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Leo Wyatt
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So you saying God's word is a lie? The almighty God a lie. thats your opinion. But I don't want to start a fight here. Do you have proof that it won't happen? How do you know? I got God true word to back it up. The bible. I will give sripture if need be but as I said who needs to fight about this stuff again.
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Wed Jun 30, 2004 12:52 pm |
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I never said that...
And nobody is fighting, it's a debate.
Your "proof" is a 2,000 year old book, written by people who you belive were "divinely inspired". You can cite scripture all you want, it's a BOOK. I can cite things from Valley of the Dolls, and lets say that I believe that Jacqueline Susann is god (divinely inspired), does that make it truth?
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Leo Wyatt
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| Wed Jun 30, 2004 12:57 pm |
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Then I apologize I did not spell that right. Why do people have to bring up this religion again anyway cause it only will start an arguement. Well just in case I be more not forceful I caught myself again.lol
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Jadzia Lenara Dax
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| Fri Jul 02, 2004 5:19 pm |
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"Adamist," though I've never heard that term before. I believe that God created the world, and us, and so on. Don't see any logic in evolution--where did the original creature come from? Science doesn't seem to be able to trace back far enough.
And Aaron, you want to claim that a book written about drug addiction is the holy truth? Your decision to make, my friend, but that'd be a pretty sad world.
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Toad
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| Fri Jul 02, 2004 5:23 pm |
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No offense to anyone. I just wanted to see if the christians here would not be ashamed to speak out.
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Jadzia Lenara Dax
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| Fri Jul 02, 2004 6:04 pm |
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Not ashamed to speak out  I'm sure you didn't have some villainous ulterior motive, heh.
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Captain Dappet
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| Fri Jul 02, 2004 6:10 pm |
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| Jadzia Lenara Dax wrote: | "Adamist," though I've never heard that term before. I believe that God created the world, and us, and so on. Don't see any logic in evolution--where did the original creature come from? Science doesn't seem to be able to trace back far enough.
And Aaron, you want to claim that a book written about drug addiction is the holy truth? Your decision to make, my friend, but that'd be a pretty sad world. |
I'm pretty sure that's not what Aaron meant. What he means is that the Bible is just a BOOK. Like any other book. Pieces of paper with text, and additionally, the Bible is 2000 years old. There is NO WAY everything in it could possibly be true.
Memories and stories tend to get exaggurated and changes only within weeks. Imagine 2000 years. It's almost defenite that many things have been lost in translation too.
These are not my words, and they were meant to be a joke but I find them pretty interesting, no offense meant to anyone.
"There is a group of people who are fanatically into the book called Lord of the Rings. These people are called geeks. There is another group, who's into a book called the Bible. These are called Christians"
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Toad
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| Fri Jul 02, 2004 8:17 pm |
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| Captain Dappet wrote: | | Jadzia Lenara Dax wrote: | "Adamist," though I've never heard that term before. I believe that God created the world, and us, and so on. Don't see any logic in evolution--where did the original creature come from? Science doesn't seem to be able to trace back far enough.
And Aaron, you want to claim that a book written about drug addiction is the holy truth? Your decision to make, my friend, but that'd be a pretty sad world. |
I'm pretty sure that's not what Aaron meant. What he means is that the Bible is just a BOOK. Like any other book. Pieces of paper with text, and additionally, the Bible is 2000 years old. There is NO WAY everything in it could possibly be true.
Memories and stories tend to get exaggurated and changes only within weeks. Imagine 2000 years. It's almost defenite that many things have been lost in translation too.
These are not my words, and they were meant to be a joke but I find them pretty interesting, no offense meant to anyone.
"There is a group of people who are fanatically into the book called Lord of the Rings. These people are called geeks. There is another group, who's into a book called the Bible. These are called Christians" |
I'll keep my thoughts to myself this time.  
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Fri Jul 02, 2004 11:24 pm |
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| Captain Dappet wrote: | | Jadzia Lenara Dax wrote: | "Adamist," though I've never heard that term before. I believe that God created the world, and us, and so on. Don't see any logic in evolution--where did the original creature come from? Science doesn't seem to be able to trace back far enough.
And Aaron, you want to claim that a book written about drug addiction is the holy truth? Your decision to make, my friend, but that'd be a pretty sad world. |
I'm pretty sure that's not what Aaron meant. What he means is that the Bible is just a BOOK. Like any other book. Pieces of paper with text, and additionally, the Bible is 2000 years old. There is NO WAY everything in it could possibly be true. |
Exactly, was just trying to make a point,
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PrankishSmart
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| Lt.CmdrWorf wrote: | | .....do you have any proof that we all evolved from a lower life form?..... |
Depends. Scientists have made many intresting discoverys on the matter, and in terms of proof, the evolution theory is more, much more, in favour.
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PrankishSmart
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| kmma wrote: | | It like this, The bible says Jesus died and rose again. He went up to heaven. He promise to come back again. And his word is true and just. When we all unexpect it we will all see the truth and proof. But I am not forcing. Everybody got their life to live. But question. What will those who dont believe in God do when Jesus does comes back, get his children and leave you behind. to face what said it is gonna happen in the book of Revelations in the bible. Just a simple question not to push or force. |
I think it is safe to say we are all going to be long dead before any of that will happen 
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Jeff Miller
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| Sat Jul 03, 2004 1:58 am |
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I remember talking to my cousin when the whole thing about Jesus started up again and he made a point. I would like to see what would happen if he did come back and decided to come back in the area of South central LA they would see him as another strung out druged hippie and probably shoot him. I'm not trying to upset anyone its just I doubt that if he did exist he'll be back given the climate of things today.
