Fahrenheit 9/11

[Seven of Nine]

The War on Terror will never be won, not unless the plan is to destroy everything on this planet.

[Puck]

I did not say it could ever be won completly, but it will benefit the world. However, it was my mistake to respond with that as an example to Kyre. It was not and "aggressive" war as he called it. We were attacked. Usama started this war, not the US.

[Seven of Nine]

Erm, Saddam had nothing to do with 11th September, so you can't say that because Osama started the war we have to attack Saddam. That's like saying (sorry for this example) that because Theresa yelled at you you have to yell at Jeff Miller!

[Puck]

I did not saay the war in Iraq, I said the war on terror, which included Afghanistan, and may or may not have included Iraq......there is some evidence that Al-Queda had ties....what kind of ties, I don't know....but ties, with Saddam. That part remains to be seen. I think Iran may have been a better country to deal with than Iraq....would have made more of an impact on terror, but hey....

[Arellia]

Anyone who would harbor terrorists--which Saddam would--or spread viloent hatred of other countries to his people--which Saddam did--is a threat. I also agree with Janeway, I thought there were a few better targets than Iraq, but I personally think that Iraq has needed to be dealt with for a very long time anyway. I don't think many people can deny that Saddam is/was a very dangerous, very violent man.

[Leo Wyatt]

Look at what saddam did to his people and to the people who wanted to try to win the election against him. Saddam would order the man death and all his family so he may still be leader of Iraq. And his people he killed and let starve. Saddam needed to be stopped.

[Pah-Wraith]

Kmma,

President Mubarak of Egypt is known to take out any REAL Opposition and yet America does nothing about him. Colonel Qaddhafi openly has a Dictatorship or "Strongman Democracy" and yet nothing happens to him.

The Kurds and Shi'ites that you refer to being Opressed are not "his own people" the Shi'ites are mainly Persian and the Kurds are Kurdish. Anyways the U.S knew about the goings on of his Baathist Regime when they gave him Weapons to fight Iran.

[Theresa]

"Circumstances change; judgements made in good faith yesterday are often a problem tomorrow. We can't control these changes any more than the Soviets or the Chinese can."

^Written nearly 20 years ago. Still holds true.

Oh, look, the Egyptians are persecuted, and so are the Columbians, and so on and so on. And look, the US isn't doing anything about it. What would you have us do? Have you ever heard of "one at a time"? Eliminate the greatest threat? Like Torrez said, "terrorists, or those who harbor them," That alone gives reason for the situation in Iraq. You can fixate on "WMD'S" all you want. I understand, it's convenient for you to ignore everything else, it somehow makes you feel as if you are validated.
Welcome to the real world. Money talks. Could you imagine the backlash if the US were to go after the Egyptian president right now? Like you'd support it... You bring it up, but from reading your past posts, you'd be one of the first to condemn such an action.
Make your choice. Either support the war on terrorism, or don't. You can't say one second, "The US needs to get out of Iraq", and the next, "Why isn't the US doing anything about Egypt?" And how much more clear can it be than in this tiny little part of the world, (STV). The world wants the US to be their puppets. Too bad.

[Theresa]

[Pah-Wraith]

I didn't mention WMDs once, In fact I don't think any argument I have put up in WN revolves around WMDs.

I had no objection to the War once it had started, my only concern was that the Backlash of Xenophobia that had risen during the start of the War on Terror would escalate to such a Scale that the Far-Right in the UK would be able to Win more Seats near where I live.

I always had been against the Baathist Regime and did feel that if the West allowed Saddam to rule the Country until his natural/other cause of death that the Country would fall into the Hands of his Son, Uday who is known to have been even more Psychotic than Saddam.

I am actually a Supporter of the New Iraqi Intern Govt, and I feel that the Coalition did more Good than harm in the War. However I will criticise what deserves to be Criticised like the Abu Ghraib Prison Photos. I also hate hearing Arguments that focus on an Issue that other Countries are well guilty of and make it sound like Iraq was the only Country carrying out these Methods.

Surely even you Theresa are suspicious of Halliburton getting their hands on so many of the Contracts in Iraq and Dick Cheney's link to it.

I don't think the U.S should do anything about Egypt, because I don't believe that the U.S is there to give Freedom or Deliver "God's gift to te World". The U.S is simply the Super-Power of our Time and it shouldn't be responsible for everything, or think it is.

[Theresa]

Not everything I said was in direct response to you, that would be why I didn't quote you,
Suspicious, yes. Know all of the facts? No. And neither does anyone else, (the general public), for that matter.
And everyone deserves freedom. The Columbian people themselves complain because we don't interfere in all of the coups, etc... It's so very easy for those born free to say, "Oh, they don't really want freedom, we shouldn't force it on them." How do you know? I know the reverse question can be asked, but how do you know? EVERYONE deserves the opportunity. Like with the situation in Iraq. They've never been free, naturally they don't know what to do with themselves.
Seems most everyone here takes their freedom for granted. How nice. We already know that the Iraqi civilians did ask for help, and so are many others. Those with power should help those without.
A schoolyard bully is beating on a small, sickly child, and here you are, 6'5", 265 lbs, all muscle, and you are going to just stand there and watch and feel good about yourself?
As for the xenophobia, the US has tried to make it clear that they are not targeting a race of people. If others choose not to accept that, that's their choice. Not really much anyone can do about it.
Everyone is sickened by the prison photos... No one condones them. It's war. Things happen. Because we are civilized, we aren't to react emotionally? I love how quickly we forget the beheading of an American civilian, and how that no longer bothers anyone. And I loved seeing how many topics popped up after each beheading... Everyone certainly had something to say about humiliating prisoners....