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PostTue May 11, 2004 6:05 pm    Questions for experienced writers

Hi, as I've said before on this forum, it is my ultimate ambition to one day be a writer of childrens fiction or maybe both childrens and adult fiction. However, I'm still learning very much and I'm nowhere near as good as I would need to be to consider approaching an agent or publisher.

If there are any experienced writers out there, could you please answer the following questions as best as you can? I'd be particularly interested to hear from anyone who has won writing awards, whether they be at school or elsewhere, and those who have had work published whether that be in a book or a magazine or comic?


Here's the questions. I know it's a lot to ask but any help would be appreciated from anyone who can.

1.) When choosing names for characters, is there any method to learn which particular names are more likely to appeal to would be readers?

2.) Is there a particular method of making sure you have enough story ideas in your head to last a lifetime?

3.) Should I use a pen name? If so, why?

4.) Are there any techniques for dealing with writers block?

Thank you.


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PostThu May 20, 2004 2:33 pm    

I don't know if I can call myself an experienced writer, but for #1 I have to say that you should choose the name that suits the character the best.
You could also try to put some work behind finding a name, for example a name that means something in another language; names meaning "star" and such are actually quite common.

The name, at least for the main character, shouldn't be too long or hard to pronounce, unless it fits the personality of the character. (For example Hermione from the Harry Potter-universe. I couldn't pronounce hr name until I saw the movie... )


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PostThu May 20, 2004 5:25 pm    

Thanks for your thoughts, Voy_Girl.

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PostThu May 20, 2004 8:02 pm    

1.) As Voy_Girl said, the name has to fit the character and personality, I suggest googling a baby book or something to fit it.

2.) I'm not really sure what you mean, but just go along with it, but make sure you don't skimmer off into another universe

3.) If you use a pen name its for your own protection, its your choice.

4.) When you start a story write down a few main details, if you have writers block go back and make sure you have all those details in the story, if you do then think of something exciting to happen, like a new plot added on?

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PostThu May 20, 2004 10:02 pm    Re: Questions for experienced writers

Starfleet Dentist wrote:
1.) When choosing names for characters, is there any method to learn which particular names are more likely to appeal to would be readers?

2.) Is there a particular method of making sure you have enough story ideas in your head to last a lifetime?

3.) Should I use a pen name? If so, why?

4.) Are there any techniques for dealing with writers block?


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When I make up names for my characters, I just use whatever feels right. But don't spend ages worrying about it. If you pick a name and then write a few thousand words about that character, you'll get used to that character having that name. A great place to get interesting names is from the end credits of movies. Pick the first name from one person and the last name from another person. As long as they go well together, it's usually a great name. But try not to use very famous people. If you call your character Harrison De Niro, people will figure out what you've done.

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As of right now, you probably don't have enough ideas in your head to last a lifetime. But that's a good thing. You're going to get thousands of great ideas in the future. You'll have plenty of ideas coming and going, so don't worry about that. One thing I do is write down story ideas as they come to me. And they can come at any time, or anywhere. I once saw a newspaper article about a Russian man who had a heart attack. He died because his dog wouldn't let the doctors near him to treat him. That sounds like the beginning of a pretty good story. And it just goes to show that you can get ideas from anywhere.

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As for pen names, it's entirely up to you. I use one, mainly because my real name is virtually unpronouncable. So I just use T K James. So if you see any of my books, please buy them. JK, I'm not quite published yet. Some famous people, like Stephen King, have used pen names when they write out of their usual genre. it helps to hide their identity when they're doing something different.

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Ah, writer's block. The only known cure for writer's cramp. If you have trouble writing, there are a few techniques you can use. One is to get used to writing. Sit at your computer and just write. Doesn't matter what, doesn't matter if it makes sense and don't worry about editing as you go. Just get words down. You'll find that pretty soon you get used to arranging your ideas and you'll be able to let them flow in a nicely coordinated way.

Another technique that I use is to plan your story completely. Write down the basic outline of your plot, and then use that to figure out what scenes you want to include. This part can be made easier by writing each scene on a seperate card, so you can rearrange them easily and find the best way to order them. After that, write an outline for each scene, going into a moderate amount of detail. Then, write a "script" for the scene, focusing on what your characters say and do. You can use this to put the first draft of the scene into your computer and after that you can do your editing. This technique also has the advantages that you know exactly what each scene is meant to be about, and that if you're having trouble with one scene, you can go on and write another scene because you're not making it up as you go.

I hope this has been of some help.



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PostFri May 21, 2004 5:14 pm    

Thank you very much, everyone for your help. Some of the ideas mentioned hadn't crossed my mind.

Thanks again, much appreciated.


