which they stayed at bay and were not given water for days. They were split up into 2 groups, one for men and another for women and children AS YOUNG AS BABIES.
One day they were given water, but this water HAD to have a chemical in it because--well, stand by. The next step was that they were all brought to an area and were all shot. He couldn't cry because of the water. He walked over and spoke, in Kurdish, to the people that were doing this saying, "Why are you doing this? We've done nothing wrong..." He was shot again, horribly in the shoulder. (I forget, but there might have been a gassing at this point). Either way, all the people were killed and fell into holes.
Hours later, the 12-year-old awoke, and saw the dead bodies around him. He quietly got out of the hole and looked around. NO ONE OTHER THAN HIM WAS ALIVE (although he did say that one of his cousins may have survived as well). He then found a hole with no other people in it and waited in there for hours, gushing blood. A long time later, when the troops were gone, he managed to get away and get to safety.
SEE? [i]This is what happened to those that stood up to the regime! INNOCENT PEOPLE! And so the Iraqis LIKED IT?! What the heck are you smokin'?
I appologize for this tone, but it is dispicable this propaganda that Defiant is spilling.
-------signature-------
"Rights are only as good as the willingness of some to exercise responsibility for those rights- Fmr. Colorado Senate Pres. John Andrews
|
|
|
Defiant
Fleet Admiral
Joined: 04 Jul 2001
Posts: 15946
Location: Oregon City, OR
|
| Tue Jul 27, 2004 10:36 pm |
|
You need to calm down homie.
There is no such thing as an unbiased report. Ever. The only unbiased report are facts.
If Iraqis supported coalition efforts, why are they killing american soldiers every day?
|
|
|
Republican_Man
STV's Premier Conservative
Joined: 26 Mar 2004
Posts: 14823
Location: Classified
|
| Tue Jul 27, 2004 10:37 pm |
|
| Defiant wrote: | | World War 2 is not the topic of discussion here. Plus, this is NOT war. This is a campaign. Congress never declared war. It was under an executive order from the "president," that we attacked. |
That is a LIE if I ever heard one!!!!
The CONGRESS VOTED FOR WAR!!! This was NOT a police action. Kerry, Edwards, Kennedy, Clinton, Daschle, NEARLY EVERYONE IN CONGRESS ACKNOWLEDGED WMDs and voted for war! They DID declare war!!!
| Defiant wrote: | You need to calm down homie.
There is no such thing as an unbiased report. Ever. The only unbiased report are facts.
If Iraqis supported coalition efforts, why are they killing american soldiers every day? |
Sorry, I will calm down a bit, but your propaganda and lies--My god!
Okay, look. Most Iraqis DO support our efforts. It's just media SPIN that makes it seem that most don't.
And that was NOT JUST a report. It was a first-account explanation!
-------signature-------
"Rights are only as good as the willingness of some to exercise responsibility for those rights- Fmr. Colorado Senate Pres. John Andrews
|
|
|
Republican_Man
STV's Premier Conservative
Joined: 26 Mar 2004
Posts: 14823
Location: Classified
|
| Tue Jul 27, 2004 10:40 pm |
|
| LightningBoy wrote: | | Defiant wrote: | | The Iraqis were happy with that, otherwise they would have done something. |
This is quite possibly the stupidest, most uninformed sentence i've EVER read. You really need to know what you're talking about before you open your big mouth.
Do you know ANYONE from Iraq? Do you know ANYTHING about Iraq? I don't know why I ask, because you make it clear that you don't with what you just said.
Do you know that most Iraqis still support coalition efforts?
Here are some interesting poll numbers FROM IRAQIS.
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/GoodMorningAmerica/Iraq_anniversary_poll_040314.html
How things are going today:
Good 70%
Bad 29
Compared to a year ago, before the war:
Better 56%
Same 23
Worse 19
How they'll be a year from now:
Better 71%
Same 9
Worse 7
U.S.-led invasion:
Was right 48%
Was wrong 39
Attacks on coalition forces:
Acceptable 17%
Unacceptable 78
Another poll from an unbiased international news agency in India:
http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=22949
Was the US war to remove Saddam correct?
RIGHT: 54%
WRONG: 32
Should US troops stay on to rebuild Iraq
GO BACK: 52%
STAY ON: 43
Some more statistics from a credible DC newspaper:
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/nj/schneider2004-05-12.htm
"More than 90 percent of respondents endorsed the view that Iraq should have a democratic government�but not exactly on the U.S. model."
