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Bush to Move on Report Recommendations
Monday, July 26, 2004
CRAWFORD, Texas � President Bush probably will move within days to adopt recommendations made by the Sept. 11 commission (search), a senior administration official said Sunday as lawmakers pressed for speedy action.
The White House is studying which of the panel's more than 40 proposals can be implemented by executive order, which ones require congressional approval and which ones actually would improve domestic security.
Bush directed the White House chief of staff, Andrew Card (search), to undertake a high-level review of the proposals. That process will advance beginning Monday, when national security adviser Condoleezza Rice arrives at Bush's ranch in Crawford (search).
"We will move as quickly as possible," the senior administration official said, speaking on condition he not be identified because Bush has not announced his intentions or a timetable. "Some recommendations will happen within days; others may take more time."
The official would not say which recommendations were likely to be adopted or offer more precise timing. Bush is following the long-standing tradition of keeping a low profile during this week's Democratic National Convention, and announcing his acceptance of recommendations would be sure to draw attention from rival John Kerry's gathering in Boston.
When the Sept. 11 commission issued its report last week, Kerry endorsed all its recommendations. On Sunday, Kerry campaign officials said the candidate had identified more than a dozen recommendations that, if he were elected, he could implement by executive order.
For instance, Kerry said he would enact recommendations to identify potential terrorist sanctuaries and determine their importance; advance the U.S.-Saudi relationship to confront terrorists; hold up the United States as an example for Muslim democracies; and work with other nations to develop a comprehensive strategy against Islamic terrorism.
Proposals that would require congressional approval could face tough sledding in an election year.
But Congress cannot wait months or even weeks to act on the Sept. 11 commission's recommendations because the nation faces a continued threat of attack from al-Qaida, leaders of the panel said Sunday.
"Every day that passes is a day of increased risk if we do not make changes," Democrat Lee Hamilton, the commission's vice chairman, told NBC's "Meet the Press." "It's very clear these people want to kill us."
The commission report, released last week, recommended a sweeping overhaul of the nation's intelligence community. Congress adjourned for its summer recess on Friday, a day after the report's release. Congressional leaders pledged August hearings in the House and Senate on two of the main recommendations: to create a position of director of national intelligence and a national counterterrorism center.
Republican Thomas Kean, the commission's chairman, said he was encouraged but not totally satisfied with the initial reaction from Congress.
"There is an emergency, that these terrorists plan to attack us again as soon as possible, and therefore Congress has got to act now and not next year sometime," the former New Jersey governor said.
President Bush has promised that his administration will study the commission's report, and he has directed his chief of staff, Andrew Card, to undertake a Cabinet-level review of the proposals. The president has not said which proposals he might support.
The commission's report culminated a 20-month investigation by the panel of five Republicans and five Democrats. It cited multiple failures that contributed to the 2001 hijackings and concluded that the government was unprepared and uncomprehending of imminent danger posed by al-Qaida.
Appearing on CNN's "Late Edition," Kean defended the panel's decision not to point fingers at specific officials for failures that preceded the Sept. 11 attacks.
"What we were trying to do was identify systematic failures, things that could be corrected," Kean said, "because these people � all of them � were working within a system that was broken; that simply didn't work."
The report did not fault President Bush or former President Clinton, although it said neither had made anti-terror a top priority before Sept. 11, 2001.
Asked on "Meet The Press" if they would accept if the president asked them to jointly head a new intelligence agency, neither Kean nor Hamilton ruled it out.
"I'd do anything with Lee Hamilton," said Kean.
"That's a very speculative question," said Hamilton. "I'd have to think about it. I've had a marvelous experience working with Tom Kean, and I think it's been a productive one. But that's a presidential call."
Some families who lost loved ones that day have said the commission should have placed blame on individuals for lapses prior to the attacks in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania.
Richard Clarke, former head of counterterror in the Bush and Clinton administrations, also was critical.
"Because the commission had a goal of creating a unanimous report from a bipartisan group, it softened the edges and left it to the public to draw many conclusions," Clarke wrote in an opinion piece in Sunday's New York Times. Clarke has said that Bush fumbled opportunities to eliminate al-Qaida, and Clinton did more to fight terrorism.
The commission plans to release four more staff reports in the coming weeks on topics including terrorism financing, border and immigration issues, aviation and transportation and counterterrorism policy.
The reports will be published by the Government Printing 0ffice and are compiled by commission staff, not voted on or approved by the commissioners.
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Associated Press writers Jennifer C. Kerr and Hope Yen contributed to this report from Washington.
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Defiant
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Too little, too late.
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Bush was in office for just over a year when it happened.....don't place all of the blame for the attacks on him. Clinton was in office eight years and had three times where they had Usama's location, and one time when Sudan's government offered to give us Usama. Clinton turned them all down.
