| Who should be responsible for the trial of Saddam Hussein? |
| The United States |
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| The New Iraqi Government |
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| An International Court |
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Jeff Miller
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 Fri Jun 18, 2004 11:13 am Who should be responsible for the trial of Saddam Hussein? |
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This is a plain and simple poll 3 simple answers just say who you think should hold him for trial and why.
Here are the current Results so far from the local newspaper that I got this from keep in mind these numbers will not be the same if you check it out from the time that I made this poll. If you would like to check out the poll you can go to www.tdn.com. 
The United States 11.4%
The New Iraqi Government 41.5%
An International Court 47.2%
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Jeff Miller
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| Fri Jun 18, 2004 11:14 am |
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I think that Iraq should have him because most of his damage was to his people remember what he did to the Kurds?
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superwoman
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| Fri Jun 18, 2004 11:21 am |
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I don't think Iraq is ready to do it on there own, and why should USA do it? No I think an international court would be the most logical alternetive
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Jun 18, 2004 9:19 pm |
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| superwoman wrote: | | I don't think Iraq is ready to do it on there own, and why should USA do it? No I think an international court would be the most logical alternetive |
I disagree.
1st: Iraq MUST begin participating in processes such as this--especially since the vast majority of the misdeeds--no, Evildoings--of Saddam were to HIS people--the Iraqi people.
2nd: The USA has the right to do it because WE were the ones who lead the war effort and felt in great trouble because of him, remember?
3rd: What the hell would an international court do? There is NO way that an international court would work.
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Link, the Hero of Time
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| Sat Jun 19, 2004 1:13 am |
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The Iraqi people should have the right to try him, not the U.S. It doesn't matter that we lead the war effort. He didn't commit major attrocities to our people. The Iraqi people have the right to seek justice for what he did to them.
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Gladiator
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| Sat Jun 19, 2004 1:15 am |
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The US should give him life in prison atleast while the Iraquis are not trustworthy. They might make him king again 
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LightningBoy
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| Sat Jun 19, 2004 1:23 am |
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Iraq should do it themselves, how better to start a new government's life than to sentence the world's most evil person? It'd make a great symbol, and give Iraq some unity.
If not, then the U.S. should, since we took him down, it's only logical that we'd do it.
International Court? Why? They didn't want to take him down, they shouldn't have the priviledge of sentencing him. Kinda like taking credit for someone elses work, eh?
Plus, if we let Iraq do it, and they screw it up, then we can always try him on our own time after that.
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superwoman
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| Sat Jun 19, 2004 3:30 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | I disagree. |
Oh, that's unusual... I like to debate with you thou.
| Republican_Man wrote: | | 3rd: What the hell would an international court do? There is NO way that an international court would work. |
Why wouldn't it work?
Everyone knows what Sadam did, and it's not like they'll free him anyhow. In this way it would also be a totally impartical court, a court outside of the war. And the Iraq goverment isn't strong enoght to do this yet, u bombed them remember 
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Republican_Man
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| Sat Jun 19, 2004 5:09 pm |
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| Quote: | | The Iraqi people should have the right to try him, not the U.S. It doesn't matter that we lead the war effort. He didn't commit major attrocities to our people. The Iraqi people have the right to seek justice for what he did to them. |
This is a SHOCKER!!!  [b] I actually agree with Link right there!!!! Although the US does have the right to hold the trial because WE lead the War Effort, the job goes to the Iraqis.
| Gladiator wrote: | | The US should give him life in prison atleast while the Iraquis are not trustworthy. They might make him king again |
What makes you say that this time around the Iraqis will take him back as their leader? Have you been listening to the media too much? ALMOST ALL IRAQIS SUPPORT THE US WAR.
| superwoman wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | I disagree. |
Oh, that's unusual... I like to debate with you thou.
| Republican_Man wrote: | | 3rd: What the hell would an international court do? There is NO way that an international court would work. |
Why wouldn't it work?
Everyone knows what Sadam did, and it's not like they'll free him anyhow. In this way it would also be a totally impartical court, a court outside of the war. And the Iraq goverment isn't strong enoght to do this yet, u bombed them remember |
Guess what: Even France and Germany and many more knew what Saddam did and aknowledged the inteligence in Iraq, yet did they go to war? No.