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Seven of Nine
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Joined: 16 Jun 2001
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| Sat Jul 03, 2004 6:00 am |
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*points at siggy for my view on the Bible (no offence intended... came off a site where you have to condense you favourite book into 25 words or less).
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Arellia
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Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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| Sat Jul 03, 2004 11:04 am |
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| PrankishSmart wrote: |
Depends. Scientists have made many intresting discoverys on the matter, and in terms of proof, the evolution theory is more, much more, in favour. |
The reason I have a problem with evolution is quite simple: probability and statistics. Can you imagine all the chance that goes into evolution??? How much would've been involved in evolving one pool of guck (Or tidepool, or collection of chemicals around hydrothermic vents) becoming everything we see today? Everything? Really...How can one follow logic through that? And that's assuming that this was able to bounce back after even the paleolithic era...the chances involved in that are uneblievable. Every single adaptation in the world...I can't even concieve of the numbers against that idea. But perhaps someone could enlighten me here.
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Captain Dappet
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| Sat Jul 03, 2004 1:32 pm |
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How can one follow the logic in that some entity suddenly thought "Hey! I think I'll create the Universe and put humans in it!" and so he did that. Just like that. That is just....impossible, really. There is nothing to back it up, except a book.
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Arellia
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| Sat Jul 03, 2004 1:54 pm |
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If you don't have a difinitive answer for any one question, then everything is possible. Scientists, people who study this stuff, make no difinitives. None. They can't rule out anything, because they don't have an answer for anything. Everything is always a theory. May or may not be true, subject to change. Such is evolution. As many answers that may come up, as many ideas as there may be, there is one truth out of all of it. Science isn't finding that truth. It's creating theories. Interesting theories, but theories none the less.
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Captain Dappet
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| Sat Jul 03, 2004 2:31 pm |
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Well, you sure don't have a definite answer that there is a God. And to me, Science seems way more likely than some entity, or some force just created the universe.
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Arellia
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| Sat Jul 03, 2004 2:39 pm |
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*sighs* These goodie-goodie Christians who will tell you just believe and it'll all be okay, don't look farther, just take comfort in that you'll live forever give us a bad name. I can hardly think of a religion more demeaned and put-down than Christianity. It's not a baby religion, it's not some freak cult with a bunch of idiots who just want to feel good. (Although there's a great deal of them) It's a serious religion. A religion that's can be backed with documentation, history, proof in fortelling of the future in this little book everyone's pointing a finger at. The thought that science and God don't mingle would send me packing.
Did I say I don't have a difinitive answer there is God? No, I didn't. If I didn't believe it, if I couldn't prove it to myself, if I couldn't do everything in my power to follow other theories and still end up where I started, I wouldn't defend it.
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Captain Dappet
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| Sat Jul 03, 2004 2:46 pm |
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For me, all Religions are totally unrealistic and unbelievable. I don't see Christianity different from any other Religion.
In my opinion, Religion does far more harm than it does good.
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Arellia
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| Sat Jul 03, 2004 2:48 pm |
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*shrugs* Ah, well, I've said my piece.  Although, no one's taken on the probability question...I'd really like to see how one can rationalize it, and I'm serious. I've never been able to figure that one out.
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Sat Jul 03, 2004 3:27 pm |
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Well, about probability, it's much more likely that evolution created man, than "God" did.
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"Nelly, I am Heathcliff! He's always, always in my mind: not as a pleasure, any more than I am always a pleasure to myself, but as my own being."
-Wuthering Heights
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Toad
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| Sat Jul 03, 2004 3:49 pm |
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I see that Satan's demons are not taking the day off. They are feeding lies and decieve people from the truth.
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Captain Dappet
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| Sat Jul 03, 2004 4:13 pm |
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Show me "the truth" and I will acknowledge it. And I mean show it to me. Not show me some book. Or tell me something hokey-pokey about that he loves me, regardless of what I do. I want some REAL evidence. And to me, a 2,000 year old book is not proof enough for me to believe.
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Jeff Miller
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| Sat Jul 03, 2004 4:18 pm |
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| Lt.CmdrWorf wrote: | | I see that Satan's demons are not taking the day off. They are feeding lies and decieve people from the truth. |
I maybe misunderstanding feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but are you saying we are demons because we beleive in evoloution rather creation? if I am right in what I'm sensing than I feel that I should tell you that your out of place saying we are demons if that was your point in your statement.
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Link, the Hero of Time
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| Sat Jul 03, 2004 5:25 pm |
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| Lt.CmdrWorf wrote: | | Even if you don't believe in creation, do you have any proof that we all evolved from a lower life form? |
Yes. Through the study of Genetics, Scientists have proven that our Closest ancestor to which we share numerous amounts of Genetic similarities with is the Chimpanzee.
This fact along with the Archaeological finds of many Skeletons which have both Human and Chimp-like traits prove that we have evolved from lower life forms.
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