Besides, it is not to late anyhow. Everyone is saying that there is a very high chance of another terrorist attack....I don't see how you can call acting upon this "too little, too late".
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They tell us there is a very high chance of another attack, to play into peoples fears, so that they can pawn off Bush's little personal vendetta, as justified.
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Personal Vendetta? Thousands of American people are killed, he tries to help make it so this won't happen again, and you call this his vendetta? Heh...
I think it's very good the recommendations are going into action...the intelligence system definitely needs some reform...
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | Bush was in office for just over a year when it happened.....don't place all of the blame for the attacks on him. Clinton was in office eight years and had three times where they had Usama's location, and one time when Sudan's government offered to give us Usama. Clinton turned them all down.
Besides, it is not to late anyhow. Everyone is saying that there is a very high chance of another terrorist attack....I don't see how you can call acting upon this "too little, too late". |
You were wrong there--and for the better. Bush was in office for EIGHT MONTHS, NOT EVEN a year. And yes, that is horrible. He was OFFERED Osama and had spotted him many times. But of course the Democrats won't let you know this. And yes, I don't see that either.
| Defiant wrote: | | They tell us there is a very high chance of another attack, to play into peoples fears, so that they can pawn off Bush's little personal vendetta, as justified. |
| B'Ellanna_Torrez wrote: | Personal Vendetta? Thousands of American people are killed, he tries to help make it so this won't happen again, and you call this his vendetta? Heh...
I think it's very good the recommendations are going into action...the intelligence system definitely needs some reform... |
What the heck are you speaking? B'Ellanna is right. Thousands of people died and terrorism is a prime concern, and you say that he is just using that to play into other peoples' fears? That's a HELL of an accusation, you fool. He is warning us about the chance of an attack, and you call that a Personal Vendetta. That is IDIOTIC. See, this is the major Liberal establishment, going off of HORRIBLE accusations. And I too think that it's good that the recommendations are going into action. Yikes, Defiant!
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They were offered Osama and they didn't take and imprison him? How many deaths could have been averted? That is sad news.......... 
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Defiant
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OK, so since when was Saddam Hussein attacking us with terrorism? Since when was he threatening the US? Since when were there any weapons in Iraq?
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Republican_Man
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| Defiant wrote: | | OK, so since when was Saddam Hussein attacking us with terrorism? Since when was he threatening the US? Since when were there any weapons in Iraq? |
You're back!
Okay, you're dodging the point like virtually ALL libs.
| Quote: | | They tell us there is a very high chance of another attack, to play into peoples fears, so that they can pawn off Bush's little personal vendetta, as justified. |
| Quote: | | What the heck are you speaking? B'Ellanna is right. Thousands of people died and terrorism is a prime concern, and you say that he is just using that to play into other peoples' fears? That's a HELL of an accusation, you fool. He is warning us about the chance of an attack, and you call that a Personal Vendetta. That is IDIOTIC. See, this is the major Liberal establishment, going off of HORRIBLE accusations. And I too think that it's good that the recommendations are going into action. Yikes, Defiant! |
What does Iraq have to do with that?
But to answer your question:
| Defiant wrote: | | OK, so since when was Saddam Hussein attacking us with terrorism? Since when was he threatening the US? Since when were there any weapons in Iraq? |
Here's what his ties to terrorism are:
-He has a HUGE link with Al Quada, just not to 9/11
-He WAS threatening the US with his WMDs and what the intel said
-There WERE weapons in Iraq in the past, and the intel said that. Blair said it. (As did MI6) Putin said it. Kerry said it. Chirak said it. The CIA said it. BOTH Clintons said it. Edwards said it. Lieberman said it. Dean said it. Kennedy said it. Daschall said it. Pelosi said it. Need I go on? It was NOT just Bush. The INTEL SAID IT. WE HAVE TO ACT ON INTELLIGENCE THAT SAYS THAT WE ARE IN DANGER. It's horrifying to think that you don't believe that.
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| Republican_Man wrote: | You're back!