And what makes you say that the new Iraqi government won't be strong enough to do the trial? OF COURSE THEY WILL BE. So we bombed them--that stopped Saddam's regime but they're GREATLY recovering--or do you just trust the media 100%?
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Pah-Wraith
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| Sat Jun 19, 2004 5:11 pm |
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I think the New Iraqi Government should have the opportunity to put Saddam on trial, after all it was their people who he tortured and Slaughtered so it's only right. Especially if we want th Iraqi Government to appreciate the fact that it is them now running the country and not either the U.N or the Coalition (despite all the help they are still providing).
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superwoman
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| Sat Jun 19, 2004 6:22 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | Guess what: Even France and Germany and many more knew what Saddam did and aknowledged the inteligence in Iraq, yet did they go to war? No.
And what makes you say that the new Iraqi government won't be strong enough to do the trial? OF COURSE THEY WILL BE. So we bombed them--that stopped Saddam's regime but they're GREATLY recovering--or do you just trust the media 100%? |
I don't trust media! Not until I resived the facts from another sorce. Therefor I am very sceptical. Do you trust everything media says?
I could name many more countries that has a terrible dictator, do the USA do anything about them??? No! Do France do anything about them? No. Germany? No. Nobody does. So that's not gonna hold as an argument.
And I would like Iraq to hold the trial, but right now, I don't think they are capable to do that. When time comes and they are back on there feets... maybe.
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Republican_Man
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| Sat Jun 19, 2004 6:30 pm |
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| superwoman wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | Guess what: Even France and Germany and many more knew what Saddam did and aknowledged the inteligence in Iraq, yet did they go to war? No.
And what makes you say that the new Iraqi government won't be strong enough to do the trial? OF COURSE THEY WILL BE. So we bombed them--that stopped Saddam's regime but they're GREATLY recovering--or do you just trust the media 100%? |
I don't trust media! Not until I resived the facts from another sorce. Therefor I am very sceptical. Do you trust everything media says?
I could name many more countries that has a terrible dictator, do the USA do anything about them??? No! Do France do anything about them? No. Germany? No. Nobody does. So that's not gonna hold as an argument.
And I would like Iraq to hold the trial, but right now, I don't think they are capable to do that. When time comes and they are back on there feets... maybe. |
| Quote: | | I could name many more countries that has a terrible dictator, do the USA do anything about them??? No! Do France do anything about them? No. Germany? No. Nobody does. So that's not gonna hold as an argument. |
YOU are the one who is making a horrible arguement.
We went in for GOOD reasons, but now that the Iraqis are gaining control they have EVERY RIGHT TO TRY THE JERK. He killed them and committed atrocoticies. Yes, we didn't go into another country, but that's because IRAQ was the threat. But now that the Iraqis are gaining control, they should hold the trial. Your arguement above is FAR FROM VALID.
Iraq NEEDS the experience. They are ready to do the trial--plus, it will make them feel that they have more control over their country.
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Theresa
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| Sat Jun 19, 2004 10:50 pm |
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Why not Iraq and the US? Or Iraq and the coalition countries? Yes, it is Iraq that he did those terrible things to, but it is also the coalition that got him out of there.
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Republican_Man
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| Sat Jun 19, 2004 10:58 pm |
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| Theresa wrote: | | Why not Iraq and the US? Or Iraq and the coalition countries? Yes, it is Iraq that he did those terrible things to, but it is also the coalition that got him out of there. |
Good point. That might work.
