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Jeff Miller
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 Fri Apr 30, 2004 9:54 am Arab Stations Show Iraqi Prisoner Images |
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Arab Stations Show Iraqi Prisoner Images
By NADIA ABOU EL-MAGD
Associated Press Writer
CAIRO, Egypt (AP) -- Arab television stations led their newscasts Friday with photographs of Iraqi prisoners being humiliated by U.S. military police. One main channel called the pictures evidence of the "immoral practices" of American forces.
The images, including prisoners naked except for hoods covering their heads, documented alleged abuses that have led to charges against six American soldiers. They were first broadcast Wednesday night in the United States on CBS' "60 Minutes II."
The Dubai-based Al-Arabiya and the Qatar-based Al-Jazeera channels blurred the nudity of the prisoners.
The images were potentially inflammatory in an Arab world already angry at the U.S. occupation of Iraq. Arabs consider public nudity as dishonorable.
Prime Minister Tony Blair's office Friday condemned the alleged abuse of Iraqi prisoners, but stressed it did not reflect the conduct of the vast majority of coalition troops.
"This is not representative of the 150,000 soldiers that are in Iraq," Blair's official spokesman said.
Blair's spokesman also confirmed eight cases of alleged mistreatment of Iraqis by British personnel were being investigated by the army's Special Investigations Branch.
"Where allegations are made, they will be investigated by the SIB, and that's what every soldier who wears the British uniform knows," he added.
Al-Jazeera introduced the pictures by saying they showed the "immoral practices" of Iraq's occupation forces. The anchor reported that some of those responsible would face trial and could be discharged from the Army.
Among the images shown by the news channels were a hooded prisoner standing on a box with wires attached to his hands. CBS reported that the prisoner was told that if he fell off the box, he would be electrocuted, although in reality the wires were not connected to a power supply.
Both stations also showed a photograph of a female U.S. soldier standing by a hooded naked prisoner. The soldier is pointing at his genitals, which are blurred out, and grinning at the camera.
The stations also broadcast a picture of several naked men intertwined as if they were engaging in a sex act.
CBS said the images were taken late last year at Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad, where American soldiers were holding hundreds of prisoners captured during the invasion and occupation of Iraq.
In March, the Army announced that six members of the 800th Military Police Brigade faced court-martial for allegedly abusing about 20 prisoners at Abu Ghraib. The charges included dereliction of duty, cruelty and maltreatment, assault and indecent acts with another person.
In addition to those criminal charges, the military has recommended disciplinary action against seven U.S. officers who helped run the prison, including Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski, the commander of the 800th Brigade.
Copyright 2004 Associated Press. All rights reserved.
A U.S. soldier takes a look at the notoriou Abu Ghraib prison, recently renovated by the 94th Engineer Battalion and 130th Engineer Brigade of the U.S. Army, at Abu Ghraib, 20 miles west of Baghdad, Iraq, in this Friday, Aug.1, 2003 file photo. Images were shown on America's CBS television programme " 60 Minutes II " on Wednesday April 28 , 2004 which allegedly showed abuse of Iraqi prisoners by U.S. military police at the Abu Ghraib prison late last year. (AP Photo/Manish Swarup)
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Well if Iraqi's didn't have a good reason to hate us now they have one... tell me once more how are we helping them if our people are doing this?
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Leo Wyatt
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| Fri Apr 30, 2004 10:02 am |
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First thing those soldiers who did that to the prisoners are going to be punished. The army is ashamed of what the soldiers done. THose soldiers let their fellow soldiers down in a major way. We are there to help not to hurt. But those soldiers are immature, must not have a good command structural. If they did I gurrantee they wouldn't have done it.
Yes, I am mad at those soldiers, I think they should be court marshalled and put in prison. But those only few bad soldiers. Not all military is bad. Just a few immature ones.
I am sure that all military stands for loyalty and truth which those soldiers broke.
Does not mean, all military are like that. I am sure their fellow soldiers is really disappointed in them and ashamed of them. For making the military look bad.
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Kyre
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| Fri Apr 30, 2004 12:19 pm |
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Just incase some people haven't seen them:
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Puck
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| Fri Apr 30, 2004 5:12 pm |
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Thats disgusting, I hope those soldiers are sent to prison.