Okay, you're dodging the point like virtually ALL libs. |
Don't Stereotype people, I'm Disliking having to remind you of that rule Constantly
| Republican_Man wrote: | | What does Iraq have to do with that? |
Uhhhhhh, let see, "Iraq has WMD's, They must be stopped!" = playing on people's fears
| Republican_Man wrote: | Here's what his ties to terrorism are:
-He has a HUGE link with Al Quada, just not to 9/11 |
No clear proof that Iraq has a connection with 9/11. And you're blowing the info out of proportion. He was known to have some ties, how much is unsure. That doesn't make it Huge.
| Republican_Man wrote: | -He WAS threatening the US with his WMDs and what the intel said
-There WERE weapons in Iraq in the past, and the intel said that. Blair said it. (As did MI6) Putin said it. Kerry said it. Chirak said it. The CIA said it. BOTH Clintons said it. Edwards said it. Lieberman said it. Dean said it. Kennedy said it. Daschall said it. Pelosi said it. Need I go on? It was NOT just Bush. The INTEL SAID IT. WE HAVE TO ACT ON INTELLIGENCE THAT SAYS THAT WE ARE IN DANGER. It's horrifying to think that you don't believe that. |
The Intel was Wrong. MI-6 Admits it, CIA admits it, Bush seems to be the only one that won't.
Stop passing the Buck. Everyone knows what intel was given, Bush did the wrong thing and Acted first, asked questions later.
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| Link, the Hero of Time wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | You're back!
Okay, you're dodging the point like virtually ALL libs. |
Don't Stereotype people, I'm Disliking having to remind you of that rule Constantly
I am sorry, but this is what I see in the majority of the Liberals that I hear speak to Sean Hannity or other hosts on the radio, friends of mine, and others like Defiant. But I will knock it down a bunch of notches for you. 
| Republican_Man wrote: | | What does Iraq have to do with that? |
Uhhhhhh, let see, "Iraq has WMD's, They must be stopped!" = playing on people's fears
That is NOT playing into people's fears. That is telling them that we have an imminent threat. Playing into peoples' fears is NOT letting us know about a threat. That is taking advantage of something like 9/11 to push a political agenda, and Bush is not doing that. If he is, tell me how.
| Republican_Man wrote: | Here's what his ties to terrorism are:
-He has a HUGE link with Al Quada, just not to 9/11 |
No clear proof that Iraq has a connection with 9/11. And you're blowing the info out of proportion. He was known to have some ties, how much is unsure. That doesn't make it Huge.
Where are you getting this information? The 9/11 Commission ACKNOWLEDGED a link, they just said that there was no link to Saddam with 9/11 (which is something Bush NEVER said). I've seen interviews with the 9/11 commission members, particularly the two leaders, and they acknowledged the link.
Here's one big thing: Al-Zawaquiri (You know who that is) was LIVING in Baghdad and got MEDICAL AIDE from Saddam. That is a link.
Also, there has been PROOF of a meeting between an Al Quada operative and an Iraqi official. There are also other proofs of links, as well as suspections.
I can safely say that I may have exagerated on the "Huge" comment. I meant that there was a decent size link between the two.
| Republican_Man wrote: | -He WAS threatening the US with his WMDs and what the intel said
-There WERE weapons in Iraq in the past, and the intel said that. Blair said it. (As did MI6) Putin said it. Kerry said it. Chirak said it. The CIA said it. BOTH Clintons said it. Edwards said it. Lieberman said it. Dean said it. Kennedy said it. Daschall said it. Pelosi said it. Need I go on? It was NOT just Bush. The INTEL SAID IT. WE HAVE TO ACT ON INTELLIGENCE THAT SAYS THAT WE ARE IN DANGER. It's horrifying to think that you don't believe that. |
The Intel was Wrong. MI-6 Admits it, CIA admits it, Bush seems to be the only one that won't.
Stop passing the Buck. Everyone knows what intel was given, Bush did the wrong thing and Acted first, asked questions later. |
What proof do you have that he ACTED FIRST, and asked questions later? From what I've seen, he kept ASKING ABOUT IT, and got the best intel possible.
And as I've said many, many times: If you receive intel from THREE DIFFERENT INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES and your CIA director says that it is a "Slam Dunk," then you HAVE to act on it. They ALL said that it was there. You HAVE to act after that--so he did NOT act too soon. And okay, so those groups admitted it, but I've seen some WMDs--not stockpiles yet, but WMD capabilities nonetheless, including saren gas. And who knows--we may find those stockpiles, such as in Syria or in Saddam's underground network (as in LITERALLY underground).
1 more note before I ask a question: Why do you ONLY talk about Bush? Yes, he's the President, but Kerry, Kennedy, Daschle, Edwards, both Clintons, etc, said this and the Congress VOTED for war, and so...
But Link, please tell me this: if you were the President of the United States and all those leaders and intelligence agencies told you about a serious threat, adding on that he supported terrorism and this is a time of terrorism, would you have gone to war? (Plus, diplomacy ran out and Saddam broke UN resolutions 14 times, broke the Gulf War Cease Fire Treaty 17 times, and wouldn't let UN weapons inspectors in (then what did he have to hide?)
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Defiant wrote: | | OK, so since when was Saddam Hussein attacking us with terrorism? Since when was he threatening the US? Since when were there any weapons in Iraq? |
You're back!
