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 Sun May 02, 2004 10:58 am Bush, Arabs Disgusted Over Prisoner Abuse |
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Bush, Arabs Disgusted Over Prisoner Abuse
Sunday, May 02, 2004
CAIRO, Egypt � Images of smiling U.S. military police humiliating Iraqi prisoners appeared in newspapers around the Middle East on Saturday, angering Arabs who accused the United States of only caring about the rights of Americans.
Egypt's Akhbar el-Yom newspaper splashed photographs of the U.S. soldiers posing by naked, hooded inmates on page one with the banner headline "The Scandal." Al-Wafd, an opposition paper, displayed similar photos beneath the headline, "The Shame!"
The scandal broadened Saturday after Britain's Daily Mirror (search) published new photographs of a hooded Iraqi prisoner who reportedly was beaten by British troops.
The newspaper's front-page picture showed a soldier apparently urinating on the prisoner, who was sitting on the floor.
The newspaper quoted unidentified soldiers as saying the unarmed captive had been threatened with execution during eight hours of abuse, and was left bleeding and vomiting. They said the captive was then driven away and dumped from the back of a moving vehicle, and it was not known whether he survived.
Referring to the allegations, British Prime Minister Tony Blair (search) said, "if it happened, it's completely unacceptable."
Also Saturday, the The New Yorker magazine said it had obtained a U.S. Army Report Iraqi detainees were subjected to "sadistic, blatant and wanton criminal abuses" at the Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad.
Those abuses included threats of rape and the pouring of water and liquid from chemical lights on detainees, said the internal report by Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba (search).
Detainees were beaten with a broom handle and one was sodomized with "a chemical light and perhaps a broom stick," the report said, according to the magazine.
The report was based on "detailed witness statements and the discovery of extremely graphic photographic evidence," The New Yorker said in its May 10 issue.
President Bush has condemned the mistreatment shown in the photographs, saying he shared "a deep disgust that those prisoners were treated the way they were treated." He said that is "not the way we do things in America."
Arabs first saw the American photographs on the satellite television stations Al-Arabiya, based in the United Arab Emirates, and Qatar-based Al-Jazeera, which led their news bulletins with them Friday. Most newspapers do not publish on Fridays in the Arab world.
Six U.S. soldiers facing courts-martial in the abuse allegations have been reassigned in Iraq. Their boss, Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski, commander of the 800th Military Police Brigade, and at least seven others have been suspended from their duties at Abu Ghraib, the U.S. military said.
Col. Jill Morgenthaler, a military spokeswoman in Baghdad, said in an e-mail that three of the six soldiers facing courts-martial have completed their Article 32 hearings, the military equivalent of a grand jury proceeding.
In all cases, the adjuticating officer recommended that all charges go forward to general courts martial.
She said that the suspensions of all the officers and soldiers, including Karpinski, are considered temporary. At this point, they have not been permanently relieved of duty.
The Abu Ghraib prison was notorious under Saddam Hussein's rule, and Bush has made a point of taking credit for shutting down the ousted dictator's "torture chambers."
"Shame on America. How can they convince us now that it is the bastion of democracy, freedoms and human rights? Why do we blame our dictators then?" asked Mustafa Saad, who was reading morning papers in a downtown Cairo cafe.
The Iraqi Governing Council should investigate and the nation's Human Rights Ministry should intervene, member Sondul Chapouk said.
"During Saddam's time we rejected such acts and after the liberation we still reject them," Chapouk said.
Fellow council member Dara Nor al-Din, a former judge, said, "We used to criticize Saddam's regime regarding the beating of detained people, so why should we accept to repeat the same tragedy?"
During Saddam's rule, Arab media rarely criticized atrocities reported by world human rights watchdogs. Iraq activists always complained that ignoring the abuses encouraged the Iraqi dictator.
The photographs were first broadcast Wednesday on CBS' "60 Minutes II."
One of them showed a hooded prisoner standing on a box with wires attached to his hands. CBS reported the prisoner was told that if he fell off the box, he would be electrocuted, although the wires were not really connected to a power supply. Other photos, with the genitals blurred, simulated sexual acts.
"They were ugly images. Is this the way the Americans treat prisoners?" asked Ahmad Taher, 24, a student at Baghdad's Mustansiriyah University. "Americans claim that they respect freedom and democracy -- but only in their country."
Hussein al-Saeedi, spokesman for Kuwait's al-Salaf radical Islamic group, said the images "make every sensible person doubt all the principles Western democracies are offering" and show the need for an end to the U.S. occupation.
"America justified its invasion of Iraq by saying the country was under a dictatorship. Unfortunately, Americans are now torturing the Iraqi people in the same place Saddam tortured them," he said.
In Baghdad, U.S. military spokesman Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt said the commander of the Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, detention facility, Maj. Gen. Geoffrey Miller, was being sent to Iraq to take over the coalition detention facilities.
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Ya know, I am kinda upset that the Arabs are so whiny about this......where were the tears when burnt American bodies were being dragged through the streets and hung from a bridge after being ripped apart and stoned.....and where were the tears when civilians were taken hostage and some killed by Extremist???
[EDITED] this is an attack at the middle eastern media......not anyones faith, or beleifs or anything personal, please dont tak it like that.