Don't listen to everything that you hear on TV, they twist facts, and do anything to help Democrats. I'll admit Iraqis want the U.S. to pull out soon, and they will get it, but to say that they didn't support the removal of Hussein is asinine.
Don't talk unless you know what you're saying. Especially when you're putting words in someone elses mouth. |
And Defiant, just Read this! Or are you too hooked on your propaganda and lying drug that you can't?
---EDIT---
Calming down, you're probably just misguided.
-------signature-------
"Rights are only as good as the willingness of some to exercise responsibility for those rights- Fmr. Colorado Senate Pres. John Andrews
|
|
|
Crash Overide
Lieutenant
Joined: 27 Jul 2004
Posts: 146
|
| Tue Jul 27, 2004 10:44 pm |
|
Ronald Reagan was such a crook 
|
|
|
Defiant
Fleet Admiral
Joined: 04 Jul 2001
Posts: 15946
Location: Oregon City, OR
|
| Tue Jul 27, 2004 10:45 pm |
|
I read it, and responded to it. What do you think I should take note of?
|
|
|
IntrepidIsMe
Pimp Handed
Joined: 14 Jun 2002
Posts: 13057
Location: New York
|
| Tue Jul 27, 2004 10:45 pm |
|
| CrashOveride wrote: | | Ronald Reagan was such a crook |
Hey now, please don't give people labeles, and not proof.
-------signature-------
"Nelly, I am Heathcliff! He's always, always in my mind: not as a pleasure, any more than I am always a pleasure to myself, but as my own being."
-Wuthering Heights
|
|
|
Crash Overide
Lieutenant
Joined: 27 Jul 2004
Posts: 146
|
| Tue Jul 27, 2004 10:47 pm |
|
He robbed everyone and told lies what more proof do you need
|
|
|
Defiant
Fleet Admiral
Joined: 04 Jul 2001
Posts: 15946
Location: Oregon City, OR
|
| Tue Jul 27, 2004 10:47 pm |
|
Yes, thats not the premise of the debate. You cant state something then walk away, you have to let us try to tear your beliefs limb my limb.
|
|
|
Crash Overide
Lieutenant
Joined: 27 Jul 2004
Posts: 146
|
| Tue Jul 27, 2004 10:48 pm |
|
What is this world coming to!
|
|
|
IntrepidIsMe
Pimp Handed
Joined: 14 Jun 2002
Posts: 13057
Location: New York
|
| Tue Jul 27, 2004 10:50 pm |
|
Alright, that's enough. Your "proof" isn't legitimate, it's your opinion, which counts for zip, if you're going to slander a person over it.
-------signature-------
"Nelly, I am Heathcliff! He's always, always in my mind: not as a pleasure, any more than I am always a pleasure to myself, but as my own being."
-Wuthering Heights
|
|
|
Republican_Man
STV's Premier Conservative
Joined: 26 Mar 2004
Posts: 14823
Location: Classified
|
| Tue Jul 27, 2004 10:52 pm |
|
| Crash Overide wrote: | | Ronald Reagan was such a crook |
That has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with this discussion.
| Crash Overide wrote: | | He robbed everyone and told lies what more proof do you need |
Give me an example of a lie, though. And how did he rob people? He was an HONEST man. One of the MOST HONEST Presidents we've ever had since Lincoln.
| Defiant wrote: | | I read it, and responded to it. What do you think I should take note of? |
That most Iraqis support the US and are not opposed to it. Most Iraqis aren't attack us.
| Defiant wrote: | | Yes, thats not the premise of the debate. You cant state something then walk away, you have to let us try to tear your beliefs limb my limb. |
I actually...AGREE with you there! 
| Quote: | | Alright, that's enough. Your "proof" isn't legitimate, it's your opinion, which counts for zip, if you're going to slander a person over it. |
EXACTLY.
-------signature-------
"Rights are only as good as the willingness of some to exercise responsibility for those rights- Fmr. Colorado Senate Pres. John Andrews
|
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group
Star Trek �, in all its various forms, are trademarks & copyrights of Paramount Pictures
This site has no official connection with Star Trek or Paramount Pictures
Site content/Site design elements owned by Morphy and is meant to only be an archive/Tribute to STV.com
|
Search
FAQ
Log in