I would say, in order of the proper possiblities, it would be:
1) Iraqis
2) Iraq & the US
3) Iraq & the US-Lead Coalition
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sabertooth1217
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| Sat Jun 19, 2004 11:13 pm |
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Saddam did more than attack only Iraq (If Attack would be the word to use) He affected the US aswell. The US Troops were the ones to capture Saddam not Iraq and I believe becaue we found him, we should be the ones to decide his fate. I 100% agree that the US should not have all of the power, but should we really think of giving Saddam's future into someone elses hands? Right now the one and only country that I trust is the United States of America. We cannot turn Saddam over to get a punisment that doesn't fit all that he has done, we really do not know what other countrys (Or ours for that matter) would do if they got controll of Saddam all to themselves. The very best idea that i can agree on is that both the US and Iraq should decide together, but have the US have the final say in the matter. I also do not believe in the death sentence, If I were Bush I would have Saddam Placed in Jail (The same type which hannable lecter got (sorry if that wasn't a true story; not sure if it was or wasnt)). If Saddam were to be killed, then It would be less pain for him to have in the end.
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superwoman
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| Republican_Man wrote: |
YOU are the one who is making a horrible arguement.
We went in for GOOD reasons, but now that the Iraqis are gaining control they have EVERY RIGHT TO TRY THE JERK. He killed them and committed atrocoticies. Yes, we didn't go into another country, but that's because IRAQ was the threat. But now that the Iraqis are gaining control, they should hold the trial. Your arguement above is FAR FROM VALID.
Iraq NEEDS the experience. They are ready to do the trial--plus, it will make them feel that they have more control over their country. |
What are the reasons??? I'm VERY curios over here! Massdestruction weponds? Well you didn't find any, am I right? AM I RIGHT? AND BTW DO USA NOT HAVE THOSE KIND OF WEPONDS??? AM I RIGHT? I'M RIGHT. Should we BOMB YOU for that??? According to YOU, YES!
IRAQ was the TREAT? To whom? USA? selfish? NOOOO.... NOT AT ALL.... So It's ok that thosends of people get killed of in Rwanda, as long as the killers aren't a TREAT TO THE USA!!! OH MY MICHAEL! I'M GONNA FAINT OVER HERE! OH MY OH MY! Now I REALLY want to hear what you have as to defend all this!
And fine let Iraq hold the trial so it would be over with!
Oh happy day, I'm winning 
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Theresa
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| Sun Jun 20, 2004 10:26 am |
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What are the reasons??? I'm VERY curios over here! Massdestruction weponds? Well you didn't find any, am I right? AM I RIGHT? AND BTW DO USA NOT HAVE THOSE KIND OF WEPONDS??? AM I RIGHT? I'M RIGHT. Should we BOMB YOU for that??? According to YOU, YES! |
Darling, the US is not run by a dictator who kills his own people for not performing well at the Olympics... Nor do his children have women killed and take their husbands, and then kill the husbands after they've finished with them. Our president doesn't forcibly take people and make them have recontstructive surgery so that they can be his double. Are you understanding the difference now? Our president cannot fire said weapons without going through many different channels first. Still gettting it? If not, Saddam did all of those things. And, they have found many components for WMD's in Iraq. You people who think SH would have left a marker saying, "WMD'S HERE" really amuse me. Or sadden me, either works,
| Quote: | IRAQ was the TREAT? To whom? USA? selfish? NOOOO.... NOT AT ALL.... So It's ok that thosends of people get killed of in Rwanda, as long as the killers aren't a TREAT TO THE USA!!! OH MY MICHAEL! I'M GONNA FAINT OVER HERE! OH MY OH MY! Now I REALLY want to hear what you have as to defend all this!
And fine let Iraq hold the trial so it would be over with! |
The US goes after Saddam, and the world says it's wrong, even though he was one of many dictators murdering his own people. If the US moves to Rwanda next, you'll all say that we are taking it upon ourselves to clean up the world, who do we think we are? etc... Your argument there is not valid. And, naturally we'd go after those who are a more immediate threat to us... it's only logical. Just because the media no longer covers it doesn't mean there isn't still a war in Afghanistan.
| Quote: | | Oh happy day, I'm winning |
This isn't a game. It's a discussion. There are no winners or losers. If you can't compose yourself better than this, (handle, control) I'll have to ask you to refrain from posting in WN until you are able to do so.
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superwoman
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| Sun Jun 20, 2004 10:56 am |
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| Theresa wrote: |
Darling, the US is not run by a dictator who kills his own people for not performing well at the Olympics... Nor do his children have women killed and take their husbands, and then kill the husbands after they've finished with them. Our president doesn't forcibly take people and make them have recontstructive surgery so that they can be his double.