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I was going to say that's because it's our military, and we expect more of them, and I kind of still will. It was extremists who did that, mutilated, burned, etc... It was our soldiers, people who have sworn an oath to defend our country, and to uphold our constitution, something they clearly did not do. What both did sickens me beyond belief.
I think both sides are justifiably upset. But I don't think that they should let the progress that has been made be derailed by stupidity. (And yes, there has been progress). And I hope everyone is aware that that is not the norm for a soldier. Those sick, depraved individuals deserve everything that's going to happen to them. (And military prison is brutal, nothing like civilian prison.)
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in past wars, some american soldiers collected ears from the people they have killed, being in a war can make you do some *beep* up things.
the whole thing was *beep*, I dont care either way.
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Puck
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| Fri May 07, 2004 10:54 pm |
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You dont care either way??!?!??!?!
you dont care that this took what little relations we had with middle-eastern arab nations and just practically smashed the already broken peices of it?
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do you not care that American soldiers, OUR American soldiers would commit such disgusting acts.
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do you not care that there is obviously something wrong within the administration so that they had this information in January but Bush was only recently notified of the severity of it?
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Tsss, chill. He doesn't care about much. Especially anything to do with his country, remember?
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Don't waste your breath. He is Gary. 
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| Sat May 08, 2004 2:39 pm Re: Bush, Arabs Disgusted Over Prisoner Abuse |
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: |
Ya know, I am kinda upset that the Arabs are so whiny about this......where were the tears when burnt American bodies were being dragged through the streets and hung from a bridge after being ripped apart and stoned.....and where were the tears when civilians were taken hostage and some killed by Extremist???
[EDITED] this is an attack at the middle eastern media......not anyones faith, or beleifs or anything personal, please dont tak it like that. |
Okay, but that's not the high point.
The Question: Why did the AMERICAN media make MUCH less of a big deal about the Falujah incident than this one?
The Anwer: The media is SO Liberal that they attempt to attack the President whenever possible, and this is their chance.
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Actually here in Britian there was a big thing about the bodies being burned. It's not all one sided.
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| Jeremy wrote: | | Actually here in Britian there was a big thing about the bodies being burned. It's not all one sided. |
I didn't say that they didn't make a big deal about it....although it may have seemed like it, but I mean it's more of a big deal about THIS incident than that.
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I don't really understand why they had some kind of "divine right" to kill an American like that. Now, I'm not saying that what the American soldiers did was right, but suicide bombers have walked up to American soldiers, and killled a bunch of them at a time. And how many burning American Humvees, with people throwing rocks at them have we seen.
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THey think they can throw rocks at the soldiers and bomb them, its alright. There only a few soldiers that screwed up when they tortured the Iraqi prisoner and they will be punished. Not all the army, marines, national guard or other are not all like that.
THose military let their fellow soldiers down and let the military and america down. It is not Bush's fault about this war. It is a good cause.
And yes, our troops need to still over there. Yes, it saddens me that charlie will soon be going back in a few months and he has my full support.
I been through him being over there before.
It is sad about war but sometimes war is needed.
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| Quote: | Indeed the hour is coming when those who kill you will think that by doing so they are offering worship to God. And they will do this because they have not known the Father or me."
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| Thu May 13, 2004 12:04 pm |
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| Quote: | Abuse Pictures 'Not Taken in Iraq'
Daily Mirror photographs claiming to show abuse of Iraqi prisoners by British soldiers "were categorically not taken in Iraq'', Armed Forces Minister Adam Ingram told MPs today.
He said that was not only the opinion of the Royal Military Police's Special Investigations Branch but of independent experts.
Mr Ingram, opening a Commons debate on Ministry of Defence personnel matters, said: "The truck in which these pictures were taken was never in Iraq.''
The newspaper has insisted that the Government should provide evidence that the photos were faked.
Shadow foreign secretary Michael Ancram said in a statement released at Westminster: "The publication in the Daily Mirror of photographs which now turn out to have been faked has had consequences of the utmost seriousness for our troops serving in Iraq and for the reputation of the British armed services throughout the world.
"The Press Complaints Commission Code of Practice, to which both [Mirror editor] Piers Morgan and Trinity Mirror adhere, stipulates that editors must 'take care not to publish inaccurate, misleading or distorted material', including pictures.
"Those rules are included in the editor's contract of employment. Now that it is clear that he has breached the PCC Code by publishing photos which it is proved have been distorted, the publisher must decide swiftly what action to take.''
Mr Ingram also defended to MPs his statement last week that he had seen no adverse reports relating to British treatment of Iraqis, even though Amnesty International claimed to have sent him details months before.
Mr Ingram said Amnesty had sent him only a one-page letter which did not amount to a report.
The Armed Forces Minister also told MPs: "It is deeply disturbing that there are those who are prepared to casually vilify our armed forces without establishing the facts.'' |
Basically the story of the Prisoners are true, yet the pictures are supposed to be fake. Does anyone think that it's ok that the paper did this because here most of the public anger is directed at the Daily Mirror?
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Jeremy, the American Photos were found to be real. It's the British Photos that are thought to be fakes.
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Yes, I know. That's why the quote said that it was the pictures of the British solidiers and the ones in the Daily Mirror.
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| Thu May 13, 2004 9:09 pm |
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The news said that an assortment of photos, not just British or Americans, were taken off of several pornographic, which stage these with there pornographers consent. Yes that is rather unsettling, but that is what the news said. However, many photos are true unfortunatly.
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