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Republican_Man
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Superwoman, if freedom of religion is not in America, then why do we allow Muslims to live & practice freely here when the terrorists that we are fighting now just so happen to be Muslims?
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Captain Dappet
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| Sat Jun 12, 2004 4:42 pm |
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Did Superwoman ever say that freedom of Religion isn't in America? I don't think she did 
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Republican_Man
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| Sat Jun 12, 2004 4:46 pm |
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| Quote: | | Are you saying I can't practise my religion? I don't know how it is in america, but here in sweden it's a law that u have the right to practise your religion |
There, Dappet.
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Captain Dappet
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| Sat Jun 12, 2004 4:48 pm |
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She said that she doesn't know how it is in America. Not that freedom of Religion isnt in America.
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superwoman
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| Sat Jun 12, 2004 4:49 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: |
Okay, that is a bunch of bull. He is NOT your God. I can tell. And you COULD practice your religion...You know, I just knew you hated America too. |
NAHA I'm not kidding. I've just started this new religion, it's a very small religion so far. In fact it's only me... It's called MichelMooreism. We don't do much, just pray to our almighty god, and question the authoritys.
And I don't HATE america... well sometimes i do. But I don't hate the americans... well some of them i do hate... Ok i sense u got my point...
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Republican_Man
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| Sat Jun 12, 2004 4:51 pm |
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Alright, Dappet, have you ever heard someone say "I don't know how it is..." but they DO know. I've done it. So she's in Sweden. If she honestly did not know, then I will take back my statement, okay? I think that's fair. 
((Don't want to get into a fistfight here.  ))
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superwoman
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| Sat Jun 12, 2004 4:57 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | Alright, Dappet, have you ever heard someone say "I don't know how it is..." but they DO know. I've done it. So she's in Sweden. If she honestly did not know, then I will take back my statement, okay? I think that's fair.
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I didn't say that freedom of Religion didn't exist in america. I tought it did, but i wasn't sure...
| Republican_Man wrote: | | Superwoman, if freedom of religion is not in America, then why do we allow Muslims to live & practice freely here when the terrorists that we are fighting now just so happen to be Muslims? |
OMG (that is Michal Moore ) do u hear what you'r saying? All muslims aren't bad! Do u know any muslims personally? I know a few and they are the nicest of people! And they are NOT terorists!!!
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Republican_Man
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| Sat Jun 12, 2004 4:58 pm |
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| superwoman wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | Alright, Dappet, have you ever heard someone say "I don't know how it is..." but they DO know. I've done it. So she's in Sweden. If she honestly did not know, then I will take back my statement, okay? I think that's fair.
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I didn't say that freedom of Religion didn't exist in america. I tought it did, but i wasn't sure... |
Okay, very well then. I am sorry, and yes it is. It was one of the VERY FIRST countries to allow Freedom of Religion, if Im not mistaken.
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superwoman
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| Sat Jun 12, 2004 5:05 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: |
Okay, very well then. I am sorry, and yes it is. It was one of the VERY FIRST countries to allow Freedom of Religion, if Im not mistaken. |
Tell me if i'm wrong... but you don't seem to allow diffrent religions. You judge muslimes diffrent just b/c they are muslimes...
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Republican_Man
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| Sat Jun 12, 2004 5:07 pm |
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| superwoman wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: |
Okay, very well then. I am sorry, and yes it is. It was one of the VERY FIRST countries to allow Freedom of Religion, if Im not mistaken. |
Tell me if i'm wrong... but you don't seem to allow diffrent religions. You judge muslimes diffrent just b/c they are muslimes... |
No, no, no--I was using that as an example.
I have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AGAINST MUSLIMS OR ANY FORM OF RELIGION That was an example to show that since only a FRACTION of a religion opposes & terrorises the US, so if we didn't have religion, why wouldn't some people go after them if we don't have freedom of religion.
I think that it is DESPICABLE that people will judge an entire religion based on a small fraction. I'll sorry for making it seem that way to you...