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PostSat May 22, 2004 1:45 am    Re: Questions for experienced writers

Starfleet Dentist wrote:

Here's the questions. I know it's a lot to ask but any help would be appreciated from anyone who can.

1.) When choosing names for characters, is there any method to learn which particular names are more likely to appeal to would be readers?

2.) Is there a particular method of making sure you have enough story ideas in your head to last a lifetime?

3.) Should I use a pen name? If so, why?

4.) Are there any techniques for dealing with writers block?

Thank you.


I'm not published yet, but I've been working on my first piece for a couple years now; I guess that's experience. I know you've got quite a few ideas, but I thought I might add just a few...

1. Pronounceable names; names people won't wonder over, like Voy_Girl said--also, it's annoying to have names too close in common. I.E. Raskolnikov and Razmihuin. I had a horrible time dicerning those while trying to read Crime and Punishment. I named two of my characters nearly to the point of identical...bit of a mistake, but I can't rename them now, it's too far grounded. Names that fit, of course, are a given. Names that are indicative of time period are a must...you don't want someone named Turikun born in the 40's.

2. As I see it, not really particularly...just keep thinking. Little things; elaborate on them; making up long, drawn-out stories about pretty much nothing helps--everday stuff. It'll keep the ideas flowing.

3. I don't see any reason to, but if you want to, go for it.

4. I hit blocks every so often, and it's horrid frustrating. There are two techniques that help me. One is finding a friend or some such who will listen, just listen to you talk about what you're writing, and let them comment. Sometimes their comments will turn into ideas, or make you feel more like writing. Another is just taking out a piece of paper and writing on it; 'Do I like this story? Do I want to continue it?' If the answers are both yes, well, ask 'Why am I bored?' When you answer that question, you find out what you either need to change or add to make the story live again. Also, when you sit down to write, get into the action; it'll keep you better entertained.

As to the idea of planning things...well, it does work for some people, but I would warn; not everyone. If I planned my book, I would've given up LOOOOOONG ago. Writing is an adventure for myself, no one else, until it's finished. I DON'T want to know what happens next. However, knowing where you want to end up is a different matter, and one that should be thought about. Whatever works for you, though.

These are just things I've learned from trial and error, and they probably don't go for everybody. But anyway. That's my bit.


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PostMon May 24, 2004 1:09 am    Re: Questions for experienced writers

B'Ellanna_Torrez wrote:
4. I hit blocks every so often, and it's horrid frustrating. There are two techniques that help me. One is finding a friend or some such who will listen, just listen to you talk about what you're writing, and let them comment. Sometimes their comments will turn into ideas, or make you feel more like writing. Another is just taking out a piece of paper and writing on it; 'Do I like this story? Do I want to continue it?' If the answers are both yes, well, ask 'Why am I bored?' When you answer that question, you find out what you either need to change or add to make the story live again. Also, when you sit down to write, get into the action; it'll keep you better entertained.

As to the idea of planning things...well, it does work for some people, but I would warn; not everyone. If I planned my book, I would've given up LOOOOOONG ago. Writing is an adventure for myself, no one else, until it's finished. I DON'T want to know what happens next. However, knowing where you want to end up is a different matter, and one that should be thought about. Whatever works for you, though.

These are just things I've learned from trial and error, and they probably don't go for everybody. But anyway. That's my bit.


They're some great points. Plannign doesn't work for everyone. And even if it does work for you, there's the question of HOW MUCH you plan. You may find that planning every tiny detail is the best way for you. or you may find that having only a general overview is best. Just remember, there is no RIGHT or WRONG when you're writting. Just try the different techniques and when you find something that works for you, stick with it.

And I've gotta agree with you on the talking things out with a friend when you got the block, B'Ellanna_Torrez. When I was writting with a friend, i'd say to him, "Just give me any ideas you've got, no matter how bad you think they are. because you never know - it might lead to the best idea you've ever had!"



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PostMon May 24, 2004 2:10 pm    

Once again, thanks for the advice, folks. I have printed everything off and there have been some GREAT pointers.

Here's hoping I get my children's fiction published one day.


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PostMon May 24, 2004 9:39 pm    

One extra little pointer for consideration, about children's fiction in general. Don't dumb down the language. Children can tell when you are patronizing them, so you can't make it extremely simple. granted they wouldn't get the lastest Michael Crichton novel, but use words that will challenge them occasionally. Never having written anything designed for children, I can't say how relelvant it is, but certainly worth considering. I'd say the best thing to do would be to let a kid read it and watch their reactions. Don't ask, cause they'll just say they loved it, but watch, or ask their parents to watch. if the kid is bored with it, it'll show, just as it will show if they absolutely love the story. But writting for kids is definately NOT easier than writting for adults. As always, though, only experience can tell for sure.


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PostTue May 25, 2004 4:23 pm    

Thanks, Tiberius, good advice there.