Okay, you're dodging the point like virtually ALL libs. |
Republican_Man, continue stereotyping, and I'll warn you. State your point in a way that doesn't offend others, and doesn't make accusations towards users.
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| Jadzia Lenara Dax wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Defiant wrote: | | OK, so since when was Saddam Hussein attacking us with terrorism? Since when was he threatening the US? Since when were there any weapons in Iraq? |
You're back!
Okay, you're dodging the point like virtually ALL libs. |
Republican_Man, continue stereotyping, and I'll warn you. State your point in a way that doesn't offend others, and doesn't make accusations towards users. |
That was a while ago, and it's what I believe, and if you don't agree with it, then I'm sorry, but I don't believe that I'm stereotyping there, but that, as I said, was a while ago, and give me an example of me doing it sense in this forum?
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You were stereotyping, by saying that "ALL libs dodge the point". It may be your opinion, however you can't post it if it's disrespectful.
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Republican_Man, as I just told you in another topic, you're free to state your opinion--but not if it's aimed at insulting another user. Don't push your luck.
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This is getting ridiculous. Enough with the sterotyping excuse. You know you just dont like what he has to say. It is the truth. I know it offends you but guess what? When you say Bush is a liar WE get offended. We counterpoint not say "stop saying that! we dont like it!". Thats what a debate is. It seems most posters just want gang up on him.
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| Founder wrote: | | This is getting ridiculous. Enough with the sterotyping excuse. You know you just dont like what he has to say. It is the truth. I know it offends you but guess what? When you say Bush is a liar WE get offended. We counterpoint not say "stop saying that! we dont like it!". Thats what a debate is. It seems most posters just want gang up on him. |
That's because most users are smarter than you
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If he does not get warned for that.......
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Crashoveride and Founder, 1 warning each. Founder, I strongly advise you to find some other method of phrasing your arguements.
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| Founder wrote: | | If he does not get warned for that....... |
please don't be offended, I meant it in a good way
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| Founder wrote: | | This is getting ridiculous. Enough with the sterotyping excuse. You know you just dont like what he has to say. It is the truth. I know it offends you but guess what? When you say Bush is a liar WE get offended. We counterpoint not say "stop saying that! we dont like it!". Thats what a debate is. It seems most posters just want gang up on him. |
This IS ridiculous, Jadzia!!! Give me a warning, I don't give a damn!
You don't like what I have to say, as Founder so elequently stated, and so when we "stereotype," you disagree with it! And yet when your Liberal buddies say horrible things, you let it ride! Come on!
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| Crash Overide wrote: | | Founder wrote: | | This is getting ridiculous. Enough with the sterotyping excuse. You know you just dont like what he has to say. It is the truth. I know it offends you but guess what? When you say Bush is a liar WE get offended. We counterpoint not say "stop saying that! we dont like it!". Thats what a debate is. It seems most posters just want gang up on him. |
That's because most users are smarter than you |
It's posts like this that make me wonder why Crash Overide was not nominated for user of the month.
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Tell me something Krye and reat of you liberals, what if the tables was turn and we was bashing Kerry, and you did not like it. What guess what if Kerry gets elected if I am not saying that he will but if, I will bash him all to hell, excuse my language and maybe you liberals know how it feels.
I don't really want to sound so mean probably get warned but right now imagine how would you feel if it was turned around and Kerry was President now, and people was bashing him?
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| Kyre wrote: | | Crash Overide wrote: | | Founder wrote: | | This is getting ridiculous. Enough with the sterotyping excuse. You know you just dont like what he has to say. It is the truth. I know it offends you but guess what? When you say Bush is a liar WE get offended. We counterpoint not say "stop saying that! we dont like it!". Thats what a debate is. It seems most posters just want gang up on him. |
That's because most users are smarter than you |
It's posts like this that make me wonder why Crash Overide was not nominated for user of the month.
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What? That guy, who interrupted a debate on IRAQ to say that Reagan was a liar and a crook and a backstabber with NOTHING to back it up and is now saying these comments was nominated! What is STV coming to!?
| kmma wrote: | | Tell me something Krye and reat of you liberals, what if the tables was turn and we was bashing Kerry, and you did not like it. What guess what if Kerry gets elected if I am not saying that he will but if, I will bash him all to hell, excuse my language and maybe you liberals know how it feels. |
Kmma, please, I see what you are saying, but do NOT sink to their level! Please, don't!
And also, I want Theresa to come back! The debates are even better with her in them, plus these pitiful excuses of "stereotyping" wouldn't be a big deal--even if the Libs stereotyped the Cons.
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Ok. I wont . Thank you RM. I lost it there for a sec.
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