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superwoman
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| Sat Jun 12, 2004 5:24 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | No, no, no--I was using that as an example.
I have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AGAINST MUSLIMS OR ANY FORM OF RELIGION That was an example to show that since only a FRACTION of a religion opposes & terrorises the US, so if we didn't have religion, why wouldn't some people go after them if we don't have freedom of religion.
I think that it is DESPICABLE that people will judge an entire religion based on a small fraction. I'll sorry for making it seem that way to you... |
PHEW! Coz that's just the worse thing I know! when people judge an entire culture just b/c some are bad!
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| Sat Jun 12, 2004 6:35 pm |
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The guy wants to make a film let him I mean there are films made every year that slanders entire races do we complain? No but when someone makes a film that attacks one person ooh oh no its time to go be the Nazi Police and say hes wrong. I say let him let it get over with and move on.
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Republican_Man
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| Sat Jun 12, 2004 7:44 pm |
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| Jeff Miller wrote: | | The guy wants to make a film let him I mean there are films made every year that slanders entire races do we complain? No but when someone makes a film that attacks one person ooh oh no its time to go be the Nazi Police and say hes wrong. |
Okay, I ALWAYS complain. I go to a movie for kids and see ALL sorts of things and I DO complain about that--now setting kid movies aside, I complain about racial slander etc, but this also hits it BIG.
"Nazi Polic"? Forgive me, but what the hell is that suposed to mean. He IS wrong. He hates America. He hates Bush.
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| Sat Jun 12, 2004 8:05 pm |
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Alright, Time for me to get something out in the open.
If Michael Moore wants to make another movie, He has every right to o it. Since it is HIS movie, He also has every right to say what he want about Anyone and Anything. Remember "Freedom of Speech"
No matter how much complaining you people do the movie will most likely STILL get made and people will STILL go and see it. Even if He just Twists the Facts around.
What he means by Nazi Police is that you want to Censor someone who is doing something that you don't agree with. Ban This, Ban That.
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superwoman
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| Sat Jun 12, 2004 8:20 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: |
Okay, I ALWAYS complain. I go to a movie for kids and see ALL sorts of things and I DO complain about that--now setting kid movies aside, I complain about racial slander etc, but this also hits it BIG.
"Nazi Polic"? Forgive me, but what the hell is that suposed to mean. He IS wrong. He hates America. He hates Bush. |
Is he wrong just b/c he hates america and bush? Haven't u got the right to have an oppinion of your own? And by the way, I don't think he hates america or bush. He just hates what Bush stands for, and that's not the same thing. And if he hated america why stay and why try to change it? I don't hate u or your contry just b/c of your oppinion, but i still can hate your oppinion.... Capisce?
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| Sat Jun 12, 2004 8:37 pm |
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Bush Stands for freesdom is what people don't like him and he wants to protect our Country. Let them have their opinion but you know, how would Michael Moore feel if we say we hate his country and we made a movie about it and bash his leader? Answer that.
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superwoman
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| Sat Jun 12, 2004 8:49 pm |
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| kmma wrote: | | Bush Stands for freesdom is what people don't like him and he wants to protect our Country. Let them have their opinion but you know, how would Michael Moore feel if we say we hate his country and we made a movie about it and bash his leader? Answer that. |
But that's what he is doing... so i think he probably would be ok with it
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Republican_Man
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| Sat Jun 12, 2004 9:18 pm |
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| superwoman wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: |
Okay, I ALWAYS complain. I go to a movie for kids and see ALL sorts of things and I DO complain about that--now setting kid movies aside, I complain about racial slander etc, but this also hits it BIG.
