Mass. Becomes First State to Legalize Gay Unions

Paul Marshall · **Thu May 20, 2004 12:24 pm**

^I think that it had to do with a little bit more than protesting on the streets. Most of them went to the courtsystem (which is way smarter than protesting on the side of the street).

Theresa · **Thu May 20, 2004 12:36 pm**

http://www.papermag.com/guide/paperfag/gay_pride_week/dyke_march/

http://www.glbtq.com/social-sciences/parades_marches.html

http://www.dontamend.com/

http://lists.cu.groogroo.com/mailman/archive/dryerase/2002-July/000017.html

http://www.buttonsofthecause.com/demo.php

http://clca.cqpress.com/rights/hurley.htm

http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=105&sid=1727390

And I suppose the rainbow flag was born in the court systems, too?

Paul Marshall · **Thu May 20, 2004 12:44 pm**

Theresa · **Thu May 20, 2004 12:48 pm**

Not so. Most didn't start in the court systems. And I could have offered hundreds more links, but you surely get the picture... well, perhaps not. The reason that we are guaranteed the right to protest by the constitution is because it IS an effective means of conveying your point, and of getting things changed.
Protests, marches, etc... draw the attention of the media, which then draws the attention of mainstream America, and people who can actually do something about it.

LightningBoy · **Thu May 20, 2004 5:22 pm**

Gay Marriage is a contradiction in terms.

Gay:
Of, relating to, or having a sexual orientation to persons of the same sex.

Marriage:
The legal union of a man and woman as husband and wife.

So, let me ask: How can there be a same sex union of a Man and a Woman? It's silly, therefore legal union is the answer.

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Puck · The Texan Joined: 05 Jan 2004 Posts: 5596

Were you referring to Theresa's or Paul Marshall's post?

Theresa · **Fri May 21, 2004 9:46 am**

He was talking about me. He can either handle the level of conversation in WN, or simply not post in here if he constantly feels "threatened".

Deciviel · **Wed Jun 30, 2004 7:13 pm**

While I can see where some people are coming from, I have a few things I'd like to get off my chest.

First of all, I don't believe being gay is a choice. If God created us and wanted us to procreate, he surely would have made us attracted to the opposite sex. So shouldn't we have instincts to like the opposite sex? So what reason would someone have to choose to be gay? Do you think that many of gay people today want to be gay? Do you think they enjoy the persecution? Do you think they're doing it because it's trendy?

People have also been saying that it's against God's wishes, that he's against homosexuals. Well, what about the people (like me) who really don't believe in God? Are we supposed to be forced to obey a law created by someone who's a certain religion, and who obviously thinks his is the only right one? Bush thinks that he is so high and mighty, that just because he's the president, and he doesn't believe in gay marriages, that the American people (be they Christian or not), should be forced to obey his beliefs. If it's against the Constitution, why not make an amendement making it legal?

Leo Wyatt · **Wed Jun 30, 2004 7:39 pm**

It clearly states in the bible being homosexual is wrong look in Genesis and Romans. God never tending or made people gay, it was there choice.

Link, the Hero of Time · **Wed Jun 30, 2004 8:45 pm**

Decivel makes a good point.

You also have to remember the Seperation of Church and State. Just becasue people believe it's against their religion doesn't make it right for them to force their beliefs on others or ban it because it's what their religion says.

Theresa · **Wed Jun 30, 2004 9:48 pm**

LOL The seperation of Church and State? Marriage began in the church. Go ahead and have your seperation, then.

And btw, church and state may be seperated, but that doesn't change the definitions of morality and immorality.

Leo Wyatt · **Thu Jul 01, 2004 5:19 am**

So link you saying its ok to disobey God's word?

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IntrepidIsMe · **Thu Jul 01, 2004 2:38 pm**

Moral in your opinion, though,

Theresa · **Thu Jul 01, 2004 10:21 pm**

Not really. Morality is morality. It has been defined through the ages. Just because man takes it upon himself to blur those lines, doesn't mean it's still not there.

IntrepidIsMe · **Thu Jul 01, 2004 11:04 pm**

Well, what's moral for one person, isn't necessarily moral for everyone, is what I mean. Take the Iraq situation. Hussein believes that what he was doing in Iraq was correct, and, 41 percent of the population of Iraq actually agreed with him, and his actions, even after he's been caught.

The majority supports him going to trial, obviously (46 percent), however, nearly half of Iraq believes he was a good president. Clearly, most, if not all the US found what Hussein was doing to the Kurds and everyone else in Iraq, atrocious.

Puck · The Texan Joined: 05 Jan 2004 Posts: 5596

IntrepidIsMe · **Fri Jul 02, 2004 3:59 pm**

Basic moral values such as homosexuality not being correct? Just wondering if that applies. Because some religions support gay marriage. Are they not good people?

Just applying what you posted to your origional post about morality (in regard to what I just said).

Puck · The Texan Joined: 05 Jan 2004 Posts: 5596

WeAz · **Fri Jul 02, 2004 6:13 pm**

if it lets Gays be happy then do it. who are we to mess with a large group of peoples happiness and rights