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| Fri Apr 30, 2004 5:33 pm |
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| kmma wrote: | First thing those soldiers who did that to the prisoners are going to be punished. The army is ashamed of what the soldiers done. THose soldiers let their fellow soldiers down in a major way. We are there to help not to hurt. But those soldiers are immature, must not have a good command structural. If they did I gurrantee they wouldn't have done it.
Yes, I am mad at those soldiers, I think they should be court marshalled and put in prison. But those only few bad soldiers. Not all military is bad. Just a few immature ones.
I am sure that all military stands for loyalty and truth which those soldiers broke.
Does not mean, all military are like that. I am sure their fellow soldiers is really disappointed in them and ashamed of them. For making the military look bad. |
Oh my God!!! I am in COMPLETE AGREEMENT! Throw them for life in Prison, but it is only a FEW soldiers that do that...They are IDIOTS...
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| Fri Apr 30, 2004 5:36 pm |
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This sickens me.
What these soldiers have done now can(possibly WILL) effect the relation against America in the Arab world negatively.
Even though it is only a few soldiers that commited this atrocity, and we know this, people over there may not view it that way.
Imagine your own reaction if it was the other way around.
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Apr 30, 2004 5:47 pm |
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| Captain Dappet wrote: | This sickens me.
What these soldiers have done now can(possibly WILL) effect the relation against America in the Arab world negatively.
Even though it is only a few soldiers that commited this atrocity, and we know this, people over there may not view it that way.
Imagine your own reaction if it was the other way around. |
I know, and it is SICKENINGLY unfortunate...
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Captain Dappet
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| Fri Apr 30, 2004 5:50 pm |
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Oh my gosh!!!  I just agreed with a Republican! 
Regarding what punishment these soldiers should recieve...Prison, without a doubt. Perhaps for life. It is difficult to say this early.
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LightningBoy
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| Fri Apr 30, 2004 6:44 pm |
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The worst thing about this is the repuatation they're painting for every other brave soldier over there.
Lock 'em up!
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Link, the Hero of Time
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| Fri Apr 30, 2004 11:52 pm |
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... That is just....
I cant seem to find words on how to describe how disgusted I am.
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Theresa
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| Sat May 01, 2004 12:04 am |
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Yeah, same here. Bastards.
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| Sat May 01, 2004 1:54 am |
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It must be real hard for the parents of these soldiers. They think their son or daughter is doing his or her job and fighting for their country, but in fact, they turn out to be no better than the enemy.
Another comment, I've heard that these pictures where taken last year. Why are they only out now?
I've also heard on the news over here in Belgium that the average American doesn't know about this, it's not even on the news.
In the land of the free, at times, there's no freedom at all... I don't get it.
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Theresa
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| Sat May 01, 2004 10:02 am |
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Perhaps that is why they referred to it as "breaking" news. And if you honestly don't think that the media will sit on a story until a time they find "convenient", you're sorely mistaken.
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| Sat May 01, 2004 10:48 am |
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| Theresa wrote: | | Perhaps that is why they referred to it as "breaking" news. And if you honestly don't think that the media will sit on a story until a time they find "convenient", you're sorely mistaken. |
Of course, I always may be mistaken but correct me if I'm wrong. Doesn't the media have an obligation to show the poeple of things like this. I agree, in some very specific situations it's better to hold back some info for some time, but in this case, I don't see why the US media held it back.
Now the British are doing the same...
| Quote: | A HOODED Iraqi captive is beaten by British soldiers before being thrown from a moving truck and left to die.
The prisoner, aged 18-20, begged for mercy as he was battered with rifle butts and batons in the head and groin, was kicked, stamped and urinated on, and had a gun barrel forced into his mouth.
After an EIGHT-HOUR ordeal, he was left barely conscious and close to death. Bleeding and vomiting and with a broken jaw and missing teeth, he was driven from a Basra camp and hurled off the truck. No one knows if he lived or died.
URINATED ON: A British soldier urinates on an Iraqi prisoner in a vile display of abuse. The captive was beaten and hurled from a moving truck. Army chiefs are investigating. |
I've seen pictures on the net of this last 'incident'. However, I didn't post it here as it may offend some people.
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| Sat May 01, 2004 10:54 am |
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Politics. Which US Presidential Candidate are these photo's going to harm?