"Nazi Polic"? Forgive me, but what the hell is that suposed to mean. He IS wrong. He hates America. He hates Bush. |
Is he wrong just b/c he hates america and bush? Haven't u got the right to have an oppinion of your own? And by the way, I don't think he hates america or bush. He just hates what Bush stands for, and that's not the same thing. And if he hated america why stay and why try to change it? I don't hate u or your contry just b/c of your oppinion, but i still can hate your oppinion.... Capisce? |
I don't think Michael Moore just disagrees with Bush and hates his opinions--He truly HATES Bush. Look at what he ALWAYS says--look at what his movie is. It's all not just disagreement--it's COMPLETE, UTTER BASHING. He keeps dishing out hate speech.
Yes, he has a right to an and to express his opinion, but NOT to use slander to attack someone and to constantly bash him and if you look at some of the things he says--they're anti-American.
Plus, Bush stands for freedom and liberty and defending our country--key values that most people have, but of course Mr. Moore has to hate them.
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Theresa
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| Sat Jun 12, 2004 10:42 pm |
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| Link, the Hero of Time wrote: | Alright, Time for me to get something out in the open.
If Michael Moore wants to make another movie, He has every right to o it. Since it is HIS movie, He also has every right to say what he want about Anyone and Anything. Remember "Freedom of Speech"
No matter how much complaining you people do the movie will most likely STILL get made and people will STILL go and see it. Even if He just Twists the Facts around.
What he means by Nazi Police is that you want to Censor someone who is doing something that you don't agree with. Ban This, Ban That. |
1. Freedom of speech, discussed on page one, both sides agreed, no longer an issue.
2. Moore isn't well recieved in America. Fact. Do you happen to remember him being booed of the stage at the Oscars/Emmys, (don't remember which).
3. Oh look, it's freedom of speech again. But it disagrees with your freedom of speech. Isn't that wonderful that that's what freedom of speech is?
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| Sun Jun 13, 2004 12:53 am |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | I don't think Michael Moore just disagrees with Bush and hates his opinions--He truly HATES Bush. |
I'm just currious about something its clear that your a .....Bush fan and no offense but it sounds like your the president of his fan club but if Moore said the same stuff about other presidents like Clinton or Carter would you be as quick to defend them as you do Bush? Or would you be two faced and say well thats True good ole Moore is nailing Clinton and Carter to the wall. And Link is right what I meant by Nazi police is that if a person sees something that they don't like they have to take it upon themselfs to make it known. Hell if I was old enough back in the 80's and mother told me no don't go see that Slasher flick it'll ruin you I would still see it. And T is right Moore was booed at the oscars or whatever one it was but they are snobs no offense to all the rich people out there. But keep in mind he was given a award for creativity at the last independent movie makers awards where they cheered his movie does this mean they are all anti Bush? He may disagree with Bush but truely hate Bush? I don't think so to Truely hate someone means that you want to see them dead and no where in any of his movies that I know have I ever heard him say. "Die Bush Die." Or "I Hope Bush dies." ok thats enough I just thought I would reflect on some of the things I been reading.
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| Sun Jun 13, 2004 8:09 am |
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Very well said Jeff
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| Sun Jun 13, 2004 12:56 pm |
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| Theresa wrote: | 1. Freedom of speech, discussed on page one, both sides agreed, no longer an issue.
2. Moore isn't well recieved in America. Fact. Do you happen to remember him being booed of the stage at the Oscars/Emmys, (don't remember which).
3. Oh look, it's freedom of speech again. But it disagrees with your freedom of speech. Isn't that wonderful that that's what freedom of speech is? |
1. Yes, I read all of the first page. But I was putting my thoughts in.
2. He might not be recived well, But That doesn't matter. He'll make movies, and people will go and see them.
3. All I was doing was explaining a concept that Jeff Stated. That's all.
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Theresa
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| Sun Jun 13, 2004 1:07 pm |
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Michael Moore is an ass,
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superwoman
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| Sun Jun 13, 2004 2:49 pm |
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Well... ok sure. whatever 
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| Sun Jun 13, 2004 2:55 pm |
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| superwoman wrote: | | Well... ok sure. whatever |
Yn wir.
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