From the research I've done, I know how different kids tastes are now. Like anything, people's tastes are constantly changing.

At one time, a lot of kids fiction seemed simplistic. Talking vehicles, haunted houses and the like. Those things may still have a place but as you correctly said, don't dumb down. I guess it's a question of balance.


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PostWed May 26, 2004 2:16 am    

1) there's lots of name generators online. if you just search for "name generators" a bunch will pop up. Fantasy name generators, regular name gerators. I've kidnd of started using those, but not for any serious work. Names I use in main stories come from real names just because... they sound more real. go through a yearbook and pick out first names you like and match them with last names you like. use middle names of you friends. there's the always popular "soap opera" name... that's taking your middle name as the first name and the name of the street you live on as the last name (my friend's name is R. Andrew M. and he lives on Banner, so his soap opera name is Andrew Banner. they always sound kind of British, but they're kind of fun.) Fantasy and sci-fi names can also be found from mixing up the letters from real names.

But remember, Jungians would say that it's the character that picks the writer, not the other way around. Don't try too hard to develop a character, when he or she will develop on his or her own.

2) My story ideas alwas come up in the middle of the night when I'm jsut laying there. IMO, the best thing to do is to take that idea and put it in a file on the computer entitled "ideas". That way you have all your old ideas plus a clean slate for new ones. Let your imagination fly, write from your dreams, watch plently of movies, read plenty of books and try to go on plenty of adventures yourself. That will all help you with a constant flow of ideas. Need help with a certain scene in a story? Act it out yourself while you're home alone, or ask a friend to pretend they're another character so you can get a fresh idea for dialogue... it's a plus if you or your friends are actors... dialogue is always better in a story if it sounds real. it'll sound real if it comes from a real person.

3) If you're writing fanfic that you're posting on the internet, then yeah, use a pen name. People from the internet will remember you better if you have something catchy. If you're thinking about going for the real thing, I would suggest using a real name. but try to decide what mix yof your name sounds best (Samuel Dannon, Sam Dannon, Samuel C.Dannon, S. Caleb Dannon, S.C Dannon, etc)

4) I have never found a cure for writers bock and have gone... nearly a year with it. It stinks, really wanting to write but not being able to get it out. BUt yeah, I still find the best way is to act the scenes out, that way when you actually get to the pen and paper, you know what you want to write, you know exactly what you want your characters to do/ say, etc. Just let it come and like Tiberius says, just keep writing. You'll get out what you want eventually

And just some regular advice, it's the character that makes a true story. To write such a character, the author must know this character as much as the character knows himself, while at the same time knowing the character as much as other interacting characters and more than the character knows himself. So, it's all rather paradoxical, but the main thing is, you as the author must be able to put yourself into any situation or mindset your character is in. It's not about writing someone, it's about being them and showing that you can be any one of your characters. so in a way, writing is a lot like acting. if it all makes sense. you have to be completely open.


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PostWed May 26, 2004 10:04 pm    

That's a great tip, Triam, that last thing you said. I've often found that if you're stuck on what to do with a character, making up a biography, a history for a character can be very helpful. Even if nothing from the biography makes it into your story, the character itself will be more believable because YOU believe it.

Of course, if you're writting an action adventure story, then you can get by very well with characters that have no depth at all, because such a story is not about the characters, it's about the close shaves and all that. Think Indiana Jones. But just remember, no story will suffer if you put characterisation into it. it won't ruin an action/adventure.



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PostFri May 28, 2004 1:17 pm    

I must thank again everyone who has contributed. The advice has been GREAT, and the advice has included stuff I would never have guessed.

I hope I can get published one day. In case you're interested (maybe you're not), my proposed story sees a 48 year old Royal Marines veteran teaming up with a 23 year old college kid to take on a criminal gang in a fictional British city. If that plot has been used before in another story, then I don't know about it. This plot came out of my head.


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PostFri Jun 11, 2004 2:09 pm    

^
Sounds like an intriguing story. One can draw some parallells to "The Bone Collector".


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PostSun Jun 13, 2004 6:27 pm    

Voy_Girl wrote:
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Sounds like an intriguing story. One can draw some parallells to "The Bone Collector".


Are you referring to my story?

I haven't seen The Bone Collector, is it any good? I've heard mixed reviews of it.


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PostWed Jun 16, 2004 1:11 pm    

Starfleet Dentist wrote:
Voy_Girl wrote:
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Sounds like an intriguing story. One can draw some parallells to "The Bone Collector".


Are you referring to my story?

I haven't seen The Bone Collector, is it any good? I've heard mixed reviews of it.


Yes, of course I'm referring to your story, It's your thread, after all.