That is why I abhor politics, yet find them fascinating. And that is why I like GWB. He's party oriented, at times, but he's also one of the least political Presidents we've ever had.
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I had to look up the word "abhor". Sorry... 
ab'hor to look on with horror, to hate
| Theresa wrote: | Politics. Which US Presidential Candidate are these photo's going to harm?
That is why I abhor politics, yet find them fascinating. And that is why I like GWB. He's party oriented, at times, but he's also one of the least political Presidents we've ever had. |
Yeah, I think I understand why the media didn't show the pictures but it's not right. This looks like the Bush administration is controling the media, which implies an atack on democracy...
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| Sat May 01, 2004 11:07 am |
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To be honest, the US media is very "anti-Bush". Those photo's will benefit Kerry in that he can say Bush really doesn't have control of the military, etc...
I think the propoganda is stupid. Facts always have, and always will, speak for themselves.
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| Sat May 01, 2004 11:13 am |
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That may be true but I strongly believe that the media should report facts to the people. That's their primary obligation. Just the facts.
What happens with those facts or how it will be used in politics, well, that's up to the poeple to decide and they may believe (or not believe) whatever they want.
Clearly this is not the case... which is a pitty...
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| Sat May 01, 2004 11:55 am |
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The media is there own independent enterprise, and they have the right to report in whatever manner they feel they want to, whether it be biased or not. Yes the propaganda is stupid, and this isn't necessarily what we think should be done, but they have the right to report what they want. Since there is so much bias, the people should not beleive everything that comes out of the mouths of the people on CNN, MSNBC, or FOX. It is also the peoples responsibility to get the facts for themselves, not just take everything that is thrown at them.
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| Sat May 01, 2004 1:34 pm |
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | The media is there own independent enterprise, and they have the right to report in whatever manner they feel they want to, whether it be biased or not. Yes the propaganda is stupid, and this isn't necessarily what we think should be done, but they have the right to report what they want. Since there is so much bias, the people should not beleive everything that comes out of the mouths of the people on CNN, MSNBC, or FOX. It is also the peoples responsibility to get the facts for themselves, not just take everything that is thrown at them. |
Exactly. However, FOX is the only network that I do trust...I think that they are *trustworthy,* that is to say, as *trustworthy* as the media can be.
This will unfortunately benefit Kerry, because the media spins ALL DAY AND ALL NIGHT.
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| Sat May 01, 2004 1:41 pm |
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All media is untrustworthy, especially during times of war. All they use is Selective information to push the feelings of people one way or the other.
And the media just doesn't spin stories about just one candidate RM, Kerry has been constantly bashed by the media as much as Bush.
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| Sat May 01, 2004 1:52 pm |
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^Since when? I've seen it a few times on FOX, I'll give you that, but otherwise...Could it have been during the primaries? In that case, they would have already chosen a candidate....
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I have to agree with Link, Media is always untrustworthy. I don't believe a word of the news on Tv. Cause they are lying through their teeth most of them. Thats why when my husband was in Iraq fighting in the war, I would not watch the news, my church had a family support group and they get information from base. I knew the news was a bunch of liars.
I don't go for it. Usually if I do watch the news, I will ask Charles if it is true or not. I have trust issues I admit.
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Jeremy
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| Mon May 03, 2004 6:48 am |
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^ The problem with that is that it wold be selective. He will only say what he sees. It sounds as if the place where he is stationed is quite good. Unfortunaly other areas aren't so good. These are the ones the media will pick up on though mostly, so I would believe them, but not that it is the only thing happening.
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| Mon May 03, 2004 7:23 am |
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| Link, the Hero of Time wrote: | All media is untrustworthy, especially during times of war. All they use is Selective information to push the feelings of people one way or the other.
And the media just doesn't spin stories about just one candidate RM, Kerry has been constantly bashed by the media as much as Bush. |
Pffffft no. They just have run out of stuff to say about him, like "Kerry criticizes Bush's foreign policy.......". And he doesn't really provide any solution, so what I am hering on the news more, is stuff like "Bush leading in polls because voters unsure on what Kerry's actual plan is.."
But that just what I here when I turn on the news sometimes.....there is plenty of Bushwhacking though too.
Of course the media is still untrustworthy....either way you see them spinning it.
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