Are you understanding the difference now? Our president cannot fire said weapons without going through many different channels first. Still gettting it? If not, Saddam did all of those things. And, they have found many components for WMD's in Iraq. You people who think SH would have left a marker saying, "WMD'S HERE" really amuse me. Or sadden me, either works,
The US goes after Saddam, and the world says it's wrong, even though he was one of many dictators murdering his own people. If the US moves to Rwanda next, you'll all say that we are taking it upon ourselves to clean up the world, who do we think we are? etc... Your argument there is not valid. And, naturally we'd go after those who are a more immediate threat to us... it's only logical. Just because the media no longer covers it doesn't mean there isn't still a war in Afghanistan. |
I never said your president would do those things! And I don't think it's easy for anyone to fire nuclear weapons, someone would notise. And who would want to do that? It's like dropping a bomb on yourself.
I also haven't said that it was wrong to capture Sadam! I just can't understand why he didn't went for the worst dictators... Anyway, why did Usa choose to attack Iraq? It wasn't the biggest treat, many countries have nuclear weapons (and we don't even know that Iraq had those weapons. I would say it's better to... how do you say this... "fria �n f�lla" ... in translation something like: free then judge). And there are many other dictators that need to be... removed
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This isn't a game. It's a discussion. There are no winners or losers. If you can't compose yourself better than this, (handle, control) I'll have to ask you to refrain from posting in WN until you are able to do so. |
Hey! Lighten up, I was just kidding there. I know this isn't a game (but if it would be, then I would win  ) And I do take this discussion very serious. I was just annoied about Republican_Man using All those capital letters, so it looked like he was screaming at me... No biggi here
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Theresa
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| Sun Jun 20, 2004 11:02 am |
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He always uses caps. Perhaps someone could teach him the bold code. That's irrelevant. And reading through this, I don't see as how you would "win", but that's just me.
You compared the US having WMD's to Iraq. The US has a stable government. Apparently you missed the point I was trying to make, perhaps I was too generic in my examples. WMD's in the hands of a stable government, or in the hands of a crazed dictator. I'd think the choice would be obvious, but hey, again, that's just me.
And I addressed the "why go after Saddam" comment. Perhaps you need to reread my reply?
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superwoman
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| Sun Jun 20, 2004 11:34 am |
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(I allways win when I'm in a discussion )
Sorry, I have no id� what WMD stands for, please tell me so I can answer
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Theresa
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| Sun Jun 20, 2004 11:41 am |
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You'll forgive me if I don't believe that.
WMD Weapons of Mass Destruction
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superwoman
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AHA! Sorry, I truely didn't get it. maybe if it had an O in it, then I'd have notis... Well well shame on me. 
So you're saying that Iraq's goverment isn't stable, or wasn't stable...? Coz if it still isn't, then I wouldn't want them to "handle" Saddam. And what I've seen it isn't stable yet, but then again I haven't been there... have you?
And if you have a stable goverment does that mean that you're not gonna fire your WoMD, and if thats so why do you bother to have them at all??? They must cost very much to have and have to deal with.
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Theresa
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| Sun Jun 20, 2004 10:13 pm |
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The international abbreviation is WMD's.
And if you don't know why a country would have such things as nukes, then I see no further point in discussing this with you, as you would clearly be ill equipped in such a conversation.
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AndrewBullock
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| Mon Jun 21, 2004 11:20 am |
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I think the Americans should do it. We found him so we charge him. The Iraqi's won't give him a good enough punishment for what he did. We Americans (By saying we I of coures mean me) know what happend to the people that died and I will not stand by and let him get a slap on the wrist and get told to never do it again. We want justice for the people that died in 9/11. People, children lost thier mom's and dad's in those buildings. Some lost both. We also have to think of the people that were on the planes. You can't help but imagine what those people went trough that day.
I don't want friends to die or fade away. And they won't becasue Americans can and will give him a horrible punishment.
Thank you for your time.
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Starbuck
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| Mon Jun 21, 2004 12:05 pm |
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I think an international court because the things he did effected other nations too.
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