The Bone Collector was pretty good, I think, but i don't really remember much. It was about a man who couldn't move and had to guide a young woman through the city in the pursuit of a killer, though, and the relationship between them was what I originally referred to.


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PostWed Jun 16, 2004 4:45 pm    

Oh, I see, Voy_Girl. It sounds like a good film.

My story is going well. It's fun to write dialogue between a 48 year old former military man and a naive 23 year old college kid. All the advice given here (for free) has been great!


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PostThu Jun 17, 2004 10:11 am    My Two Cents-Hope It Helps!

Hey SD! I'm not sure if I qualify; but I've been writing for my entire life, and by that I mean stories and poems, so I guess I can warrant advice and call myself "experienced."




1.) When choosing names for characters, is there any method to learn which particular names are more likely to appeal to would be readers?

Not really, just make sure your readers can PRONOUNCE the names. It would be wise, also, if you're going to write a book that is set in the past, to keep names within the continuity of the era and vice versa for futuristic books. Now, for children's fiction, the names just need to be pronounce-able and simplistic. NOTE: If you INSIST on complicated names, please add an index page or some sort of place where there are pronunciations of the names in the story. But be aware: not many people enjoy flip-flopping around in a novel just trying to figure out how to PRONOUNCE the names! Not only does it interrupt the reader's concentration, it's just plain annoying.

2.) Is there a particular method of making sure you have enough story ideas in your head to last a lifetime?

LOL! That's an interesting question...erm...lemme see...as long as you have "imagination", you'll never run out of story ideas. And as long as you are zealous in your literary endeavors, there is nothing that can stop your mind from being creative. I mean, hey! you're a writer and if in the morning, when you wake up and you can't think of anything else BUT writing, then you are destined to be a writer.

3.) Should I use a pen name? If so, why?

Many people believe that pen names "mask" an author from his/her readers, thus hiding away from criticism, rather than facing them and hearing what they have to say or even accepting good advice and/or compliments. I would not condone a pen name, however, sometimes, a pen name helps a writer "get into the story" better, in order to really be able to write a good story, especially if the story is about a space adventure or a fantasy (like LOTR or HP). So really, it's up to you! I use pen names, but for more simplistic books, like Children's literature, I use my real, full name.

4.) Are there any techniques for dealing with writers block?

Contrary to popular belief, writer's block is not a bad thing. Sometimes, it is necessary to step away from the written word and face reality. If, at any time, you begin to "break down" and shut out literature, it is because your mind is asking for a break itself! Writing can be quite stressful, or it can be exciting and "fun". However, if you begin writing every which way constantly, you become that lady on tv, whom many people suspect to be insane BECAUSE of her compulsive writing behavior. So, please, if you develop "Writer's Block", don't panic! Let your mind relax and take a rest from writing-BELIEVE ME, YOU NEED IT! On the other hand, if you're stubborn as hell, close your eyes and let your mind's eye SEE the emptiness. If you can SEE nothing inside your mind, then you'll never write a "good" story again. But if you see something, a spark even, of a story, you are truly a writer, in the flesh and in the soul!

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PostThu Jun 17, 2004 1:17 pm    

Thank you very much for the advice, Solscape. Particularly regarding writer's block, that was an interesting perspective you gave.

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PostFri Jun 18, 2004 12:34 pm    

Hi,

Some books that I found most helpful are:

Telling Lies for Fun and Profit by Lawrence Block
(advice on every topic)

Twenty Master Plots by Ronald B. Tobias
(THE cure for writer's block, and much more)

and Dynamic Characters by Nancy Kress
(includes a whole chapter on names)

All are found here:

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My editing method:

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PostFri Jun 18, 2004 4:55 pm    

Thank you, Spiletta42.

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PostFri Jun 18, 2004 4:59 pm    

writing aint that hard. dont try to force yourself out of writers block it will come to you naturally. as for the names dont worry about pleasin your readers with easy names look at the star wars characters most people can't say most of those names.

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PostFri Jun 18, 2004 6:50 pm    

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Thank you very much for the advice, Solscape. Particularly regarding writer's block, that was an interesting perspective you gave.


No problem! I'm always glad to help out when I can, especially with things like writing. If you ever need any help again, e-mail me or post it here (again lol)

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PostSat Jun 19, 2004 12:02 am    

Spiletta42 wrote:
Hi,

Some books that I found most helpful are:

Telling Lies for Fun and Profit by Lawrence Block
(advice on every topic)

Twenty Master Plots by Ronald B. Tobias
(THE cure for writer's block, and much more)

and Dynamic Characters by Nancy Kress
(includes a whole chapter on names)


That 20 Master Plots book is good. I've got it. There's also a book on writing Sci-Fi and fantasy by Orsen Scott Card (who wrote Ender's game) that is very good. And any books on the subject by David Gerrold will be good as well.



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